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Xander77 posted:I've read the article. When the game was made, neither the character nor the creator were trans. Retrospectively, the creator feels as though these things actually represent a trans identity crisis. You don’t suddenly become a trans person the moment you decide to transition. At the time that the creator was going through an identity crisis, they were already dysphoric and in the process of writing it realized the underlying issue was gender identity. In much the same was as somebody receiving a diagnosis of an anxiety m might look back on their life and realize all the ways it colored their behavior that only became apparent with hindsight and context. It was the case all along even if they didn’t have the appropriate vocabulary at the time. Also the Dumbledore is gay tidbit is dumb poo poo from the same author who added the post hoc detail that wizards just poo poo their pants all the time.
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The literature nerd in me really wants to play Celeste now, thanks thread! I love that authorial intent and death of the author are coming up when talking about a platformer  Tiramisu posted:the post hoc detail that wizards just poo poo their pants all the time. This is canon and you can't convince me otherwise 
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It’s my understanding that you don’t randomly become trans, it’s more a journey of discovery that retroactively explains a lot, as you can now explain why things weren’t right before. Which is part of what makes the Matrix fascinating as I think it captures the pre-realization stage well? So Celeste doing something similar and the creator being comfortable enough to talk about it is cool. *I am cis.
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Orv posted:… a trans character for whom being trans is not part of who they are but the entirety of their character. The struggle and the suffering of being trans defines them, rather than simply being meaningful information or something they're going through. Isn’t that LITERALLY what Celeste is? A character where their entire story is their struggle. Why is Celeste good representation but trans struggles in other games are bad?
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Tiramisu posted:dumb poo poo from the same author who added the post hoc detail that wizards just poo poo their pants all the time. Do I... want to know what this is about? I probably shouldn't because while I loved Harry Potter at the time of release, I continue to hear the author just keeps trying to ruin her creation on every given chance in the years since, so ignoring it is the healthy thing to do. But at the same time I'm morbidly curious on how dumb this is really going. Nevermind, found it. It is as stupidly dumb as I could ever hope. Saoshyant fucked around with this message at 11:31 on Jun 3, 2021 |
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Saoshyant posted:Do I... want to know what this is about? I probably shouldn't because while I loved Harry Potter at the time of release, I continue to hear the author just keeps trying to ruin her creation on every given chance in the years since, so ignoring it is the healthy thing to do. But at the same time I'm morbidly curious on how dumb this is really going. quote:On Friday, J.K. Rowling’s Pottermore, the official online companion compendium for all things Harry Potter, revealed another surprising tidbit that threw fans for a Qudditch loop. “Hogwarts didn’t always have bathrooms,” the tweet in question reads. “Before adopting Muggle plumbing methods in the eighteenth century, witches and wizards simply relieved themselves wherever they stood, and vanished the evidence.”
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ymgve posted:Isn’t that LITERALLY what Celeste is? A character where their entire story is their struggle. Why is Celeste good representation but trans struggles in other games are bad? Because it's made by someone who is trans, and as such it draws from her personal struggles over a long period of time. The same thing goes for other forms of media made by people with a personal stake and experience of struggle. The bad kind of representation often falls victim to various tropes which display a superficial part or a misrepresentation of the lived experience, whether it be making the character in question into a martyr, infantilizing then, turning the whole experience into torture porn, weird idealization or fetishization or all the myriad reasons that can make a player, viewer or reader who belongs to the subgroup in question look at the character and say "this does not represent me, and furthermore it underlines negative stereotypes about my identity". Also, I know it's the elephant in the room, but Rowling's transphobia makes the comparison especially abhorrent (not directed at you ymgve).
