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watho posted:i have never felt the need to upgrade from the free version of vital for what it’s worth I really appreciate your input. Do you use different than the stock wavetables? And, uh, if so do you know where I could find some? I exported a bunch from Waves Codex which I got for free in a magazine promotion this year, and it has been handy to have those in Vital for sure. But I am feeling like I could use some more. Agreed fucked around with this message at 15:51 on May 31, 2021 |
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FWIW, if cash is tight, lots of people do the Serum rent to own thing via Splice, it costs about the same. I’ve not used Vital but Serum is frequently the first thing I reach for to dial in a particular sound in my head because the workflow is so easy
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I will probably do that, thanks for the heads-up! I think I'll get plenty of use from Serum and $10 a month is super doable. Still interested to hear thoughts on the two if anyone cares to share.
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Agreed posted:I really appreciate your input. Do you use different than the stock wavetables? And, uh, if so do you know where I could find some? I exported a bunch from Waves Codex which I got for free in a magazine promotion this year, and it has been handy to have those in Vital for sure. But I am feeling like I could use some more. i actually moved to vital from serum. i currently tend to stick with the factory wave tables but i also have some miscellaneous ones i’ve collected over the years. like the massive and virus ones
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Oh, cool, can I ask what made you switch or what it is you love more about Vital? If you want to shoot me a PM glad to discuss it that way too, up to you  I really like that it has a full third oscillator compared to the subosc in Serum, but I bet there's a lot I am not apprehending. Agreed fucked around with this message at 16:14 on May 31, 2021 |
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May 31, 2021 16:11
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the third oscillator and filter is a big part. the way it visualizes modulation is another. i also really like the fact that you can have two different “modifiers” per oscillator. they’re both fantastic synthesizers and it’s for sure worth it to try serum for a month to see which one you prefer
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Agreed posted:Oh, cool, can I ask what made you switch or what it is you love more about Vital? If you want to shoot me a PM glad to discuss it that way too, up to you I'd never used Vital until about 15 minutes ago and poo poo, I might buy it if I keep enjoying it. If I were you, I'd just mess with the free version for a while and see how it shakes out (do that for Serum as well if you haven't already). I used a trial Serum a year or more ago and it was okay, but Vital feels more intuitive to me.
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petit choux posted:Yo dragqueenofangmar, I went with the Kenton despite it being far more expensive. I blame you. 
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After evaluation and reading and listening, and making sounds all (long) weekend, I think I really am going to want both of these synths. After getting into their wavetable editors and how you can mess with the sounds each seems really cool. So I'm using Vital with the $5 sub to unlock unlimited text to Wavetables for at least a month so I can really play with that, and also doing the Splice thing for Serum. If Vital just absorbs me I don't have to continue the Serum plan, but I'll see how I use them for a bit! Pleased to have found a shitload of resources for each today also. Wavetables, noise, samples etc. and most (?) of it seems to work for both without a bunch of tweaking. And, I watched some videos that clued me in to how to make better use of some of the features of these things. I have said it before but I'm really enjoying this and I'd love to have got into synths long before now Thanks for your thoughts everyone. Agreed fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Agreed posted:The reality is not everyone can afford to have that attitude man. Lots of reasons people might place some emphasis on spending wisely. Agreed posted:After evaluation and reading and listening, and making sounds all (long) weekend, I think I really am going to want both of these synths.  No one can resist
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Attn - KD and any other Model: Samples owners: there was an OS update for the battery pack they just released which fixed quite a few bugs as well, one of which I asked about in this thread and obviously never found a solution to and if I remember correctly, another poster also said they ran into the same issue, but now “Tracks set to MOUT now also forwards the incoming note data on the AUTO channel from external MIDI controllers to the MIDI OUT port for control of an external device” whereas before, your MIDI controller or MIDI in would only play back the sample that any given track was sent to chromatically, so I would end up setting the track to a single cycle waveform and using a midi keyboard to play what I would want to play using a similar sounding single cycle waveform thing and then