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Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

Imagined posted:

I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here but it's funny that every company's password policy is basically the opposite of what all the research in the field says will produce the most secure passwords, i.e. the "must have capital letters, numbers, symbols, and you must change it every 30 days to one you've never used before" in practice guarantees that your employees will write that weird password down on a post-it note and stick it to their monitor, and expressly forbids what research says is the most secure type of password: a string of four or more random but easily remembered words like dickbuttgoatsex.

Changed the front door codes a few months ago. Everyone gets to choose a code. The actual requests: 6969, 8008135, 8008.

People, come on it's supposed to be hard to guess (Also I wanted 8008135)

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Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


I think my job is trolling me.

They send out emails with policy updates, using terms like "WITHOUT EXCEPTION" but then I go to do something they get upset that I didn't follow some bizarre list of excepts scattered around a half-dozen intranet sites.

As a person that wants to do their job perfectly and am constantly on tight deadlines, I legit feel like I'm going crazy.

WonkyBob
Jan 1, 2013

Holy shit, you own a skirt?!

Full Metal Jackass posted:

Just got an email from our CNO that someone got fired for charging HUNDREDS of unearned PTO hours. Our payroll system also requires leader approval for time exception like PTO. The email states the leader was approving the hours and didn't ensure the individual had accrued them. We get like 120 hours a year and cant roll it over so this leader is an absolute dipshit or in on the scam and gets no repercussion. I'm sure they'll be promoted soon.

Shocked that your system doesn't deduct them from a specific leave amount until it's reduced to zero so no further leave can be requested, I've never worked for a company that didn't. 120 hours a year seems really low, does this also mean you only get 15 days leave per year (going by 8 hours per day as a standard shift length)?

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Outrail posted:

Changed the front door codes a few months ago. Everyone gets to choose a code. The actual requests: 6969, 8008135, 8008.

People, come on it's supposed to be hard to guess (Also I wanted 8008135)

Its 0451 for the front door, actual good codes for all subsequent ones

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



WonkyBob posted:

Shocked that your system doesn't deduct them from a specific leave amount until it's reduced to zero so no further leave can be requested, I've never worked for a company that didn't. 120 hours a year seems really low, does this also mean you only get 15 days leave per year (going by 8 hours per day as a standard shift length)?

Do you live in the US? Because 3 months PTO is a lot here.

Tarkus
Aug 27, 2000

CaptainSarcastic posted:

Do you live in the US? Because 3 months PTO is a lot here.

120hrs is 3 weeks

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007

Tarkus posted:

120hrs is 3 weeks

Again, most Americans would kill for 3 weeks of paid leave per year. If you're American and currently have more than 3 weeks of paid leave per year, you're either a government employee or very fortunate. AFAIK 10 days paid leave per year is the average in the US, and that's an "average" with a whole lot of its subset having "zero".

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Tarkus posted:

120hrs is 3 weeks

:doh: That's what I get for posting before I'm awake.

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

Imagined posted:

Again, most Americans would kill for 3 weeks of paid leave per year. If you're American and currently have more than 3 weeks of paid leave per year, you're either a government employee or very fortunate. AFAIK 10 days paid leave per year is the average in the US, and that's an "average" with a whole lot of its subset having "zero".

For a sample, my workplace's setup is seniority based; 8 days at 0-3 years, 10 days at 3-5, 13 days 5+ years. Flat 3 sick days per year.

These are the best benefits I've ever had. They're quite good for my suburban-red-state area. They're also a complete joke objectively.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
My job doesn't pay as much as I could get in 100% private industry, but I'll never leave for the benefits alone. I'm at 2 weeks sick time + 3 weeks vacation + 10 federal holidays annually now.
In another couple of years I'll have 5 weeks annually.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007
My state hasn't seen a raise for state employees in almost 20 years and their insurance benefits have been frozen (and thus, shrinking every year) for almost 10. The only people left working for the state are people with young families who need the still relatively-generous leave benefits, or old people (literally) grandfathered into the good pension scheme (that was also frozen 30 years ago) who're trying to hold out for retirement.

Scientastic
Mar 1, 2010

TRULY scientastic.
🔬🍒


When I lived in America, I got 15 days paid leave a year, and the expectation was that I wouldn’t take it all.

My boss got very cross with me for taking a whole week over Christmas.

Samuel L. Hacksaw
Mar 26, 2007

Never Stop Posting
gently caress them take all your leave. It's part of your compensation if you're salary.

Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


My current job is the only one where I can take earned time off as I see fit. No one will pick up my slack so work just piles up when I'm away but at least I can take a long weekend without any hassle.
Before this we had to schedule time off 6 months in advance if it was more than two consecutive days.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

When chatting with some English relatives who weren't particularly left leaning and they were baffled with the idea of Americans getting zero guaranteed paid time off. Their minimum for full time workers starts at 5.6 weeks (including holidays, but still).

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Hyrax Attack! posted:

When chatting with some English relatives who weren't particularly left leaning and they were baffled with the idea of Americans getting zero guaranteed paid time off. Their minimum for full time workers starts at 5.6 weeks (including holidays, but still).

