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Sanguinia posted:Presumably because we actually want the thing to happen and indications are if Congress keeps it in hand it won't happen If the House set up their own Democrat-lead investigation I would expect it to be thorough and full-throated.
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Sanguinia posted:Presumably because we actually want the thing to happen and indications are if Congress keeps it in hand it won't happen The hell are you talking about? Pelosi literally said that if the Senate didn't pass the full commission, House Dems would do it on their own. Just two days ago we had reports about House Dems outlining every way the commission could be done without the Senate. I'm pretty sure Congress is more empowered to do investigations like this than the executive is, anyway.
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There is zero chance congress doesn't investigate 1/6. There's also zero chance dems will get a bunch of republicans to vote for an investigation. Thankfully the latter is in no way required for the former.
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Jun 3, 2021 21:32
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Herstory Begins Now posted:hell yeah im a mod now Congratulations to new QCS/fyad mod Herstory Begins Now
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How are u posted:Why? Why not let Congressional Dems take the "partisan hit" while Joe stays on the sidelines? It seems like it would be electorally unwise for Joe to be directly investigating his political rival, no? - There will be a penalty for investigating 1/6 in a "partisan" way (this is incredibly disputable, but let's concede it for this exercise) - The penalty will be paid by either Biden or Congress - Congress has elections coming up sooner, and Biden is more generally popular, so it would make more sense for Biden to take the hit. But... the public perception of Biden probably has as much or more effect on Dems' performance in '22 than the perception of Nancy Pelosi or congress. It's also something that should be investigated by congress. And after all, the executive has been investigating it, in the way the executive branch does: via FBI operations and the DOJ. The "blue ribbon committee report" poo poo is really more of a congressional thing. I do worry that Biden's above-it-all, "Republicans are our friends" tack, both in the campaign and as POTUS, is beneficial to his own personal popularity, but doesn't do the downticket any favors. (After all, Biden said these are just nice guys who disagree on some issues, right?) There's some stuff in the 2020 results that suggests that's the case. But, like I said, Biden's popularity is pretty important to the downticket, so...  The question is in how much being the "good cop" helps Joe, and how much it hurts dems in congress, and how much it helping Joe helps Dems in congress. My guess would be that once you weigh those out, the effect is... pretty negligible. Compared to like, you know, Number, or restrictive voting laws. In any case, however 1/6 gets investigated, it will absolutely be more damaging for Republicans than for Democrats, so they might as well just get going with it already. e: I can't believe I even have to say this but "there is no investigation" is not a thing that will possibly happen 
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congress has clear subpoena power while i don't know that a commission biden sets up by executive order does, and congress is the right party to investigate it anyway
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evilweasel posted:congress has clear subpoena power while i don't know that a commission biden sets up by executive order does, and congress is the right party to investigate it anyway Also, the FBI can and is still investigating people. That is Biden's power over this.
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Jun 3, 2021 21:39
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Mooseontheloose posted:Hey Larry, yep...I...uh-huh...right ok...but....ok...Larry, I gotta go but it was so great to talk to you. Yeah, I definitely reach out to people and solicit their advice just so I can then brush them off. I’m sure that is what Joe Biden is doing. 
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Jun 3, 2021 21:41
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https://twitter.com/verge/status/1400548625646854144 Hm. On the one hand, this is the right move in a vacuum, given the dangerous poo poo that right-wing politicians post. It also seems like Facebook sticking with its decision to keep Trump banned even after the 6 month period the oversight board gave them to make a final decision. On the other hand, I fully expect this to be used as a cudgel against left-wing politicians for even the slightest non-violent-but-radical sentiment.
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Discendo Vox posted:Congratulations to new QCS/fyad mod Herstory Begins Now may my reign be nasty, brutish, and short Pobrecito posted:Yeah, I definitely reach out to people and solicit their advice just so I can then brush them off. I’m sure that is what Joe Biden is doing. you mean the exact thing biden has done over and over since taking office? remember the gop delegations he invited to talk about the ara? Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Jun 3, 2021 |
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Pobrecito posted:Yeah, I definitely reach out to people and solicit their advice just so I can then brush them off. I’m sure that is what Joe Biden is doing. The administration hasn't done anything to signal a change in its policy priorities so I doubt they care about Summers any more than they did when decided to not give him a job.
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someone, quick go set up bernie with a mastodon account
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Pobrecito posted:Yeah, I definitely reach out to people and solicit their advice just so I can then brush them off. I’m sure that is what Joe Biden is doing. You mean the thing that GOP members have been complaining that he's done to them many times? Yeah it kinda sounds like him.
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I can think of four tones a Biden-Summers call (given the description of the call from Stein - "Biden asked Summers to explain his critiques, which have led to increasingly bitter dispute w/ WH aides") could've taken, from coolest to least cool: A. "God drat it Larry, shut the gently caress up or I'm going to have the FBI go around and interview every woman under 40 that you've had any interaction with in the last 10 years." B. "Larry, this poo poo is making all the Harvard guys here complain nonstop, I'm trying to keep everyone on the same page here and you're not helping." C. "Larry, I know you're one of the smartest guys I know, and you're a straight shooter, but darn it, Yellin and Walsh and Raimondo keep telling me you've got it wrong; I'm inclined to listen to them but why don't you tell me why they're wrong?" D. "I am calling you, Larry Summers, because I think your opinion has value and I will be factoring it in my decision making process." In order of likelihood, I would put these C, B, D, A. (Also, I think Biden is so conditioned by four decades of Senate back-slapping that if he tried to do "B" it would come out as "C" anyway). Summers is someone Biden has worked with a lot and has known a long time, and somebody who has broadly speaking been an ally, so when somebody like that starts savaging you in the press it's reasonable to call and ask them why they're doing this.
