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You absolutely have the right to still wear a mask and I will not judge anything you do. I still wear a half-mask respirator inside buildings just because I bought one a while ago and I own it and then I don't have to worry at all. What I object to is telling other people that are vaccinated that they should continue to quarantine and wear a mask always. It's a waste of time and not where the focus should be!!
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Fluffy Bunnies is 100% justified in being cautious, especially given health issues. But if you and your family are vaxxed you're also justified in doing more things and feeling safe in doing those things. I think it's pretty lovely to shame someone for being cautious, even if you personally think they're being too cautious. I don't give a gently caress if someone wants to wear a drat hazmat suit around after last year, it doesn't bother me at all.
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learnincurve posted:Lot of the vaccine companies are running studies on antibodies and some of the vulnerable people I work with are involved. Doc signed me up for one of those studies in July but I'm on the wait list so we'll see if it materializes into anything. I'd still be wearing a mask until this poo poo is lower in community spread regardless of the result. E: Masks work less well when fewer people wear them. If anyone gives a poo poo about the general welfare of the people around you, regardless of vaccine status, you should be masked to assist in efficacy of masks in general. Simple as that. The vaccines have not changed that simple thing and though we are certainly getting closer to better vaccine numbers, we are still nowhere near where we need to be for that to change. You can say "oh I won't spread it if I get it" all you want because you're vaccinated, but we have 0 confirmation about that because they aren't monitoring non-hospitalized breakthrough cases nor are we monitoring the way many other countries are via site infection potential. Largely because we still have too many cases in the country. Blaise bullshit is what got us here in the first place and why there's over 600,000 Americans dead and 3.5+ M dead worldwide. You'd think people would learn, but people don't. Fluffy Bunnies fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Jun 3, 2021 |
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Ah if you are on the list now then expect to be called up for the booster study, if all goes well their end then you should expect to have the face to face around August - they will check for antibodies first and then offer you either a regular shot or one they have tinkered with.
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Well, if you have a medical condition that is such that, even fully vaccinated, you are at mortal risk if you catch covid then my sympathy. That sounds rough as hell. I am not looking down on people who continue to wear masks, but also its fine to take them off if you're vaccinated and I'm not judging for that either.
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Jun 3, 2021 18:40
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CapMoron posted:People can stop getting tested, but they can't stop making GBS threads, so there's that. I accept your challenge.
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Chief McHeath posted:I accept your challenge. https://mobile.twitter.com/dril/status/828031141546430465?lang=en He really is the Nostradamus of our age
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Jun 3, 2021 19:08
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A Fancy Hat posted:Fluffy Bunnies is 100% justified in being cautious, especially given health issues Normally I'd agree but Fluffy Bunnies posted:Whatever it is, I'd rather bank a few more months of being cautious and watching other idiots get covid through their vaccines than be one of those idiots getting it. gently caress this
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Jun 3, 2021 19:14
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henkman posted:Normally I'd agree but If you're putting yourself at risk and others by refusing to do the most basic thing in the world to protect others from the potential of breakthroughs, that's on you but I'm not gonna be part of it. This whole thread has turned pretty anti-masking pro "who gives a gently caress about breakthroughs" vibes and it's pretty sad.
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Jun 3, 2021 19:15
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learnincurve posted:Fluffy has spent the plague doing thousands of funerals lads. I know. She's also in one of the shittier states of the nation. And I have a huge amount of both sympathy and respect for FB. I still don't think everyone who is relaxing mask usage deserves to be called an idiot.
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Castaign posted:She's also in one of the shittier states of the nation I posted this over in cspam but I guess I can post them here too. These are direct from DPH in GA and are current/up to date:    It's just such trash over here and especially with nobody masking at all. E: I added Mozi and Spinz to my ignore list and they should make it mutual because they can't cope with differing opinions and I am actively not trying to get the thread shut down just by having a vastly different experience with this poo poo compared to the high-vax areas in the country; where I've already said several times if I were there I'd definitely be going out and doing cool poo poo. Fluffy Bunnies fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Jun 3, 2021 |
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:This whole thread has turned pretty anti-masking pro "who gives a gently caress about breakthroughs" vibes and it's pretty sad. No, this thread is about 'now that I'm finally vaccinated I don't need to wear a mask anymore, a position which is supported by science that proves that getting the vaccine is more effective at preventing the spread of COVID than wearing a mask is.' If you really do have some medical issue that renders the vaccine less effective for you that's unfortunate, but you can take this attitude: Fluffy Bunnies posted:I'd rather bank a few more months of being cautious and watching other idiots get covid through their vaccines than be one of those idiots getting it. and cram it back up where it belongs. Congrats, you have an excuse to be paranoid and wearing a mask for the rest of your life. I hope you enjoy it.
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I have a hard time feeling judged. Ideally, everyone would be vaxxed and masked until zero community transmission.
