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Stairmaster posted:Yeah but why are people talking about it again Charles Lieber was arrested in January 2020 in connection with work he was doing in Wuhan for George Church and Martin Nowak, geneticists who received 6.5 million USD from Jeffrey Epstein as a grant to the Program for Evolutionary Dynamics, whose research topics included virus dynamics
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Jun 3, 2021 16:58
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Stairmaster posted:Yeah but why are people talking about it again they didnt read the thread so they never interrogated the idea enough to discover is basically a literary device
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Jun 3, 2021 16:59
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Is that implying Epstein's deadman switch was covid release? 
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Jun 3, 2021 16:59
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gradenko_2000 posted:Charles Lieber was arrested in January 2020 in connection with work he was doing in Wuhan for George Church and Martin Nowak, geneticists who received 6.5 million USD from Jeffrey Epstein as a grant to the Program for Evolutionary Dynamics, whose research topics included virus dynamics please don't do this to me. this is too much
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Jun 3, 2021 17:01
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DOMELORD420 posted:im glad i looked up the Peter Scully wiki before looking any further, I don't need any of that in my life. my only remaining curiosity is what genre of music is this "pesudoscorpion" album? there's something thats supposed to be it on youtube and it just sounds like lovely trap music
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gradenko_2000 posted:Charles Lieber was arrested in January 2020 in connection with work he was doing in Wuhan for George Church and Martin Nowak, geneticists who received 6.5 million USD from Jeffrey Epstein as a grant to the Program for Evolutionary Dynamics, whose research topics included virus dynamics the gently caress
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gradenko_2000 posted:Charles Lieber was arrested in January 2020 in connection with work he was doing in Wuhan for George Church and Martin Nowak, geneticists who received 6.5 million USD from Jeffrey Epstein as a grant to the Program for Evolutionary Dynamics, whose research topics included virus dynamics welp that's another crack ping, I stand corrected
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Jun 3, 2021 17:04
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DirtyRobot posted:Nice, thanks. I'm working through the Talbot now, but haven't gotten to that part. I'll check out the Ganser afterwards. The entire post WW2 era was a giant rush between NATO and the USSR to scoop up all the worst fucks on the face of the planet for their "for science" and "for medicine" programs, not just Nazis but also poo poo like Japan Unit 731. Nobody loving looks good. It's not just the US, the glorious socialist and communist nations also did the same poo poo. Everybody looks horrible. So there is a giant we won ww2............. modern medicine and science.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Charles Lieber was arrested in January 2020 in connection with work he was doing in Wuhan for George Church and Martin Nowak, geneticists who received 6.5 million USD from Jeffrey Epstein as a grant to the Program for Evolutionary Dynamics, whose research topics included virus dynamics plz link to related reading materials
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MysteriousStranger posted:The entire post WW2 era was a giant rush between NATO and the USSR to scoop up all the worst fucks on the face of the planet for their "for science" and "for medicine" programs, not just Nazis but also poo poo like Japan Unit 731. Nobody loving looks good. It's not just the US, the glorious socialist and communist nations also did the same poo poo. Everybody looks horrible. i mean, even before ww2 american intelligence was teaming up with nazi intelligence to work against the communists. one side clearly had (and still has!) views that align better with nazi ideology. i don't think your equivalence holds water here
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Jun 3, 2021 17:09
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Marzzle posted:plz link to related reading materials https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/jeffrey-epstein-science-financier-changes-the-course-of-evolution-at-harvard-211218581.html https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/mar/27/harvard-closes-evolution-center-after-finding-connections-jeffrey-epstein https://www.cbsnews.com/news/harvard-scientist-george-church-talks-about-accepting-donations-from-jeffrey-epstein-60-minutes-2019-12-08/ https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2020/2/13/doe-investigation-foreign-governments/ https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00291-2 gradenko_2000 has issued a correction as of 17:19 on Jun 3, 2021 |
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Hooplah posted:i mean, even before ww2 american intelligence was teaming up with nazi intelligence to work against the communists. one side clearly had (and still has!) views that align better with nazi ideology. i don't think your equivalence holds water here And for a while in WW2 the communists were allied with the Nazis so... I don't think yours holds up either. Everyone cashed in when they could and got out when they can. That's how nations work, that's how groups work, that's how communal efforts work. A person can be moral, a group cannot.
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The Soviets at least had the good sense to keep all their rehabilitated Nazis on the dl in work camps, while Werner von Braun is still a hero of American aerospace.MysteriousStranger posted:And for a while in WW2 the communists were allied with the Nazis so... How's the tweeting been lately, OmniLiberal?