sending the midi out after I got the pattern recorded how I wanted it to sound. However, this was pretty wonky because of another bug that they just fixed where “Notes sent from an external MIDI controller were incorrectly transposed +2 octaves” amongst other things like notes and trigs not recording correctly under certain weird and specific conditions like playing notes legato or playing stuff on a synth via the class compliant USB. Thought I’d post that here since the update makes it sound like it only adds functionality for the battery pack, like showing you how much battery life is left, etc. but also, you can easily use any old power bank as most output at least 5v which is what the M:S and Cycles uses and a USB to AC adapter for 10 bucks or less, I feel like I spent 6 on mine, but here’s one for 10 https://www.amazon.com/MyVolts-Power-Cable-Compatible-Elektron/dp/B07P61RFF5 compared to $59 for the battery/handle thing for the Samples and Cycles, although it does look very nice and seems easier to carry around and set up outside or whatever. Re: Vital and Serum, both are a lot of fun and useful in their own ways, I’m newer to Vital and only have the free version, but just judging from the presets and the small amount of time I’ve spent messing about with it, Vital seems more unique and capable of really distinct textures compared to Serum which is really nice and almost better in a utilitarian way, which sounds derogatory but I don’t mean it like that, it’s just easy to program if you want a nice, big sounding detuned bass line, or a nice, ‘analog’ sounding mono lead. Vital can also probably do stuff like that, but just judging the synths based on my initial impressions I had of each (although I’ve had Serum for a while now), Vital has a lot of presets that have weird like ROMpler sounding fx sounds that play back sample sequences and weird textured sounds, plus stuff like the ability to do Chipspeech-like text to speech synthesis. I’ll probably upgrade to the paid version of Vital soon, maybe once I’ve paid off the rent to own Arturia Collection I’m paying for via Splice. imhotep fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Rutibex posted:
I didn't want to resist, I want to make weird noises  My post was premised on asking whether Serum was worth it at $189.99, then Concatenation clued me in to Splice and that made it kind of a no brainer. The context for that reply was being told I'm in the wrong hobby if I worry about spending $150 on stuff I won't use, which honestly doesn't seem super relevant to what I was asking anyway.I've got a lot less for  /mo! Splice is doing a cool thing here. It is a hell of a synth. Vital is nuts for free, though.
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Have any of yall heard/experienced anything about how Ableton, Serum, etc. run on the new Mac chips?
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I’m told even under Rosetta the mini wrecks the last intel MBPs
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I’m running ableton on an m1 mini and I haven’t really pushed it hard yet but export times are super fast.
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All gear may be poo poo but I worry M Audio is more poo poo than average. Kinda wishing I'd returned my Oxygen Pro 49 within the return window, because they are seriously dragging their feet on a supposed firmware update to fix some issues with it that are bugging me. Pitch and mod wheel don't track correctly and they are aware, can't get an ETA on a fix. I like the keybed and control features a great deal, and the pads aren't bad. Channel after touch is cool having no alternatives. Not all the DAW features work (hard to sync clock for example, midi to it causes issues). The experience with my Novation LK37 Mk3 keyboard in the same time has had two great updates that added features and it didn't have bugs to begin with. Maybe I'll get one of their SL keyboards when I upgrade eventually, they seem to be doing a pretty good job. I'll be glad if M-Audio steps up and gets a fix out soon, it does feel good to play. Just want it working right. Agreed fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Jun 2, 2021 |
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massive spider posted:I’m running ableton on an m1 mini and I haven’t really pushed it hard yet but export times are super fast. I haven't tried it on my M1 lappy yet but Bitwig just released the version 4 beta which is Apple Silicon native. Probably going to buy a mac mini for my studio setup once the next gen comes out.
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Agreed posted:All gear may be poo poo but I worry M Audio is more poo poo than average. Kinda wishing I'd returned my Oxygen Pro 49 within the return window, because they are seriously dragging their feet on a supposed firmware update to fix some issues with it that are bugging me. Pitch and mod wheel don't track correctly and they are aware, can't get an ETA on a fix. I like the keybed and control features a great deal, and the pads aren't bad. Channel after touch is cool having no alternatives. Not all the DAW features work (hard to sync clock for example, midi to it causes issues). Hmmm, M-Audio dragging their heels on software updates? Why, I never (Long long history of this)
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My wife gave me $200 for some reason. I'm thinking I might grab an RD-6.
