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willroc7 posted:Looking nationwide using that site (thanks, btw) and on rennlist, there is absolutely nothing at the $22k price point without a soft top. Even then, it’s slim pickings. If I don’t take a chance on this once, even though it’s not perfect, I’m afraid I’ll miss my chance at owning one. Are you guys seeing something else? if you're serious about this porsche ownership thing I think you have to consider extending your budget, and if that isn't possible I think you should reconsider.
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willroc7 posted:Looking nationwide using that site (thanks, btw) and on rennlist, there is absolutely nothing at the $22k price point without a soft top. Even then, it’s slim pickings. If I don’t take a chance on this once, even though it’s not perfect, I’m afraid I’ll miss my chance at owning one. Are you guys seeing something else? At the risk of heresy, they simply aren't worth that much especially considering how many good sports cars are out there now, even within the Porsche family. I almost ended up with an Evora or FI 86/BRZ/FR-S before jumping on the turbo, mostly because they were bottoming out and I got a great deal. I had almost the same criteria of a exotic/sporty car with a rear seat and if I had to do it in today's market, I'd have ended up with a pre-modified forced induction 86 twin for sure. quick example: https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145286 Related to the 968 talk earlier, I could also never justify another one with how crazy the prices have gone up when the current successor to the 944/968 mold is the 86. Jymmybob fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Jun 4, 2021 |
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:if you're serious about this porsche ownership thing I think you have to consider extending your budget, and if that isn't possible I think you should reconsider. That adage about cheap Porsches being expensive is a cliche, but has cliche status because there's a lot of truth to it. If a 911 is your cheapest option because of its dodgy vibes, it's likely because those dodgy vibes will cost you serious money in the medium/long term. You can try it if you want to gamble, but people who are stretching to afford one are precisely the people who shouldn't gamble
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BlackMK4 posted:That front bumper match is ungodly bad Looking at it on my computer. LMAO it is truly atrocious. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:if you're serious about this porsche ownership thing I think you have to consider extending your budget, and if that isn't possible I think you should reconsider. Don't give yourself the artificial limitations. Heaven forbid, you don't get a 911, the earth will still turn and the sun will rise. One thing my 48 years on the planet has told me, you will find something else to spend money on. Or this Elephanthead posted:Do it and sell willric you 996. Bing bang boom a AI success story
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got off on a technicality posted:That adage about cheap Porsches being expensive is a cliche, but has cliche status because there's a lot of truth to it. If a 911 is your cheapest option because of its dodgy vibes, it's likely because those dodgy vibes will cost you serious money in the medium/long term. You can try it if you want to gamble, but people who are stretching to afford one are precisely the people who shouldn't gamble I'm currently at the point where over 3 years I've spent about 50% of the purchase price of my E39 in maintenance and repairs. Granted, there was a lot of deferred poo poo that needed to be done - but that's exactly what you would also get with a bottom-end 996.
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987.1 Cayman S, motorsport AOS or regular and carry a spare? I'm likely buying a higher mileage, dealer maintained, 2006 CS today and putting together a list of things to do right away. There's a slim chance I'll be headed to the track in July so while I'm doing an oil change I'm going to put on a baffled deeper sump and replace the AOS.
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If you think you are going to track it then put the Motorsport AOS on. Going to do all the other usual things like the GT3 brake ducts?KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I'm currently at the point where over 3 years I've spent about 50% of the purchase price of my E39 in maintenance and repairs. Granted, there was a lot of deferred poo poo that needed to be done - but that's exactly what you would also get with a bottom-end 996. This is why when it comes to anything even mildly exotic I want to see the service history and steer clear of anything that looks like it has been thrashed. Rennlist and high end dealers who take the cars in on trade and are my usual places to look. Both my Boxsters have come from high end dealers (Porsche for the 986 and Audi for 987) where they had full service history either with the dealer or a specialist with a good rep. I got lucky both times since they came up close to me just when I was looking. No one here is saying don’t buy a cheap 996, I believe we are all saying it might cost a lot more than the asking price in the end and to keep that in mind. Buying your dream car and getting a dog is the worst thing and I had it happen to me with an R32 GTR. That is a long story but it really put we off Skylines for a bit until I found a well taken care of one after having to offload the first for parts and taking a bath on it. I will probably get another R32 GTR in the future when I have space to store more cars but I know it will be a long search as most were trashed in Japan before making their way to the US where they were likely trashed some more. BigPaddy fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Jun 4, 2021 |
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BigPaddy posted:If you think you are going to track it then put the Motorsport AOS on. Going to do all the other usual things like the GT3 brake ducts? I'll be doing the whole list of track stuff before I go to dedicated track tires. If I run it in July I'd be on basic performance street tires, might do the 3rd radiator as well since it'll be hot as hell. Sounds like CMP turn 12 has a reputation as a M96/97 killer.
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BigPaddy posted:Buying your dream car and getting a dog is the worst thing and I had it happen to me with an R32 GTR. That is a long story but it really put we off Skylines for a bit until I found a well taken care of one after having to offload the first for parts and taking a bath on it. yeah man that sucks big time, sorry that happened to you!