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Jun 3, 2021 17:13
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gradenko_2000 posted:Charles Lieber was arrested in January 2020 in connection with work he was doing in Wuhan for George Church and Martin Nowak, geneticists who received 6.5 million USD from Jeffrey Epstein as a grant to the Program for Evolutionary Dynamics, whose research topics included virus dynamics 
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poo poo I gotta go to bed or I'd add to the coming pile on
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Jun 3, 2021 17:22
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lmoa just lmao if 3.6M deaths happened because Epstein couldn't help trying to get his egg-shaped dick wet
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gradenko_2000 posted:Charles Lieber was arrested in January 2020 in connection with work he was doing in Wuhan for George Church and Martin Nowak, geneticists who received 6.5 million USD from Jeffrey Epstein as a grant to the Program for Evolutionary Dynamics, whose research topics included virus dynamics 
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/jeffrey-epstein-science-financier-changes-the-course-of-evolution-at-harvard-211218581.html is there a place to get info about lieber's relationship with church and nowak? not really seeing much in the links but I may be overlooking it
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MysteriousStranger posted:
lol what the gently caress is this poo poo you war criminal
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leon black absolutely has seen that no limits fun poo poo
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ram dass in hell posted:lol what the gently caress is this poo poo you war criminal people personally condemened what happened in ww2 but all nation states swooped in gained from it and then lied about it, or would you like it in crayon?
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Jun 3, 2021 17:47
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The nature of Man is in a word: war.
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MysteriousStranger posted:
Thankfully this attitude is never ever used to justify continued horrors and atrocities.
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MysteriousStranger posted:people personally condemened what happened in ww2 but all nation states swooped in gained from it and then lied about it, or would you like it in crayon? neither the US nor USSR were nation states. France and the UK were still explicitly empires as well. Don't use bigger words to try to seem smarter.
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Jun 3, 2021 17:54
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i keep being told there is nothing suspicious happening in BSL setups in china. if the prc isn't doing some sketchy research on the downlow, why do they need to keep stealing samples & materials? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mani...igate-1.5609582 also, is it racist to ask such an obvious question??!?
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MysteriousStranger posted:people personally condemened what happened in ww2 but all nation states swooped in gained from it and then lied about it, or would you like it in crayon? I personally condemn you and your war crimes and do not know why you feel the need to leap to the defense of other war criminals - hold on, i just figured it out lmao
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Trabisnikof posted:Thankfully this attitude is never ever used to justify continued horrors and atrocities. It's not a justification for poo poo, it's a condemnation. One person can morally object to something, the moment it becomes "but for the greater good of all of us" people will justify all sorts of bullshit and nobody will or can be held responsible. That is the lesson of the post WW2 era. Everyone loving agreed on a personal level that what the Axis powers did was horrible, but for the greater good everyone scooped up all the doctors and scientists and now we have poo poo like jets and COVID vaccines. It's the sad ugly truth that we are a monstorous animal and while one on one some of us can be good, get us in a group and we will justify all sorts of nonsense for the group. I don't see what's so hard to grasp about this.
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quote:"We have a researcher who was removed by the RCMP from the highest security laboratory that Canada has for reasons that government is unwilling to disclose. The intelligence remains secret. But what we know is that before she was removed, she sent one of the deadliest viruses on Earth, and multiple varieties of it to maximize the genetic diversity and maximize what experimenters in China could do with it, to a laboratory in China that does dangerous gain of function experiments. And that has links to the Chinese military." can't wait for the RCMP to get to the bottom of the virus investigation. They're trustworthy quote:Meanwhile, it appears the NML's shipper initially planned to send the viruses in inappropriate packaging and only changed it when the clients in China flagged the problem. lol this sounds like a Canadian gently caress up
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Groups have realized der wille zur macht. In other words, they have grown beyond good & evil
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MysteriousStranger posted:It's not a justification for poo poo, it's a condemnation. One person can morally object to something, the moment it becomes "but for the greater good of all of us" people will justify all sorts of bullshit and nobody will or can be held responsible. 
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glad to see you agree civilization was a mistake (I'm not joking here either)
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MysteriousStranger posted:That is the lesson of the post WW2 era. Everyone loving agreed on a personal level that what the Axis powers did was horrible, but for the greater good everyone scooped up all the doctors and scientists and now we have poo poo like jets and COVID vaccines. this sort of surface level, face value take is so quintessentially liberal. what the western powers did was not "scooped up all the doctors and scientists", it was more than the wikipedia article on operation paperclip. nazi war criminals had their reputations laundered so they could go right back to working in the west german state, or into the u.s. to hunt communists. they helped create the neoliberal order we still live with today. the same just can't be said of the ussr
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Hooplah posted:this sort of surface level, face value take is so quintessentially liberal. what the western powers did was not "scooped up all the doctors and scientists", it was more than the wikipedia article on operation paperclip. nazi war criminals had their reputations laundered so they could go right back to working in the west german state, or into the u.s. to hunt communists. they helped create the neoliberal order we still live with today. the same just can't be said of the ussr it sort of can for the same reason. they were good at killing the allies and they had science. same poo poo happened.
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The same poo poo did not happen you baboon. That was the whole point of the post!
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The USSR did not defeat NSDAP because of better technology and being "good at killing" either.
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how can you come to this thread of all threads and say that kind of stuff
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