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If Summers is gonna stay in the news, this content may be useful. The Tax Policy Center is featuring an article comparing and contrasting Biden's tax proposals during the campaign and current* proposals that is pretty granular. https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/feature/where-president-biden-stands-tax-policy *n.b annoyingly, despite being a featured article for them, this does not yet appear to have been updated on the basis of the budget last week. Separately, I'll mention that Howard Gleckman, the world's only honest deficit hawk, has a piece up at the Tax Policy Center complaining about how the deficit will likely be even bigger than Biden's budget suggests. https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/deficit-likely-be-bigger-biden-projects-not-because-rosy-economic-forecast I mention it not because I agree with Gleckman's sentiment, but because it includes a useful explanation of ways Congress is likely to deviate from the proposal and because it includes the concession that the projections in it, as stated, seem sound. Gleckman serves as a useful point of departure for when more loony deficit scolds come out and start lying.
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1400294276735528964 Has this been posted yet? How is it possible that Gaetz making this worse for himself? I mean I guess sometimes people are just dumb, but still.
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Sax Mortar posted:Has this been posted yet? How is it possible that Gaetz making this worse for himself? I mean I guess sometimes people are just dumb, but still. quote:The obstruction inquiry stems from a phone call the witness had with Gaetz’s ex-girlfriend. At some point during the conversation, the ex-girlfriend patched Gaetz into the call, sources said. While it’s unknown exactly what was said, the discussion on that call is central to whether prosecutors can charge Gaetz with obstructing justice, which makes it illegal to suggest that a witness in a criminal case lie or give misleading testimony. Gaetz apparently isn't the only dumb one in this story.
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Sax Mortar posted:Has this been posted yet? How is it possible that Gaetz making this worse for himself? I mean I guess sometimes people are just dumb, but still. He already thinks that he can get away with it--that's why.
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eviltastic posted:Gaetz apparently isn't the only dumb one in this story. i wonder if this ex-girlfriend is the sibling of nestor?
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Rea posted:https://twitter.com/verge/status/1400548625646854144 Oh so does this mean that they can start algorithimically banning the bigots or what
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If the feds were investigating me for any reason, whether I was guilty or not, I would immediately get on my best behavior. The hubris of thinking you could sneak one past federal investigators while they are so far up your rear end they know about your colon cancer before your doctor does...it just boggles the mind.
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Obviously, Trump's gonna bail him out any second now. Any second now.
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Mellow Seas posted:I guess you could make the following argument: To me the reason Biden is handing it off to congress is not because he wants to appear as a "good cop," but because the insurrection had to do with certifying his election so he doesn't want to appear to be a dictator by having his administration directly go after people (wrongfully)challenging the legitimacy of it.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:i wonder if this ex-girlfriend is the sibling of nestor? With a huge asterisk, I don't think the timeframe works. Politico says he dated the ex in question 2017-2018, and Nestor was around in 2013. The huge asterisk being that my sources for that are Politico and Matt Gaetz, so who knows, seems plausible.
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That's good to hear. Is there likely to be anything done to Desantis about this?
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Josef bugman posted:That's good to hear. Is there likely to be anything done to Desantis about this? Unlikely, but DeSantis had her arrested and her equipment taken, so hopefully at least this will help her in that front.
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Froghammer posted:I'm sorry what https://www.npr.org/2020/12/08/944200394/florida-agents-raid-home-of-rebekah-jones-former-state-data-scientist Yup.
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I always assumed that what really happened was that after being fired, she posted a goodbye message (or maybe an angry goodbye message) on the internal Slack before her access was removed. But I haven't really followed up on the case. Anyone know what she's actually accused of doing?
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Froghammer posted:I'm sorry what Ron Destantis arrested the scientist telling the truth about Covid in Florida as she was releasing data. Months later places like CNN or others ran stories about how Florida recovered from the pandemic and rose like a Phoenix and poo poo so was Desantis right? Without reference to the arrest of that lady. Example https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/03/17/politics/ron-desantis-covid-florida/index.html Gatts fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jun 3, 2021 |
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I always assumed that what really happened was that after being fired, she posted a goodbye message (or maybe an angry goodbye message) on the internal Slack before her access was removed. They siezed her personal equipment, so unlikely. DeSantis was also going well out of his way to silence critics of his cover up of the COVID statistics. https://twitter.com/GeoRebekah/status/1336065787900145665?s=20
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Gatts posted:Ron Destantis arrested the scientist telling the truth about Covid in Florida as she was releasing data. Yeah CNN did a HARD pivot once Trump left to basically being a just this side of nuts right wing place that was posting such hard hitting think pieces like "Was DeSantis right all along?" and poo poo, it was loving gross as gently caress, even for them. And yeah, not a peep about the lady who was arrested for trying to tell the truth.
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Yeah every time I saw that "Florida Miracle" poo poo I was like what data are they using because Desantis was straight up arresting people for tracking covid cases
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Herstory Begins Now posted:may my reign be nasty, brutish, and short Didn't take long to get a redtext did it?
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Getting really tired of this nonsense https://twitter.com/garretthaake/status/1400572523985747976?s=21 It was what, a week ago that Manchin’s promised 10 votes from the GOP didn’t come to pass on the 1/6 bill?
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Jaxyon posted:Yeah every time I saw that "Florida Miracle" poo poo I was like what data are they using because Desantis was straight up arresting people for tracking covid cases Got to set up the horse races early and show you are balanced by ignoring negative press.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It was what, a week ago that Manchin’s promised 10 votes from the GOP didn’t come to pass on the 1/6 bill? It does seem weird that so many of the people doing the voting for large sections of the populace seem to be toddlers and possess no object permanence.
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