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So I didn't want to say anything, but the twisted mirror world statement and that article hit me so I went ahead and looked up the "All Cutscenes + All Dialogue" cut of Celeste, because I don't play platformers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIXqmjYF4F4 I can't say whether this is the author's intent or not, but this is really relates to me and my Trans experience, the hosed up mirror world, the constant fighting with yourself about who you are or are not meant to be. The way she's seperated from her family, and there's the way she accepts that "evil" part of herself and becomes stronger for it. I think that the people who are saying that this is like Harry Potter, or a story about Trans Struggle, are not really understanding the concepts being shown to them, or are willfully ignoring it. It's not the trans struggle, in the sense of "I am trans and everyday is a walking horror show of abuse and fear. Someday someone will erase my life, and there is little to nothing I can do about it" It's the struggle of, "Who am I? Who am I meant to be? Is accepting this part of myself, that will make my life harder a bad thing? Especially if it makes me happy? It's not retroactive authorialship in the sense "Oh yeah Dumbledore was gay, lol. Also at one point he was gonna diddle harry. Also his brother hosed goats" I don't know why people forget about that part, though it's been scrubbed from the internet It's "Look at all of these moments, themes, and story beats that match what you've experienced, what you're going through in a way that's respectful." The difference here is that one is quite clearly a story about someone coming to grips with a huge part of themselves, that they feel is actively trying to hurt them and make their lives worse. It's done in a way that's respectful and indicative of those experiences, without over riding them. It's very relatable to a trans experience, but it could be relatable to a mental health issue, or coming out as gay, or a million other things. The fact that the author comes out as trans after the fact, re-contextualizes the work. There's also something to be considered, which is the #OwnVoices movement, that stories about the marginalized, (race, gender, sexual preference, w/e) should come from people within that movement. Those who are experiencing those things are out there and need to have their stories heard. JK Rowling, will never have the clout to sell that Dumbledore was always intended to be gay, nothing in the text supports it, and JK Rowling is a reactionary TERF whose series is racist, homophobic, and worse. It's not just JK Rowling saying Dumbledore is gay, it's that it's quite clearly never intended that way, and makes no sense in the supporting text or her personal politics. In Celeste, I can with a quick google search find tons of people asking what it's about, is it about being gay, is it about being depressed, is it about being trans, and the author saying "It's about my own struggle with my identity," which at the time she only understood as mental health issues. The thing about gender dysphoria is that it can be the cause of a lot of mental health issues. If I tell you my story is about depression, and then I find out being a woman is what made me no longer depressed, then in no uncertain terms that story is also about me wanting to be a woman. Not in spite of what I said, but because of it.
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I was thinking more about The Last Of Us 2, which seemed fine in its representation but then again I’m cis
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Xander77 posted:I've read the article. When the game was made, neither the character nor the creator were trans. Retrospectively, the creator feels as though these things actually represent a trans identity crisis. Are you scripting a game where someone suddenly realises they're being a huge dumbass, or Also gently caress you for comparing Celeste to that loving terf monstrosity
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Xander77 posted:I've read the article. When the game was made, neither the character nor the creator were trans. Retrospectively, the creator feels as though these things actually represent a trans identity crisis. I don't think you intentionally did this, but this is horrifically offensive.
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Yeah Celeste is literally about a journey of self discovery, literally based on the dev’s, and they came to their conclusion after making the game. Bad analogy, but if I was making a game about solving a mathematical equation, haven’t solved it by the end of development, the answer remains the same no matter when I find the answer, and it would apply to the game’s characters too. Celeste is a kinda perfect example of a good trans narrative. Also the dumbass who said AAA studios are undermanned and that’s why they crunch? gently caress right off. They’re mismanaged working on overscoped projects, and management wants to extract as much labour as possible before the far too soon date set by publishers. They absolutely do have the spending power to hire literally anybody they want. Even the relatively smaller Kojima Productions could get an all star cast of actors, which is far more expensive than the costs typically incurred by the bigger guys like Ubisoft. Star Citizen literally hired a linguist to create an alien language. One sit down with a trans person is far cheaper, and hiring one in a QA test capacity ought to be extremely simple.
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kirbysuperstar posted:Are you scripting a game where someone suddenly realises they're being a huge dumbass, or Boba Pearl posted:I don't think you intentionally did this, but this is horrifically offensive.
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Ah sorry, I thought you were saying that yourself, or agreeing with that sentiment.
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Xander77 posted:I've read the article. When the game was made, neither the character nor the creator were trans. Retrospectively, the creator feels as though these things actually represent a trans identity crisis. If you read the article and this is still how you feel, you loving suck poo poo dude.
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Mr Snips posted:I've finally got round to playing CrossCode after having it in my steam library for god knows how long.
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Boba Pearl posted:So I didn't want to say anything, but the twisted mirror world statement and that article hit me so I went ahead and looked up the "All Cutscenes + All Dialogue" cut of Celeste, because I don't play platformers. This is a really good post
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how healthy is the online community for soul calibur 6? it's very cheap rn and i've played so much tekken already.