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Accretionist posted:I have a hard time feeling judged. Or at least incredibly low numbers. I don't think we'll ever see the end of covid at this point, entirely, because people can't deal with waiting that long. But yeah. At least lower than 500+ dead yesterday and another 16,000-some odd infections. It isn't even entirely the daily stats. It's that we have 5.5M cases still active in the US; over a third of all the world's cases entirely. We really, really need to cool our jets and let some more of this fade off.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:Or at least incredibly low numbers. I don't think we'll ever see the end of covid at this point, entirely, because people can't deal with waiting that long. But yeah. At least lower than 500+ dead yesterday and another 16,000-some odd infections. It isn't even entirely the daily stats. It's that we have 5.5M cases still active in the US; over a third of all the world's cases entirely. We really, really need to cool our jets and let some more of this fade off. Where are you getting 5.5M active cases? There’s been 34 million total, 1/7 of those being active doesn’t really make sense with the dramatic reduction in new cases.
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https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/ This article is a month old but I found it a good read, and interesting. It presents a more in-depth analysis of the natural emergence vs lab escape theories of how the COVID outbreak began than I've seen elsewhere, although I haven't been digging through the online garbage looking hard for info on the topic particularly. Apologies if it has already been posted, I haven't kept up with the thread for ages. Warning: it's a bit technical at points, but it's still more or less slanted to the layman.
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If it leaked, it's the same risk every lab takes. I dislike how the 'lab leak' narrative has created all this hostility. Could have been us! But I've seen a few articles about pre-China sightings. Testing archived blood draws. The earliest I've seen is Italy: September 2019. quote:[...] We investigated the presence of SARS-CoV-2 receptor-binding domain (RBD)-specific antibodies in blood samples of 959 asymptomatic individuals enrolled in a prospective lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 ... SARS-CoV-2 RBD-specific antibodies were detected in 111 of 959 (11.6%) individuals, starting from September 2019 (14%), with a cluster of positive cases (>30%) in the second week of February 2020 and the highest number (53.2%) in Lombardy. This study shows an unexpected very early circulation of SARS-CoV-2 among asymptomatic individuals in Italy several months before the first patient was identified, and clarifies the onset and spread of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic. Finding SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in asymptomatic people before the COVID-19 outbreak in Italy may reshape the history of pandemic. The Spanish Flu started in Kansas!
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:If you're putting yourself at risk and others by refusing to do the most basic thing in the world to protect others from the potential of breakthroughs, that's on you but I'm not gonna be part of it. risk is relative. you buying stuff and having it shipped to your house puts others at risk from traffic accidents or work accidents. purchasing most stuff is probably putting people in another country at risk because they have lovely workers' rights. going out fully vaccinated without a mask vs with a mask likely falls within the realm of these things. unless you want to subsist on rice in a cave, you're going to be doing things that put people at more risk than the minimum, but at some point you just have to deal with it
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Accretionist posted:If it leaked, it's the same risk every lab takes. Eh I wouldn’t be so sure about that. China notoriously pays its scientists and associated workers pretty crap wages and I highly doubt they take the same levels of precautions. It’s definitely not an intentional leak but I can 100% but it being accidental.
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MarcusSA posted:Eh I wouldn’t be so sure about that. Pot kettle. Maybe not 50 years ago.
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MarcusSA posted:Eh I wouldn’t be so sure about that. There is an article in the Washington Post just posted today about Chinese scientists who worked at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and how the collected bat specimens for research. They were apparently very lax in terms of PPE. (Paywalled so incognito mode is your friend) https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/coronavirus-bats-china-wuhan/2021/06/02/772ef984-beb2-11eb-922a-c40c9774bc48_story.html
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Interesting. For once an article that isn’t a retread. Here’s an archive link if the incognito trick is unreliable for you. quote:The WHO report says Shi told the visiting team that all field work is done with full protective equipment — which experts say would include N95 masks, Tyvek bodysuits, goggles and gloves. But in a June 2018 lecture, Shi said workers don’t do that in practice. I’m no virologist, but I’m suspicious about wisdom in “most bat-borne diseases cannot infect humans directly, only through an intermediary animal”. That can be true in 99.999% of cases, and it’s that hundred thousandth bat encounter that causes a pandemic. I’ve sat down in a car thousand times without incident, but I still wear my seatbelt.
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That’s not so much escaped from a lab as someone caught something while inhaling bat guano and then merrily went about their day. What it will boil down to is that real scientists will be able to tell if the original strain looks like a naturally occurring mutation or, to use the correct term I’m sure, someone has fiddled with it.
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learnincurve posted:That’s not so much escaped from a lab as someone caught something while inhaling bat guano and then merrily went about their day. I agree about the bat guano thing. If that's the origin of the pandemic then it's not at all as bad as if the virus was manipulated and then accidentally released. Still, pretty bad. But, about the second thing you wrote there, according to https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/ (linked above), that's not the case at all. quote:[...] a group of virologists led by Kristian G. Andersen of the Scripps Research Institute. “Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus,” the five virologists declared in the second paragraph of their letter.