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BigPaddy posted:If you think you are going to track it then put the Motorsport AOS on. Going to do all the other usual things like the GT3 brake ducts? It does at least have good records. Plugs, coils, ims, rms, AOS and water pump in the last 2.5 years… It definitely doesn’t look thrashed to me. Owned currently by a mid 50’s porschephile debt collector lawyer.
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I have to make the call today. Honestly I’m torn. My gut, friends, family, and my own market research is telling me to buy. But the thread consensus is against it, and I do value that as much or more than the other factors… I’m no expert.
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willroc7 posted:I have to make the call today. Honestly I’m torn. My gut, friends, family, and my own market research is telling me to buy. But the thread consensus is against it, and I do value that as much or more than the other factors… I’m no expert. Do you have another $10k to put into this car in the next 1-2 years? If no, you can't afford a cheap 911. This is what the bulk of the thread has been trying to tell you, has actually asked, and you don't want to answer. Because it will likely cement the thread's opinion on the thing you very obviously are going to do anyway.
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Motronic posted:Do you have another $10k to put into this car in the next 1-2 years? If no, you can't afford a cheap 911. This is what the bulk of the thread has been trying to tell you, has actually asked, and you don't want to answer. Because it will likely cement the thread's opinion on the thing you very obviously are going to do anyway. In the next 1-2 years? Yes, I could. It would certainly tighten my purse strings a bit but I could afford it. If it needs 10k in work next week, that would be a problem.
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willroc7 posted:In the next 1-2 years? Yes, I could. It would certainly tighten my purse strings a bit but I could afford it. If it needs 10k in work next week, that would be a problem. It very well could. Or it could need nothing. Or it could need $5k in 2 months. These are the dice you are rolling. And the result could come up much better or much worse.
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Maybe I am a bad enthusiast but I don't think there's a (toy) car on earth that is worth significant belt tightening in other areas of your life, let alone one that exposes you to real financial risk.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Maybe I am a bad enthusiast but I don't think there's a (toy) car on earth that is worth significant belt tightening in other areas of your life, let alone one that exposes you to real financial risk. Same. I've owned a lot of toy cars in my time, but never anything that would put my finances at risk. I've certainly rolled the dice on things, but even the worst outcome would have left me at "dammit, that sucked" not belt-tightening.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I'm currently at the point where over 3 years I've spent about 50% of the purchase price of my E39 in maintenance and repairs. Granted, there was a lot of deferred poo poo that needed to be done - but that's exactly what you would also get with a bottom-end 996. Weren't E39s pretty cheap a few years back? I keep on looking at them and wondering if I could find the garage space... KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Maybe I am a bad enthusiast but I don't think there's a (toy) car on earth that is worth significant belt tightening in other areas of your life, let alone one that exposes you to real financial risk. Same. Same.
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Can you find a decent cayman/boxster for your budget willroc? Or are you stuck on a 911 due to emotional reasons (which is valid)?
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We've pitched the boxster idea to him a few times earlier in this thread especially since he was considering a 911 cab but he really wants a 911. Re the expense, mine has been quite reliable but I still probably spent approx 2-3k over the past few years on mostly maintenance (not including rubber which I bought early on) but I've done all the work myself. If I paid someone to do the work it would have been 2-3x that I suspect. And it hasn't been anything crazy major, AOS was the biggest.
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I wish to be able to put my small children, temporarily, in the back. If this falls through though, I may end up boxster shopping, defeated and dirty. I called the mechanic who has been working on the car for this guy, John Jennens out of Car Port LLC, who comes recommended by some porsche club people. He said the car hasn't had many issues (water pump, mainly) but any that it did have were all fixed by him. He also said 1 quart per 4k is not something to worry about or any indication of bore scoring, even with the IMS/RMS/AOS done. Porsche's spec is under 1 quart per 1k (lol). He was surprised the seller was getting rid of it as he seemed to really like the car.
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willroc7 posted:I wish to be able to put my small children, temporarily, in the back. If this falls through though, I may end up boxster shopping, defeated and dirty. Just buy it. Take us for the ride with you.
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Buy it and worst case scenario sell it to Tyler Hoover for a profit since his gimmick is throwing money away.
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NitroSpazzz posted:I'll be doing the whole list of track stuff before I go to dedicated track tires. If I run it in July I'd be on basic performance street tires, might do the 3rd radiator as well since it'll be hot as hell. Sounds like CMP turn 12 has a reputation as a M96/97 killer. Keep your revs down for long high-G turns if you don't have all your track mods done yet. I forget whether it's left or right turns that do it Also if it's a hot day you should check and top off your power steering fluid, especially if running track tires. The 987 has been known to eat a little fluid
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Residency Evil posted:Same. Same. If my 987 had blown up at the track or I'd put it into a wall, it would have really really sucked financially for me. Not saying that was a rational call but I can sympathize with the urge to spend stupid/ unaffordable $ on cars
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willroc7 posted:I wish to be able to put my small children, temporarily, in the back. If this falls through though, I may end up boxster shopping, defeated and dirty. I think you'll be fine with it as is especially if it has a clean history from a reputable mechanic. My 996tt was similar in that it was looked over by a dealer that was aware of it for a few years. I'll also agree with slidebite in that mines been super reliable with less than $1000 total in repairs and maintenance over the past 5 years. Basically expensive oil changes and a blown accumulator.