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This is some genuinely good discourse and all, not to derail that but I had a video games moment I wanted to share. Does anyone remember FortressCraft Evolved? I think it was made as a successor to the original FortressCraft on XBLA, once the 360 became old hat. I know nothing about the original, but Evolved is an ambitious hot mess of a game that plays like a mashup of Factorio and Minecraft, with some of the most questionable design decisions I've ever seen. The UI is utterly repulsive, just beyond the pale to the point of being borderline unusable. The tech trees and machine functions are set up to bust your balls as much as possible, and every update patch the game had made it even moreso, neutering everything's usefulness to the absolute bare minimum. Somewhere along the line the old neverending arctic tundra theme of the surface landscape was completely replaced with a tropical alien jungle that forgot what the gently caress a saturation slider is and is a constant assault on the eyes, while also introducing creeper vines that entangle and damage your surface constructions, leading to yet more "fun" obstacles to micromanage. Then there was a deep-underground Frozen Factory DLC expansion that was worked on for a while until people stopped buying it and the updates subsequently unceremoniously ground to a halt. A total of 22 major updates to the base game, according to its Steam page anyway. I bring this up because I just now discovered FortressCraft: Chapter 1 which is apparently a new port of the 360 original that introduces the 11th content update. So... we've picked up where it was left off before Evolved even existed. Which has me wondering, if it's technically older than Evolved, is it a version of the game without all the lovely unfun balance changes? But now there's also the blurb at the end of the description that says "download this and support development of FortressCraft: Phoenix!" and oh god what the gently caress how many versions of this stupid game are there and how much of a grift is this going to end up being 
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Slipways is out today. I know it bills itself as a 4x in 30 minutes but really it's more of a fun puzzle game of resource management. You connect planets to each other via trade routes that cannot cross. Each planet requires certain certain resources to output other resources. At first a planet may only require one resource to output but after that is met and the planet is also successfully exporting resources it will level up. Your goal is to level up as many planets as you can to their max level in a fixed number of turns. Eventually you will able to to create wild card resources and warp gates that let you break the rules of the game which add even more wrinkles into the puzzle. It reminds me a lot of a solo board game. I found that games typically lasted closer to an hour but you can pause and quit or to resume st any time. I played 3 or 4 hours of the demo and I really enjoyed it. It's great for playing while you're watching something else or listening to a podcast.
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MonkeyforaHead posted:I bring this up because I just now discovered FortressCraft: Chapter 1 which is apparently a new port of the 360 original that introduces the 11th content update. So... we've picked up where it was left off before Evolved even existed. Which has me wondering, if it's technically older than Evolved, is it a version of the game without all the lovely unfun balance changes? But now there's also the blurb at the end of the description that says "download this and support development of FortressCraft: Phoenix!" and oh god what the gently caress how many versions of this stupid game are there and how much of a grift is this going to end up being Hey, it worked for WoW Classic. There's (probably) people out there with fond memories of FortressCraft that (somehow) never played Minecraft.
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Boba Pearl posted:So I didn't want to say anything, but the twisted mirror world statement and that article hit me so I went ahead and looked up the "All Cutscenes + All Dialogue" cut of Celeste, because I don't play platformers. Well I want to thank you for saying something. I consider myself to be an empathetic and open-minded person, but it's easy to be complacent without thoughtful responses like this helping me further understand things I may easily overlook. I appreciate you sharing.
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Rowling's a shitshow, but the "Dumbledore is gay" thing might not be as out of the blue as is commonly believed. I've heard that Dumbledore actually does match a particular gay stereotype which was common in the mid-20th century English literature that JK Rowling was exposed to growing up. It's not at all obvious to younger or American readers, but it is to the people who have those cultural references.
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municipal shrimp posted:Slipways is out today. I know it bills itself as a 4x in 30 minutes but really it's more of a fun puzzle game of resource management. You connect planets to each other via trade routes that cannot cross. Each planet requires certain certain resources to output other resources. At first a planet may only require one resource to output but after that is met and the planet is also successfully exporting resources it will level up. Your goal is to level up as many planets as you can to their max level in a fixed number of turns. Eventually you will able to to create wild card resources and warp gates that let you break the rules of the game which add even more wrinkles into the puzzle. It reminds me a lot of a solo board game. I found that games typically lasted closer to an hour but you can pause and quit or to resume st any time. I played 3 or 4 hours of the demo and I really enjoyed it. It's great for playing while you're watching something else or listening to a podcast. I tried the demo when it was released not expecting much and i ended playing it for 7 hours. It's a cool game.
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2hrs from now https://twitter.com/Darktide40K/status/1400013186426937344?s=20
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Qmass posted:2hrs from now Can't wait for this. Hoping they announce a release date today!
