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Relatedly I've been playing a little more Tales of Hearts R and was surprised to see that Gall wasn't in the original, because he fits in real well. I guess that game got pretty heavily reworked, though.
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My only beef with Marie is that the game tries to push her as being more important than Nanako during the final boss, but other than that she’s alright.
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Jun 4, 2021 13:19
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Barudak posted:The only bad add on character is the one from tales of vesperia; all her dialog being no sequitors and her not remotely being integrated into the scenes she appears is a minor quibble in the face of her making the dreadful story of tales of vesperia even longer to get through
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Jun 4, 2021 13:28
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kirbysuperstar posted:Relatedly I've been playing a little more Tales of Hearts R and was surprised to see that Gall wasn't in the original, because he fits in real well. Chalcedony's subplot also got rewritten. It's a rather substantial remake, not just a port/upgraded version.
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Jun 4, 2021 13:29
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anakha posted:Cloud in FFT is an example of a pointless add-on which I think is worse than a badly-integrated one. Idk, I guess technically he’s pointless but Final Fantasy VI made an optional boss from V a secret party member who had literally nothing to add to the narrative of VI so it’s not like it was super out of place even back then given VII’s success. He’s definitely intergraded pretty horribly though, like to the point where making him usable almost sounds like those old General Leo guides.
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Jun 4, 2021 14:11
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I never played vanilla P4, only Golden and I liked Marie
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Jun 4, 2021 14:12
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Honestly, I just think Marie adds nothing to the dynamic/themes of the game. She absolutely does not fit the aesthetic of the game and her social link and place in the story are a big whatever. She's clunkily written into the main plot, being ignoreable for 80% of the game but yet is super important for the last 20%. Going with the Vesperia example, imagine having Patty around but you also need to use her in your party or else you don't have access to arc 3.
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Jun 4, 2021 14:24
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I mean regardless of using her or not Patty still exists in scenes and has her whloe subplot that you go through (there might be parts that are optional but not the full thing). Which isn't really that different from Marie, except Marie's story is all backloaded. And I mean Adachi is a character that is super ignoreable for 80% of the game but way important for the last 20%. I don't think that's necessarily something that ruins a character.
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Tired Moritz posted:Honestly, I just think Marie adds nothing to the dynamic/themes of the game. She absolutely does not fit the aesthetic of the game and her social link and place in the story are a big whatever. She's clunkily written into the main plot, being ignoreable for 80% of the game but yet is super important for the last 20%. I never got very far in P4G but that would actively make Vesperia more interesting so
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Jun 4, 2021 14:58
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Actually it wouldn't do anything because you (and by you i mean me) already have patty in the active party 100% of the time when she's available
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Jun 4, 2021 15:06
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Barudak posted:The only bad add on character is the one from tales of vesperia; all her dialog being no sequitors and her not remotely being integrated into the scenes she appears is a minor quibble in the face of her making the dreadful story of tales of vesperia even longer to get through half of the party of vesperia are badly integrated into scenes though
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Jun 4, 2021 15:08
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Amppelix posted:Actually it wouldn't do anything because you (and by you i mean me) already have patty in the active party 100% of the time when she's available The active party is for people whose dialog connects to what other people are saying, sorry entire cast of Chrono Cross
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Jun 4, 2021 15:09
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i think patty is okay because she gets some sort of funny dialog sometimes and that's more than a lot of people in vesperia get for long stretches. and her scenes aren't like all that long in the grand scheme i'll take a couple wacky patty comedy routines over whatever that back half of act 2 was
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The Colonel posted:i think patty is okay because she gets some sort of funny dialog sometimes and that's more than a lot of people in vesperia get for long stretches. and her scenes aren't like all that long in the grand scheme Hey now, if we're allowed to remove things from Vesperia the entire game would end with act 1 and it would he the story of Yuri getting Estelle and Rita to date. Maybe there would be fighting but ugh, why not just cut that godawful combat instead of trying to rework it
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Jun 4, 2021 15:14
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i'd just replace the combat with graces f
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Jun 4, 2021 15:19
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i dont understand how marie doesnt fit the aesthetic of persona 4. like i guess her clothes are more chic than the clothes the kids out in the sticks would wear but its not like shes wearing some outfit that no human being ever would, its pretty normal japanese city street fashion for the early 2010s, which is when p4 takes place.
