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flashy_mcflash posted:Aw, Marty and Sarah Love... Each Other Legit didn't know they weren't married
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Big chaotic energy from “Retro” B+V
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can't articulate how much i appreciate the blues song intro to the retro B&V show
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miss bryans love of the blues they gave the shows a good opening vibe
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Suplex Liberace posted:miss bryans love of the blues they gave the shows a good opening vibe He realised a lot of his favourite old songs were hella sexist or racist.
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Lightnin’ Hopkins owns
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Gaz-L posted:He realised a lot of his favourite old songs were hella sexist or racist. What happens first Bryan playing Someone In Back or Oh Susanna by accident?
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Gaz-L posted:He realised a lot of his favourite old songs were hella sexist or racist. Also I think his video uploads would get DMCA'd when it had music in them.
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Seams posted:Lightnin’ Hopkins owns It is in fact a sin to be rich but a low down shame to be poor.
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I don't understand business stuff. Bryan thinks WWE is setting itself up to sell. Sell to who? Why? Vince won't own it anymore?
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NikkolasKing posted:I don't understand business stuff. Probably NBC Universal, possibly another large conglomerate looking to pad out their digital library. Because Capitalism. He doesn't even fully own it now. This would be pulling off the bandaid.
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NikkolasKing posted:I don't understand business stuff. I don't understand business stuff either but this is my interpretation of the stuff I've heard and I think I'm being accurate. The most likely buyer would be NBC Universal, since they own USA Network and Peacock, they're already giving WWE a lot of money, so it makes sense. Vince wouldn't own it any more but he'd probably still have a lot of stock and could be kept on to run the thing. They could concievably get rid of him if they wanted to, but they probably wouldn't, it doesn't really make sense to value the WWE enough to buy it and then get rid of the guy who built it and is in charge of everything. Concievably, Disney could buy it, or ViacomCBS, as well. WWE's dream scenario would be to have two or more of these media conglomerates outbidding each other.
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NikkolasKing posted:I don't understand business stuff. Vince is the majority shareholder, but it's a public company. Any sale of WWE would require the shareholders agreeing by vote to sell at a given price - shareholders will likely get some amount of the new company's stock in exchange (at a ratio such their value is roughly the same as what it was at the time of sale). You'll be shocked to discover that the way the shares are set up, Vince's vote is the only one that actually matters.
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Endless Mike posted:Vince is the majority shareholder, but it's a public company. Any sale of WWE would require the shareholders agreeing by vote to sell at a given price - shareholders will likely get some amount of the new company's stock in exchange (at a ratio such their value is roughly the same as what it was at the time of sale). You'll be shocked to discover that the way the shares are set up, Vince's vote is the only one that actually matters. That's not true! Steph and Hunter's votes matter a teensy bit!
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Gaz-L posted:That's not true! Steph and Hunter's votes matter a teensy bit! trips opens up the lockbox containing his stock certificates and there just a note in there that reads Ha Ha -Nick
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Gaz-L posted:That's not true! Steph and Hunter's votes matter a teensy bit! Not really. The most recent breakdown I can find is from 2016, when Vince owned 48% of stock, but that translated to over 70% of voting power. They've all traded stock since then, so that's definitely changed some, but I would be legitimately shocked if Vince hasn't maintained enough of the original ownership stock (Class B? I forget) to hold onto at least 50%+1 votes, which is all that matters.
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Endless Mike posted:Not really. The most recent breakdown I can find is from 2016, when Vince owned 48% of stock, but that translated to over 70% of voting power. They've all traded stock since then, so that's definitely changed some, but I would be legitimately shocked if Vince hasn't maintained enough of the original ownership stock (Class B? I forget) to hold onto at least 50%+1 votes, which is all that matters. I really just meant that the family have all the special stock that has like 10 times the voting weight. And wanted to dunk on H.
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Gaz-L posted:That's not true! Steph and Hunter's votes matter a teensy bit! Teensy being the operative word. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5ErRxgbzjQ&t=107s
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Endless Mike posted:Not really. The most recent breakdown I can find is from 2016, when Vince owned 48% of stock, but that translated to over 70% of voting power. They've all traded stock since then, so that's definitely changed some, but I would be legitimately shocked if Vince hasn't maintained enough of the original ownership stock (Class B? I forget) to hold onto at least 50%+1 votes, which is all that matters. Apparently when he sells voting class shares to someone else, they become non-voting shares automatically
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El Generico posted:They could concievably get rid of him if they wanted to, but they probably wouldn't, it doesn't really make sense to value the WWE enough to buy it and then get rid of the guy who built it and is in charge of everything. That's what Ted Turner did to JCP. I don't think Jim Crockett Jr lasted a year after Turner bought WCW.
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https://youtu.be/QOSJwSwPuR8 an official F4W song i guess. loving I don't know how to embed YouTube videos on here but it's a song by mega ran and some other guy about Omega and Okada doing a rap battle or something and Kenny Omega intros the song. it's uploaded on the official f4w YouTube. thought it was meh at best. SexMetalBarbie fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Jun 3, 2021 |
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IceAgeComing posted:Apparently when he sells voting class shares to someone else, they become non-voting shares automatically Brandon Thurston updated his guide to the shares and voting power in March; Vince's 38% ownership of the stock ends up translating to 81% of the voting power: https://wrestlenomics.com/2020/09/23/who-owns-wwe-a-look-at-world-wrestling-entertainments-major-shareholders-2021/ So he'd have to sell off a LOT to lost majority voting power. davidbix fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Jun 3, 2021 |
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Dango Bango posted:Did Dave sneak in a 90210 reference in today's WOR? I do believe he did. And if there was any doubt the man was clearly not cowed by Miro's misguided attempt at intimidation.