Tell them to keep voting Tory, so they can enjoy the same freedoms from socialism that we do!

Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


I seriously don't know how America isn't going to collapse hard under the yolk of extreme capitalism.
Sure the planet is probably gonna kill us off in a hundred years or so but this poo poo feels like it is going to pop before then.

Son of Rodney
Feb 22, 2006

ohmygodohmygodohmygod


Hyrax Attack! posted:

When chatting with some English relatives who weren't particularly left leaning and they were baffled with the idea of Americans getting zero guaranteed paid time off. Their minimum for full time workers starts at 5.6 weeks (including holidays, but still).

If you include holidays 8 weeks per year is standard in Germany. How do you guys live like that??

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

Son of Rodney posted:

If you include holidays 8 weeks per year is standard in Germany. How do you guys live like that??

Stressfully.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Inzombiac posted:

I seriously don't know how America isn't going to collapse hard under the yolk of extreme capitalism.

It already is collapsing, though, we're just watching it occur slowly and unevenly distributed geographically.

WonkyBob
Jan 1, 2013

Holy shit, you own a skirt?!

CaptainSarcastic posted:

Do you live in the US? Because 3 months PTO is a lot here.

Nope, I'm English. With the current place I get 25 days which was a downgrade from the last place which was 30. Our HR department even let us carry ten unused days over from last year due to Coronageddon so for 2021 it's 35.

Hyrax Attack! posted:

When chatting with some English relatives who weren't particularly left leaning and they were baffled with the idea of Americans getting zero guaranteed paid time off. Their minimum for full time workers starts at 5.6 weeks (including holidays, but still).

I too am a baffled English person because that genuinely sounds horrific and a really questionable business practice.

Volmarias posted:

Tell them to keep voting Tory, so they can enjoy the same freedoms from socialism that we do!

They probably already do, the left vote here has turned into a grotesque joke. One of the recent election results had most of the right folks voting Tory while the left split themselves between 3 parties. The combined total for the 3 would have easily beaten the Tories, sadly a lot of the left now tend to think along the lines of "oh I can't bring myself to vote for Labour so I'll vote for a party that has absolutely no chance of winning instead".

Plucky Brit
Nov 7, 2009

Swing low, sweet chariot

WonkyBob posted:

They probably already do, the left vote here has turned into a grotesque joke. One of the recent election results had most of the right folks voting Tory while the left split themselves between 3 parties. The combined total for the 3 would have easily beaten the Tories, sadly a lot of the left now tend to think along the lines of "oh I can't bring myself to vote for Labour so I'll vote for a party that has absolutely no chance of winning instead".

Splitter!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4

WonkyBob
Jan 1, 2013

Holy shit, you own a skirt?!

"How did the Tories win?!"

You voted for the Greens because you "can't vote for Corbyn", THAT'S how. Same people who were shocked about the referendum result because "all the people I know are voting Remain".

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



As an American, I've had several jobs with decent PTO, including my current one, but I'm terrible about taking time off and rarely get sick. I'm sitting on 156 hours sick time, 101 hours vacation time, 24 hours personal time, and 16 hours community service time (we get paid if we want to volunteer or something).

Batterypowered7
Aug 8, 2009

The mist that chills you keeps me warm.

I currently get 25 days (started with 20, bumped up to 25 after two years, next bump at ten years) in the US with no rollover. I used to take Fourth of July week off, then the majority of December, but now I'm in a role with a rotating on-call schedule, so I don't think I can gently caress off for December like I used to.

Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


Batterypowered7 posted:

I currently get 25 days (started with 20, bumped up to 25 after two years, next bump at ten years) in the US with no rollover. I used to take Fourth of July week off, then the majority of December, but now I'm in a role with a rotating on-call schedule, so I don't think I can gently caress off for December like I used to.

My rollover is 30 days and earn a total of 45ish per year. They split between vacation and sick but there is talk about merging them since loads of people take "sick" days when they just need a chill day to not think about work. It's not a secret and no one it the upper echelons have an issue with it.

Most of the people I know get 0-10 days off a year total and they all have "better" jobs than me.

America is loving stupid.

Thomamelas
Mar 11, 2009

Imagined posted:

Again, most Americans would kill for 3 weeks of paid leave per year. If you're American and currently have more than 3 weeks of paid leave per year, you're either a government employee or very fortunate. AFAIK 10 days paid leave per year is the average in the US, and that's an "average" with a whole lot of its subset having "zero".

I get 25 PTO days a year, with Federal Holidays + 1 floating holiday of our choice. I can roll over 2 weeks if needed. Because I teach training classes, I am effectively off the weeks of Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years. This one of the reasons I won't work for American companies ever again. I could get a $10k pay bump but it would be to go to a company that would treat me like poo poo.

no go on Quiznos
May 16, 2007



Pork Pro
I currently get 26 vacation days (1 per 2 weeks) with 30 days carryover and 13 sick days (1 per 4 weeks).
The Federal Government is good for something.
I don't get holidays though because I'm "essential". I just work all of them for double time.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Got our MegaCorp’s back to work plan today. Oddly, pretty darn good and far better than expected. Plan is everyone expected back in about two months, and going forward 2 days a week of WFH is ok. Considering we had zero WFH option prepandemic, that’s excellent.

