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Tyron has looked really bad in his last few UFC fights. He is a shell of his former self. (though looking back at his last four losses, they're all very solid opponents) I'm glad he's getting a big payday for this, but don't expect him to stand a chance against Jake. He also fought at welterweight his entire career. Jake is coming in way heavier and larger. I think this is a good choice of opponent if you're Jake's management team, because Tyron was once a UFC champion. Jake wins against this guy, and maybe some of the haters will shut up, haha.
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Beating a "name", a greatly diminished fighter, is still a step up, and I'm interested to see what happens. He really might be serious enough about boxing to keep working his way up like this; we might actually get a sloppy but earnest fight against a club fighter level boxer at some point. Hell, I bet Roy Jones'll fight him!
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Mr. F! posted:Tyron has looked really bad in his last few UFC fights. He is a shell of his former self. (though looking back at his last four losses, they're all very solid opponents) I'm glad he's getting a big payday for this, but don't expect him to stand a chance against Jake. He also fought at welterweight his entire career. Jake is coming in way heavier and larger. Tyron wasn't an especially big 170lber, but he was for sure cutting, so I'd see him at least 185 walking weight in a prime training camp. The weight / muscle difference is likely small. Reach is still a huge factor, though. In his last fight, Tyron looked more comfortable and effective striking than Askren ever has, though very little of it will translate to boxing. quote:I think this is a good choice of opponent if you're Jake's management team, because Tyron was once a UFC champion. Jake wins against this guy, and maybe some of the haters will shut up, haha. I agree, it's extremely smart matchmaking and capitalizing best on wherever this freakshow career is going.
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Jun 2, 2021 14:51
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I want Jake Paul-Robbie Lawler
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I don't want to fill the thread with *too* much mma shitposting, butsportsgenius86 posted:I want Jake Paul-Robbie Lawler why do you want to see robbie lawler die
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Jun 2, 2021 15:34
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If you were actually trying to build him up as a fighter, wouldn't the next opponent be someone with absolutely no punch but a decent defense, so you get several rounds of setting him up and working at his defenses, playing with feints, etc? Like some club fighter with a losing record and known noodle arms but he shells up good, has a chin, doesn't panic, and will tacitly agree to get beat on for 6 rounds?
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Jun 2, 2021 15:40
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If the gas is, by our default assumptions, suspect, then you don't want the fighter you're trying to build up look weaker and weaker against the defensive wall.
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That's a good point; I was thinking of something Angelo Dundee said once, that you want to expose your fighter to different, and increasingly challenging, match ups, but always slowly enough that they still pull off a win while growing. Hell, maybe "experienced MMA fighter who will willingly trade but can't box and is shot generally" is that.
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Jun 2, 2021 15:52
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kimbo305 posted:Am I crazy to think that a pretty raw fighter is gonna have way worse gas? Woodley went on a show called "The Titan Games" and was put up against a high school teacher in an obstacle course, and he got completely obliterated because he gassed so hard after the first couple of obstacles that he could barely stand up.
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Jun 2, 2021 16:30
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TastyAvocado posted:Woodley went on a show called "The Titan Games" and was put up against a high school teacher in an obstacle course, and he got completely obliterated because he gassed so hard after the first couple of obstacles that he could barely stand up. Yeah, he completely flubbed that different sport with somewhat fitness requirments. Not enough time to really tell in the one round loss to Luque, but he looked about as good as he normally does, which is much better than on Titan Games.
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Jun 2, 2021 16:56
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kimbo305 posted:Yeah, he completely flubbed that different sport with somewhat fitness requirments. So like... mma to boxing?
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Jun 2, 2021 17:09
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TastyAvocado posted:So like... mma to boxing? I think just punching is closer than flipping giant cubes uphill. To what %, I can't say.
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TastyAvocado posted:Woodley went on a show called "The Titan Games" and was put up against a high school teacher in an obstacle course, and he got completely obliterated because he gassed so hard after the first couple of obstacles that he could barely stand up. In his defense it was immediately obvious that Woodley had never seen any of the obstacles before and the teacher seemed very familiar with them, also: His website posted:I am currently a high school basketball coach, assistant baseball coach, slow-pitch softball player, amateur powerlifter, and full-time outdoorsman. So maybe not quite just "a high school teacher" 
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Jun 2, 2021 17:20
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It's like saying the terrorists in Under Siege lost to a cook. The dude was jacked as gently caress and looked juicier than the person hosting the show (the rock)
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Jun 2, 2021 17:28
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Fpr those who haven't seen it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubAynWMcimg
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That teacher is extremely good at that. Does the Rock ever join in? Joe Frasier went on a show like this back in the day and could barely bench anything because he'd never done any serious weight lifting, even in his book on boxing his attitude was "my son does that and if it makes you stronger go for it, but I get stronger at boxing by boxing".
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Jun 2, 2021 18:33
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That teacher has some sort of corn fed generic freak thing going on. County strong I guess.