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Boba Pearl posted:So I didn't want to say anything, but the twisted mirror world statement and that article hit me so I went ahead and looked up the "All Cutscenes + All Dialogue" cut of Celeste, because I don't play platformers. Hey, thank you for writing this, it's infinitely more eloquent than any of the yelling at cis people I was doing and will probably be infinitely more helpful in getting people who are at the stage of "So what if [people] aren't represented?" to do some thinking. (Which to be clear to Majin that's just a general statement, you actually rock for stepping back and being able to say that, it's a good step.) I thought pushing concepts like fetishization in writing and tokenism through the lens of game dev would probably be helpful at that stage but I was also probably just mostly shouting. I'm sorry if any of that generalization was unpleasant, it wasn't my intent. My wife was trans and died around this time last year so I've been extra fight-y about it lately and while I should and hopefully am this pissed about it all year, the full court aggro is probably detrimental.
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municipal shrimp posted:Slipways is out today. I know it bills itself as a 4x in 30 minutes but really it's more of a fun puzzle game of resource management. You connect planets to each other via trade routes that cannot cross. Each planet requires certain certain resources to output other resources. At first a planet may only require one resource to output but after that is met and the planet is also successfully exporting resources it will level up. Your goal is to level up as many planets as you can to their max level in a fixed number of turns. Eventually you will able to to create wild card resources and warp gates that let you break the rules of the game which add even more wrinkles into the puzzle. It reminds me a lot of a solo board game. I found that games typically lasted closer to an hour but you can pause and quit or to resume st any time. I played 3 or 4 hours of the demo and I really enjoyed it. It's great for playing while you're watching something else or listening to a podcast. it's one of those games that knows exactly what it wants to do and it does it exceptionally well. i also ended up getting hooked on the demo big time.
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John Murdoch posted:Also I know I'm a bit late to the party, but it's stuck in my craw: The reason why the Mix It Up ad situation is horseshit is because even if you accept the ad as a genuine artistic statement about a lovely cyberpunk world where even trans bodies are being commodified for capitalistic purposes...CDPR then proceeded to take a big sloppy dump all over it by literally doing that exact same thing themselves. In the exact same discordant way that a game ostensibly trying to say something about how lovely corporations are and how they mistreat people...was made by a lovely company that mistreated its own employees. It rings really loving hollow. Portrayal is not the same as endorsement, but you have to be pretty naive to act like Having played through Cyberpunk I get the impression the writer(s) was fully aware that they also work for a lovely corp who mistreats them. Like, the people making the game are not the same people deciding to release it unfinished and raking in millions via stock options. It was also brought up in a post-release staff meeting: quote:Another developer asked whether CD Projekt’s directors felt it was hypocritical to make a game about corporate exploitation while expecting that their employees work overtime. The response was vague and noncommital.
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Looking through old PC Gamer magazine scans, came across this amazing(ly bad) ad from 1994. Great text, too. Easy to read, explains very clearly what these games are.  These were terrible Sega CD games, so it's not surprising they tried to show as little as possible of the games in their marketing materials. Rocket Science Games went bankrupt in 1997.
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The Last Spell is out in EA. I'm interested in the premise, but less so having to chew through that many mobs in a SRPG format, which makes it sound like the game can be quite tedious. Did anyone bite the bullet and check it out?
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ErrEff posted:Looking through old PC Gamer magazine scans, came across this amazing(ly bad) ad from 1994. hypnospace outlaw sequel lookin good
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90s game ads are a hoot, such a weird mix of eXtreme/psychedelic surrealism/horny aesthetics
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humble games just announced this RE1-style game and the trailer looks loving sick as hell https://store.steampowered.com/app/1262350/SIGNALIS/
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Do you mean it got an official release date? It's been on my wishlist forever.
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exquisite tea posted:Do you mean it got an official release date? It's been on my wishlist forever.
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The 7th Guest posted:not yet. it appeared in their june newsletter so I think it could possibly be shown at E3 hope that means a closely followed release, had it on my wishlist as well since march 2020. Then again, I love to be surprised by the "now available" mails from Steam.
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Can I refund a game someone gifted me?
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Xander77 posted:Can I refund a game someone gifted me? You can toggle it so that the gifter can refund it.
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GrandpaPants posted:The Last Spell is out in EA. I'm interested in the premise, but less so having to chew through that many mobs in a SRPG format, which makes it sound like the game can be quite tedious. Did anyone bite the bullet and check it out? Even with the amount of enemies that shows up, it doesn't really feel tedious, since all your characters can chew through them like butter. The danger comes from being overwhelmed by the sheer number of mobs that show up each night.
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