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meatpimp posted:Just buy it. Take us for the ride with you. 
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Well, if you do it I genuinely hope it meets or exceeds your expectations. Good luck whatever your decision is.
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2004 Boxster S, makes a shorts but very audible rattling noise *every* time it passes 1500 rpm going up. In every gear and at every speed, just always at 1500 rpm. Except when revving it in neutral. Any particular heat shield or something that comes to mind for anyone? Having limited abilities to lift it up and look right now.
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Good luck willroc  Nidhg00670000 posted:2004 Boxster S, makes a shorts but very audible rattling noise *every* time it passes 1500 rpm going up. In every gear and at every speed, just always at 1500 rpm. Except when revving it in neutral. Any particular heat shield or something that comes to mind for anyone? Having limited abilities to lift it up and look right now. Similar thing happened to me in my Cayman; engine cover under the insulating pad behind the seats was slightly loose and resonating at a specific RPM. Drove me insane
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slidebite posted:Well, if you do it I genuinely hope it meets or exceeds your expectations. Thank you I hope it does too. And if it doesn't, I'll throw it on BaT. I think it will fetch 25k+ on there with a couple minor items addressed.
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willroc7 posted:I have to make the call today.  Now I need to decide if I do a fly-n-drive with my Dad, 2400mi and 36hr, or have it shipped. 
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NitroSpazzz posted:Buy it then we can be June 4th Porsche buying buds I did a fly-and-drive from NE Ohio to Houston with my ex-wife to pick up a coupe quattro back in the early '90s. I think the relationship permanently fractured during the ride back and I had the car for a lot longer than I had to be around her.  I still recommend fly-and-drive, though, since you get to actually see the car with your own eyes before the deal is fully settled.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Just don't let the cost of the flight be the reason you don't walk. This is what happened to me with the lovely R32 GTR, I took a train to go look at it and couldn’t be arsed getting a train back so bought it because hey it was a well known importer/parts dealer so he wouldn’t sell me a pup right? I was younger and more naive to say the least.
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I only did a fly and drive once. Turned around after 5 minutes of looking at it. Got a little hosed over buying a last minute ticket for a flight home, but still better than making a mistake. I did make the guy drive me to the airport as penance for not being truthful to me... so that saved me $50 at least.
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I've only done it once, I flew to Albuquerque, NM on a Halloween night to buy a 2006 Triumph 675. I rode home 6hr in sub-40* weather without cold weather gear, I tucked up behind semi trucks most of the way out the i40 to Winslow, Az but it was still absolutely loving brutal. Down the 87 to Phoenix was dark as gently caress, deer, rain, and snow on the side of the road. Probably shouldn't have done that; I couldn't just get a hotel because I had to work in the morning. Anyway, what I'm saying is even if it is a poo poo-show it'll be a fun memory in a five years. Worth. BlackMK4 fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Jun 4, 2021 |
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slidebite posted:I only did a fly and drive once. Turned around after 5 minutes of looking at it. Got a little hosed over buying a last minute ticket for a flight home, but still better than making a mistake. Good on you for actually flying back. That might be the first time I've heard of someone actually accomplishing that. I did a fly-and-drive for my 2007 Audi S4 6MT w/ 36k on the clock 5 years ago. It was a quick jaunt over to washington DC from NE Ohio though, so not terribly far. I was pleased as punch with the car, so I had no issue sealing the deal and driving it back. I did get a flat on the return trip the PA turn pike, did my first ever road side spare change with the widowmaker jack, and finished the journey. In that way I felt like I had earned it, a bit. Hoping for a less eventful return trip on this one. In the end, I'm trying to fill the void left by selling the S4, lol. Current plan is to drive the 2 hours out on Monday, pick up the car and take it to the same mechanic for a look at it up on the lift. I know it's a bit of a conflict of interest with the seller already being his customer, but there aren't many porsche mechanics in the area in general, he has a good reputation among PCoA, and he happens to have availability at the right time. I can't haul the wife and kids out for that whole shenanigans so I will return Tuesday with them to collect the car, assuming nothing crazy come up on the PPI. I do have half a mind to skip the Monday trip and PPI, having talked to the mechanic already, but I have the weekend to think on that. NitroSpazzz posted:Buy it then we can be June 4th Porsche buying buds At least I'm not the only one buying the top  . That's a long drive back. Personally, I'd probably have it shipped.
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slidebite posted:I only did a fly and drive once. Turned around after 5 minutes of looking at it. Got a little hosed over buying a last minute ticket for a flight home, but still better than making a mistake. I did it once to get a W210 E55 on a fly then drive trip and the dealer sold it out from under me even with a deposit because I guess they didn't think I was actually coming. In retrospect it worked out because I was trying to fill a hole left by my previous E55 (but now in the incredible tectite gray) and the B8 S4 I ended up with was way better but I was mad about cars for a solid year.
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