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Jun 3, 2021 01:24
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TastyAvocado posted:Woodley went on a show called "The Titan Games" and was put up against a high school teacher in an obstacle course, and he got completely obliterated because he gassed so hard after the first couple of obstacles that he could barely stand up. He got beat by what looked like a cross-fit devotee who was obviously very familiar with the course. And he wasn't miles behind at the end. No shame in that.
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i'm trying to figure out where obstacle course running fits into the equation of whether or not a man can beat jake paul in a fight to truly reckon with the power of mmath
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Marching Powder posted:it's perfectly possible ben askren had no answer for the sloppiest, slowest, most telegraphed right hand thrown in a boxing ring that was watched by more than a hundred people, but i think we might have seen evidence of this at some point prior to losing to jake paul... Your honour, I'd like to introduce exibit A, Ben Askren's MMA career. He never unlearned his stand up wrestling habits and never developed footwork or head movement. He was also shot to pieces when he faced the younger, stronger fighter with a longer reach. Occam's razor and all that. kimbo305 posted:Am I crazy to think that a pretty raw fighter is gonna have way worse gas? Well, no, not generally. Tensing up and not having the experience to pace yourself does tend to affect the more inexperienced fighters. However, Paul seems to thrive in the spotlight and so I don't think he'll be as tense as other fighters with only 3 pro fights might be. He's also appears to have been training pretty seriously and boxing focused for the last 3-4 years. Woodley packs a poo poo ton of muscle on his frame and muscles need oxygen. He has been known to struggle with his cardio in the past, though in his prime (and still, really) obviously had much, much better striking and power than Askren. I really have no idea how this fight is going to turn out.
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Jun 3, 2021 05:26
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Throwing embarrassing one twos while highly loose and unaffected by the spotlight unlike an mma prodigy who is too stiff and bad to avoid a telegraphed overhand. Levels to this poo poo.
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Marching Powder posted:Throwing embarrassing one twos while highly loose and unaffected by the spotlight unlike an mma prodigy who is too stiff and bad to avoid a telegraphed overhand. Levels to this poo poo. Of all the hills to die on, I think defending the striking acumen of "K1" Ben, The Terror of Lumpini and the slickest boxer this side of Willie Pep might be the most bizarre I've ever seen.
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Got one year of boxing experience? Sure, go ahead and cream our mma contender.
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Maybe a guy who has boxed for a year isn't quite on the level of an mma champion? Absurd hill to die on.
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Freudian slippers posted:However, Paul seems to thrive in the spotlight and so I don't think he'll be as tense as other fighters with only 3 pro fights might be. He's also appears to have been training pretty seriously and boxing focused for the last 3-4 years. His fights have been really short to make anything or e about his gas. I don't follow him in any form -- does he regularly show his training camps or boxing workouts?
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Marching Powder posted:Maybe a guy who has boxed for a year isn't quite on the level of an mma champion? Absurd hill to die on. Lets bet 10 bucks on it, i'll take jake
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Mr. F! posted:Lets bet 10 bucks on it, i'll take jake Lol good understanding of my position. Marching Powder posted:hello tyron 'tons of prospects' woodley, it would be extremely profitable for us if jake beats you. i'll just put this extra million here and turn around
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also i can get woodley at +253 at any bookies so why i'd take a +200 bet with a goon is a goddamn mystery
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Marching Powder posted:also i can get woodley at +253 at any bookies so why i'd take a +200 bet with a goon is a goddamn mystery Cause betting is fun
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Mr. F! posted:Lets bet 10 bucks on it, i'll take jake lol way to miss the point about a dude that went down smiling about the bag he was getting
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:lol way to miss the point about a dude that went down smiling about the bag he was getting It’s hilarious you guys think that fight was fixed, or that it even needed to be.
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A hobbyist beating a person with an entire career at the highest level and literally thousands of times more strictly boxing rounds done in training may have been a fixed fight? You're only embarrassing yourselves here.
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Marching Powder posted:A hobbyist beating a person with an entire career at the highest level and literally thousands of times more strictly boxing rounds done in training may have been a fixed fight? You're only embarrassing yourselves here. We're talking about Benjamin Askren here
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Marching Powder posted:boxing
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what does boxing training have to do with ben askren
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Declan MacManus posted:what does boxing training have to do with ben askren He’s like a useful fixed point of zero to measure everyone else against.
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Jean Pascal has now failed tests for 4 different drugs: epitrenbolone, drostanolone, and drostanolone metabolite A, and now EPO. He claimed that he was not aware of taking any of the drugs and blamed it on one of his coaches, but EPO needs to be administered via syringe, so obviously Pascal knew what was up. Pascal's 38 years old, will be 39 years old later this year. Have to imagine this is the end of the road for his career.
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Mr. F! posted:We're talking about Benjamin Askren here I think we all agree that Askren sucks but on the other hand, Jake Paul.
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Cigar Aficionado posted:Jean Pascal has now failed tests for 4 different drugs: epitrenbolone, drostanolone, and drostanolone metabolite A, and now EPO. He claimed that he was not aware of taking any of the drugs and blamed it on one of his coaches, but EPO needs to be administered via syringe, so obviously Pascal knew what was up. That was his super vitamin shot all organic
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