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Jun 4, 2021 15:32
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Endorph posted:i dont understand how marie doesnt fit the aesthetic of persona 4. like i guess her clothes are more chic than the clothes the kids out in the sticks would wear but its not like shes wearing some outfit that no human being ever would, its pretty normal japanese city street fashion for the early 2010s, which is when p4 takes place. She's got a cool hat
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Jun 4, 2021 15:33
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persona 6 needs a party member that dresses like this guy
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Jun 4, 2021 15:34
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Endorph posted:persona 6 needs a party member that dresses like this guy The new MK palette swap ninja looks cool
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Jun 4, 2021 15:35
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just bring back baofu tbh and ulala, and maya... just bring back the p2 cast tbh
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Jun 4, 2021 15:38
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i beat mega man star force yesterday and my final addendum is that i wish i'd started it a few days later than i did cause the vanilla game kind of sucks to play and tired me out towards the end, and that dx hack someone released at the end of last month looks like it fixes literally every major problem i have with the game short of its shifted combat perspective and lack of movement options compared to bn
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Jun 4, 2021 15:39
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Leraika posted:baofu heh
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Jun 4, 2021 15:45
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I liked Marie except for her main plot stuff. If she'd just been a new weirdo chilling in Inaba you could befriend I'd have no complaints. But her main plot stuff was awkward and while Izanami in the original was too out of nowhere in some ways I thought that was better than what Golden added.
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Jun 4, 2021 16:28
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Pablo Nergigante posted:She's got a cool hat It is an awesome hat and she looks so weird without it in the Golden Ending. Also people haven't mentioned how Marie has an unbelievably good voice-actress and several best in the game music tracks associated with her.
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Jun 4, 2021 16:45
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baofu deez nuts
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I wish Marie had been a Gundam
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i never played golden but i dont think og persona 4 is narratively cohesive enough for me to care about it adding a girl who writes goofy poetry into things. not like half the cast aren't already kinda one note with all their meaningful development shuffled into thirty minutes of the entire game
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Jun 4, 2021 17:39
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML9hBkE_ZPA earthbound translator found an old floppy disk from the game's development that had tons of scrapped ideas, unused code and comments from devs
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Endorph posted:the scenes where every character walks onscreen during her s-link so they can act like the whole party knows her and not just the protag are kind of goofy, but like, the party are all generally decent people so if yu had a friend they didn't know they'd be nice to them. i never really got the complaint that she was shoved down your throat, she has exactly as many scenes as every other s-link. granted her dungeon is kind of crap. You can skip other s links and still see the entire game. I think that's the core issue people usually have. I don't hate her but I don't like her and the game forces me to spend time with her, which sucks. Granted I don't like teddies or Yossuke or Yukio much either but at least they're party members. Last Celebration posted:to be honest I kinda figured the “ending” in the A/B route was implicitly that things cut out before the stuff that leads to C/D which is still a not great time for him. He probably doesn’t care much about being unpersoned to save Kaine in D though. Oh I know, I just think he basically gets what he wants there too. Acerbatus fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Jun 4, 2021 |
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RareAcumen posted:I wish Marie had been a Gundam Ok, what if all the characters were pilots and the demons you collect were mobile suits and the villain was char
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I actually think P4G is a worse game for my tastes than vanilla. I didn't like Marie, the bonus dungeon sucked, and the extra ending was pretty bad. Take all that away and what's left? Manual inheritance on fusion? That's cool and all but not really worth it There aren't really any P4 characters I love but at least most of them avoid my active dislike
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Barudak posted:Ok, what if all the characters were pilots and the demons you collect were mobile suits and the villain was char I have very little connection to any Gundam characters, I'm just saying they should bring back robots. As far as I know, aside from the first two games no Persona characters interact with ones from another games outside of being superbosses.
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Acerbatus posted:Maybe if you input your name wrong at the end? Never thought to try that. It just tells you that you hosed up, and makes you try again.
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I liked Maries goofy poetry. They nail that "super angsty teen with some talent" feel pretty well
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Going out at night is cool and the night music is cool and that's cool.
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Acerbatus posted:You can skip other s links and still see the entire game. I think that's the core issue people usually have.
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Jun 4, 2021 20:12
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If you don't do anyone's slink you haven't 'seen the whole game'
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Jun 4, 2021 20:25
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Nate RFB posted:Going out at night is cool and the night music is cool and that's cool. winter is also extremely good
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Sakurazuka posted:If you don't do anyone's slink you haven't 'seen the whole game' What Endorph posted:good news the extra dungeon locked behind marie's s. link sucks Never done it so I can't comment on it.
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Hwurmp posted:winter is also extremely good
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