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Dr. Fauci's emails are out. Interesting to see what people will find. A lot of it is redacted though. https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/02/politics/anthony-fauci-emails/index.html
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garbage article posted:newer methods, called “no-see-um” or “seamless” approaches, leave no defining marks. Nor do other methods for manipulating viruses such as serial passage, the repeated transfer of viruses from one culture of cells to another. Ah, the ole "no-see-um" method. Very sciency!! This more recent Nature article by Kristian G. Andersen discusses serial passage and other possibilities pretty well.
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spacetoaster posted:Dr. Fauci's emails are out. "What a nice guy"
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Blitter posted:Ah, the ole "no-see-um" method. Very sciency!! That's exactly the article that the "bulletin" article takes down in detail. He completely discredits the Andersen group's letter. I don't know why you write "this more recent" when it's from 17 March 2020 and the takedown Jeza posted is from last month? Maybe you linked the wrong article or something? quote:And that’s it. These are the two arguments made by the Andersen group in support of their declaration that the SARS2 virus was clearly not manipulated. And this conclusion, grounded in nothing but two inconclusive speculations, convinced the world’s press that SARS2 could not have escaped from a lab. A technical critique of the Andersen letter takes it down in harsher words. Hippie Hedgehog fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Jun 3, 2021 |
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:That's exactly the article that the "bulletin" article takes down in detail. He completely discredits the Andersen group's letter. I don't know why you write "this more recent" when it's from 17 March 2020 and the takedown Jeza posted is from last month? Maybe you linked the wrong article or something? I should have said, recently quoted: https://mobile.twitter.com/K_G_Andersen/status/1399852467873927173 Have you read the paper, and considered the validity of the "take down"? Have you considered the author? Did you know Nicolas Wade has been publicly denounced before by the very scientists and others who he has based his work on? 143 publishing scientists refuting his book wherein he describes a genetic and racial basis for social behaviour and class.. If you are fond of that article, fine. I have no idea how you think he discredits it. I don't know what the gbs thread thinks of TWIV but there is an excellent episode from three days ago that discusses origin theories and evidence for and against. https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-762/ I would encourage you to see what all the quoted scientists and their peers think of the origin being deliberate manipulation. Blitter fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Jun 4, 2021 |
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Our news was talking about the incentives that the US has put into place like lottery, super bowl tickets etc. They talking about the efficacy of these programs and whether they would work. There people who actually think that the lottery thing is bad because it could trigger gamblers if they are automatically entered into a draw. Give me a break. If that's holding up even 10 people from Getting vaccinated I choose to throw the gamblers into a pit of some sort.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Pot kettle. I have no idea what any of this means but that article is pretty telling wrt PPE. It’s not like it matters at this point as we will never really know one way or the other. I would hope that this lights a fire under their rear end to more harshly enforce PPE rules but 
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Purgatory Glory posted:Our news was talking about the incentives that the US has put into place like lottery, super bowl tickets etc. They talking about the efficacy of these programs and whether they would work. There people who actually think that the lottery thing is bad because it could trigger gamblers if they are automatically entered into a draw. Give me a break. If that's holding up even 10 people from Getting vaccinated I choose to throw the gamblers into a pit of some sort. Well it could frankly but who gives a poo poo. Degenerate gamblers are barely human. (I was one, am one, depends how you look at it. Stopped about 10 years ago)
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Also it really matters that you don't have to take any action to be entered. At least it's that way in California. It would be the ACT that is really triggering if you're going to get triggered like if everyone got some kind of scratch card or whatever you had to do something. Someone that much on a knife edge is going to get triggered anyway the stuff's everywhere
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Imagine all the phishing opportunities this is going to lead to. You won the vaccine lottery, and now all you need to do is "reconfirm your personal information" and cover the costs of shipping your prize!
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This might seem a little weird but I’ll ask anyway. My wife was talking to me about women reporting irregularities in their period after the shot and now she’s reporting the same ( it’s super early when it’s normally with in a few days). Is there any real data on this?
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It turns out that one of the crazy protesters at last weekend's anti-vax/anti-lockdown protest in Melbourne Australia is an aged care worker ...... and and news of that got out, you can guess how her employer reacted https://twitter.com/reid_butler9/status/1399685206446018560  Lolie posted:The Australian government is going to fund the building of a new quarantine facility - something which would already be operating if they hadn't refused to so last year. They're also funding a new mRNA facility so we might even be able to bulk manufacture mRNA vaccines right here in Australia perhaps in 4 years or so, so don't hold your breath https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-03/mrna-covid-19-vaccines-local-production-timeline/100187642 MarcusSA posted:This might seem a little weird but I’ll ask anyway. Anecdotally yes, I've heard some stories about menstrual irregularities directly from several people. There's also a HUGE amount of bullshit on social media about people "shedding" the vaccine and causing menstrual irregularities in women who haven't been vaccinated and stuff like that so double check every source, certain people are being real weird around this subject. Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Jun 4, 2021 |
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:
Yeah this is what I was afraid of. I think that’s where she first saw it so I was a bit skeptical of it. It could be any number of things that caused it but she can be a bit of a self admitted hypochondriac so I’m trying to “help” lol.
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