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Oldstench posted:My wife gave me $200 for some reason. I'm thinking I might grab an RD-6. huh I would’ve bought weed and something boudoir-related, in that order. But clearly you’re a smarter goon than I
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Ok Comboomer posted:huh An RD-6 is totally boudoir-related if you're brave enough.
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how good of an emulation is the RD-6? the 606 is probably my favorite of the oldschool drum machines and it’s very underrepresented when it comes to clones and reissues
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watho posted:how good of an emulation is the RD-6? the 606 is probably my favorite of the oldschool drum machines and it’s very underrepresented when it comes to clones and reissues It's not a straight repro - it adds individual outs (somewhat, the outs combine LT/HT), a distortion circuit (similar to the TD-3's), and it adds a clap (a reproduction of the Boss DR-110 Clap Circuit). The cymbals and hats are... a slight bit off to my ears. It's tunable via an internal pot though, and extremely moddable if you have any experience at all with soldering. Here's a tiny little demo I did with mine about an hour after I got it. It's just the mix output, with the distortion on very slightly, and run through a Lexicon reverb set to "drum plate": https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/660977674537140257/847865767571357766/rd6_1.mp3
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yeah the hats are definitely a long ways off but aside from that it sounds real good
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I’m deffo selling this oktatrack so if anyone wants a minty mk2 with original packaging and deck saver dm me, it’s going up on the ‘verb when I make it back to LA
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i super loving want it but there’s no way i can afford it
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watho posted:i super loving want it but there’s no way i can afford it same, also I don't need it and have no idea what I'd do with it much like all of my gear purchases
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Oldstench posted:My wife gave me $200 for some reason. I'm thinking I might grab an RD-6. it's a trap. buy her something with it. any anniversaries or birthdays or anything you're forgetting?
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Lol, I just started playing with my RD-6 because I guess I want to cover early Big Black and Sisters of Mercy. The random button + a delay with parallel processing makes it so easy that I wonder why I made pages of notes from"The Geometry of Musical Rhythm". Synced with the bass synth and slamming a palm on the random buttons every eight bars is the future of youtube-based streaming.
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Agreed posted:Oh, cool, can I ask what made you switch or what it is you love more about Vital? If you want to shoot me a PM glad to discuss it that way too, up to you Vital is Serum improved. Haven’t touched Serum since I got Vital. It improves on it in pretty much every single way. Spend your rent to own on Phaseplant. I owned Serum since its initial release but the price is now too high for the competition it has, though rent to own is a good idea. Better effects. Proper FM. True dual filters. The main thing Serum has going for it is more commercially available presets, but Vital has a Discord with lots of good stuff being shared. https://gumroad.com/databroth for wt’s Also if Surge is not in your installed plugins list get it now.
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Looked back a ways and didn't see any other clueless newbies asking goons to guide their wallet, so here goes: tl;dr, I have $400 or so I'd like to throw at a modular or semi-modular system to see if things really "click" with me in advance of taking the plunge into beginning to assemble a Eurorack or something. Looking to do sound exploring and IDM/Ambient kind of stuff. I love bleep bloops. I love robot farts. I love knobs and buttons and gadgets. For two goddamn decades I've been saying "oh I'll get into electronic music sometime." But I kept bouncing off the DAWs I would download and fiddle with a bit in the early 00's. The interfaces just didn't interest me. Recently, finally, I got an itch. I picked up a cheap secondhand Arturia Beatmaster. Started playing around with that, but it wasn't the self-contained experience I thought it was (thanks, YouTube). So I picked up a Pocket Operator. And another. And another. And I know there's something here and it's really exciting to be able to build this little musical ecosystem. Then I downloaded VCV Rack, and I realize I'm likely hosed now. This janky amazing switchboard poo poo is what I've been after. I've sunk a dozen hours or so into it over the past week and I'm only getting more excited, so I'm ready to give it a shot. I can justify throwing like $400 at this to see if I stick with it (can go higher -- maaaybe $600ish if there's something truly mindblowing there). Eurorack (or another rack system, I haven't looked into the others much) seems like where I'll eventually end up. But I'm an indecisive kid in a really, REALLY expensive candy store, so something relatively self-contained might be a good idea to start with and build out from. Sequencers are my most likely workflow as I never learned keys, but the Beatmaster has me covered there. But I'm not averse to something with keys if it ends up being a better buy, or to picking up multiple items. And I don't need visualization since I have an (OLD) oscilloscope hooked into my hifi system. So yeah. What do? I'm really new to the manufacturers (other than, like, Yamaha for my stereo receiver) so I'm not sure where to start exactly. The Crave looked pretty good for the price ($200 at Sweetwater), but I don't want to cheap out and regret it if I could get more bang for my buck by spending more. Edit: Also worth noting that while I'm not terribly good at it, I do have a soldering station and an itch for a project for it, so some DIY isn't entirely out of the question -- but I wouldn't want to meticulously solder together like 6 different boards as my intro to the hobby. Might leave a bad taste in my mouth/lungs/braincage. Kraven Moorhed fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Jun 4, 2021 |
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NC Wyeth Death Cult posted:Lol, I just started playing with my RD-6 because I guess I want to cover early Big Black and Sisters of Mercy. The random button + a delay with parallel processing makes it so easy that I wonder why I made pages of notes from"The Geometry of Musical Rhythm". Synced with the bass synth and slamming a palm on the random buttons every eight bars is the future of youtube-based streaming. Have you got a sickness sweet as a love note now?