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I just happened to flip over to Twitch and F4WVideo is going live for the B&V show again. Is this going to be a recurring thing now that Vinny's back in-person? e: Turns out the Twitch stream was impromptu. But they're adding a $9.99 video tier to see live episodes of stuff as well. (Still doing WOL and post-PPV reviews on Twitch too.) Dango Bango fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Jun 4, 2021 |
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They uploaded a short video about Lance talking about the WWE cut, but the best part of the video is the bonus stuff after: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZRZP-_Y1Ms
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Davros1 posted:That's what Ted Turner did to JCP. I don't think Jim Crockett Jr lasted a year after Turner bought WCW. God, I want to be hopeful about this kind of scenario, I really do.
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Davros1 posted:That's what Ted Turner did to JCP. I don't think Jim Crockett Jr lasted a year after Turner bought WCW.
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Didn't Crockett Jr. and Dusty piss away a bunch of money and goodwill that lead to the sale? Seems like it would make sense to keep him far away from anything important.
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Crockett was the one who had the experience at actually promoting a wrestling company. As long as Turner held the purse strings, it was a good idea to keep him around.
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TheKingslayer posted:Didn't Crockett Jr. and Dusty piss away a bunch of money and goodwill that lead to the sale? Seems like it would make sense to keep him far away from anything important. As an example I believe at one point Dusty insisted they have "a Dallas office" despite never running shows there because at the time WCCW still had it locked up.
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IceAgeComing posted:Apparently when he sells voting class shares to someone else, they become non-voting shares automatically They change from 10 votes per share to 1 vote per share.
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I don't get this Dave Meltzer segment I'm listening to on Andrade saying that fans weren't excited for him and it might be a sign that people don't want prelim guys from WWE and he got a small reaction and the Vicky thing no longer works. I feel like I watched a completely different segment Vicky was getting so much heat that the fans didn't even hear who she had announced and then he got an okay reaction for limited capacity at like 10:30 on a Friday night after they'd already watched two and a half hours all I've seen online is people excited that Andrade is here not one person has said oh man they're signing WWE mid carders because everyone with a brain understands that the guy could have been more of a mid-carder if the company wasn't loving stupid. this is Dave take seems really off base Garrett agreeing with him being like I think the Vicky stuff people are tired of it while it got some of the most heat on the show as she always does. just a stupid take all around e: he ain't going to out work Rey Fenix he's just not but he's going to have to be close that's the comparison - Dave. yeah that's the comparison if you're some weird racist who can only compare the Mexican wrestlers to each other, see: WWE. SexMetalBarbie fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Jun 5, 2021 |
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also Garrett Gonzalez, saying that Jericho said this was the best wrestling in the world today and if the best wrestling in the world has the hire people WWE fired how does that look. my dude wrestling isn't real this isn't like Andrade was shoot losing fights and now for some weird reason this other fight company is picking him up anyway any single person watching aew knows that WWE underutilizes people and probably has a list of who is being underutilized. companies are allowed to hire people from WWE and you're an idiot if you complain about that.
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SexMetalBarbie posted:
Dave was saying it would be cool to have an old-school masked luchador as a top guy in the context of Andrade not putting on the Sombra mask again. He points to Fenix as an example because, get this, Fenix is a masked luchador who has been pushed as a top guy (main events against Kenny, etc) Separately, he was saying that Andrade has to be motivated and work hard to make it in AEW because it's a workrate promotion.
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flashy_mcflash posted:Dave was saying it would be cool to have an old-school masked luchador as a top guy in the context of Andrade not putting on the Sombra mask again. He points to Fenix as an example because, get this, Fenix is a masked luchador who has been pushed as a top guy (main events against Kenny, etc) that's absolutely not the moment I'm quoting, yes there is a moment where he ponders if Andrade should have had the mask and then he says it'd be cool to have a masked main event but I guess they have Pentagon and Fenix that's fine towards the end of the Andrade talk he says that Andrade is going to have to be good and he's not as good as Fenix but he's going to have to be close because that's the comparison. two different moments One he made an okay point one he made a loving lovely point. the fact that he thinks the natural comparison for Andrade is Fenix is the lovely thing here.
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Maybe he made the comparison because he was just talking about Fenix a minute prior? Like that's the most insane reason to ascribe racism to that comment.
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It is a weird comparison as Andrade doesn't really work like Fenix. He's a little like Penta, I suppose but frankly I think he's most like PAC or Kenny
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Gaz-L posted:It is a weird comparison as Andrade doesn't really work like Fenix. He's a little like Penta, I suppose but frankly I think he's most like PAC or Kenny I don't think he was talking about style there, he was talking about the level of effort required to set yourself apart in AEW and Fenix is probably the high bar for that. I think it was in contrast to a guy like Braun who would almost certainly try to walk into the company and coast on his name/look without putting the work in to improve in the ring.
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