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NC Wyeth Death Cult posted:Lol, I just started playing with my RD-6 because I guess I want to cover early Big Black and Sisters of Mercy. The random button + a delay with parallel processing makes it so easy that I wonder why I made pages of notes from"The Geometry of Musical Rhythm". Synced with the bass synth and slamming a palm on the random buttons every eight bars is the future of youtube-based streaming. Machines can and probably do already make better music than humans. In fact, if we can get these humans out of the way the sky is the limit.
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$400 isn't a whole lot for getting into modular, you'll likely be better off going semi-modular. For eurorack, you'd probably have to spend a third or half of that just on the case and power supply (and that'd still probably leave you with a smaller case than you'll want), and I don't know how you'd make a functional system with the remainder. The non-eurorack modular systems only get more expensive and harder to find. That's also still not a ton for a semi-modular, but there are some options, especially if you don't mind going used. I'd look at the Behringer Crave or Neutron, the Moog Mother-32, and probably the Make Noise 0-coast (the last two might be out of the price range even used)--just look them up on youtube and you should find several examples of them being used as well as deeper walkthroughs of their features. You could probably find a used Minibrute 2 for under $400--I have a 2S myself and while I don't super care for the sound (particularly the filter), it does have a full patch bay and a lot of flexibility, and with the 2S a pretty powerful sequencer. The Korg MS-20 mini is also pretty fun and was my entry to semi-modular, but be warned that it's not directly compatible with eurorack systems--it uses hz/volt standard instead of eurorack's volt/octave standard. There's also a recent Behringer knock-off of the MS-20, the K-2, with the same compatibility caveat. The Behringer 2600 is likely out of budget and too new to easily find used, but might be worth a look as well.
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What electronic instruments were used to make A Bell is a Cup Until it is Struck? Those good old boys seemed so far ahead of their time to me back then. petit choux fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Jun 4, 2021 |
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a karp odyssey without a keyboard is around that much, does plenty of basic analog synth functions and has gate/trigger and cv in and out. if you do decide to spend a ton of money on a modular setup it makes a pretty good "synth voice". before doing the modular semimodular thing though think about how loving cool and useful patch storage is and how much more cost effective softsynths are. if you just need knobs to play with, there are cheaper options available that are real satisfying to just play and a virtual analog synth or any kind of digital synth with a good patch/mod scheme is largely equivalent in function to a sizeable modular setup
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Achmed Jones posted:Have any of yall heard/experienced anything about how Ableton, Serum, etc. run on the new Mac chips? Pigments gets a little weird/slow sometimes, but I've had no issues with Ableton or Vital. Worst problem I've had is with the 828es, if the computer goes to sleep it'll cause a kernel panic, even with Motu's updated drivers.
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Kraven Moorhed posted:Looked back a ways and didn't see any other clueless newbies asking goons to guide their wallet, so here goes: For your price range get a Erica Synths Pico system 3. Just know that if you don't have at least 3000$ to throw at it over the next 2 years, it's probably better not to get into eurorack. It's expensive, way more expensive than desktop synths
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