Smik
Mar 18, 2014

Imagined posted:

I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here but it's funny that every company's password policy is basically the opposite of what all the research in the field says will produce the most secure passwords, i.e. the "must have capital letters, numbers, symbols, and you must change it every 30 days to one you've never used before" in practice guarantees that your employees will write that weird password down on a post-it note and stick it to their monitor, and expressly forbids what research says is the most secure type of password: a string of four or more random but easily remembered words like dickbuttgoatsex.

Oh ye gods I feel that so hard and it pisses me off so much. I mean you're preaching to the choir but if it's any consolation you can totally sing with us.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!

Imagined posted:

My state hasn't seen a raise for state employees in almost 20 years and their insurance benefits have been frozen (and thus, shrinking every year) for almost 10. The only people left working for the state are people with young families who need the still relatively-generous leave benefits, or old people (literally) grandfathered into the good pension scheme (that was also frozen 30 years ago) who're trying to hold out for retirement.

Here, state employees haven't had a non inflationary raise for about as long (and most years, not even that), Benefits are getting slashed every other year, and have also had a dumbass dual tiered pension scheme based on when you started.

My agency basically relies on an extremely aging core of developers to keep the lights on. There's been a "pay study" for us for the last 3 years that's just been an excuse to block promotions. 50% of people under 40 working there are doing so purely as a resume booster to get their foot in the door of the industry and bail 3 years on the dot from their hiring date. Meanwhile managers are getting chewed out over turnover (we lost double digit % this month alone lol)

'

Scientastic
Mar 1, 2010

TRULY scientastic.
🔬🍒


I don’t understand why American businesses are so opposed to time off. All the evidence shows that people are more productive when they take holiday time, not less.

Part of me thinks it’s to create a culture where employees are so cowed and oppressed by their employers that they develop Stockholm syndrome.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Scientastic posted:

I don’t understand why American businesses are so opposed to time off. All the evidence shows that people are more productive when they take holiday time, not less.

Part of me thinks it’s to create a culture where employees are so cowed and oppressed by their employers that they develop Stockholm syndrome.

Stop being lazy, slave. Get back to work where I can see you and feel powerful with you under my thumb.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

Scientastic posted:

I don’t understand why American businesses are so opposed to time off. All the evidence shows that people are more productive when they take holiday time, not less.

Part of me thinks it’s to create a culture where employees are so cowed and oppressed by their employers that they develop Stockholm syndrome.

Lol, look at this scrub focusing on results instead of whatever metrics he can pencil whip into looking good.

Amazon is the loving worst about this, they focus on raising a bunch of numbers and per-person numbers but none of it actually translates into how quickly the actual work gets done. Yeah, this department is handling 300 packages per person an hour but they’re cutting so many corners to get an extra ten percent there that it’s making the people that have to use their work go at half speed to unfuck the mess, and the rushing and unsafe conditions are causing injuries or behavior so unsafe it borders on actively suicidal.

AHH F/UGH
May 25, 2002

Capitalism by its nature dehumanizes people into productivity quotas generator so they see people not working as being liabilities instead of neutral or assets

It sucks but thems the breaks when you live in a universe of entropy and finite resources

cynic
Jan 19, 2004



Imagined posted:

Again, most Americans would kill for 3 weeks of paid leave per year. If you're American and currently have more than 3 weeks of paid leave per year, you're either a government employee or very fortunate. AFAIK 10 days paid leave per year is the average in the US, and that's an "average" with a whole lot of its subset having "zero".

I work for a UK company that is expanding in the USA by acquisition and they have applied the pay and conditions standards from here across every member of staff at the acquired companies. This includes minimum 3 weeks PTO (you get public holidays and christmas->new year off on top), no at-will and living wage and it was pretty fun to hear the responses some of them had. I believe the health and retirement plans were also bulked up a little to match what we get (or as close as possible).

Cheesus
Oct 17, 2002

Let us retract the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wirebrush of enlightenment.
Yam Slacker

Ugly In The Morning posted:

Amazon is the loving worst about this, they focus on raising a bunch of numbers and per-person numbers but none of it actually translates into how quickly the actual work gets done.
Is that related to the new policy Amazon has implemented in my area where as a Prime member I still have free two day shipping but FIVE TO SEVEN DAYS WAREHOUSE PROCESSING?

Domus
May 7, 2007

Kidney Buddies

Scientastic posted:

I don’t understand why American businesses are so opposed to time off. All the evidence shows that people are more productive when they take holiday time, not less.

Part of me thinks it’s to create a culture where employees are so cowed and oppressed by their employers that they develop Stockholm syndrome.

At least at my company, there is no backup whatsoever for many tasks. If someone calls off sick or takes vacation, the work just doesn’t get done. They can’t afford that.

They refuse to learn from experience as well. Our lead billing person for the entire company quit unexpectedly. It’s still causing clusterfucks every day that make us look hilariously unprofessional. Are they going to have more people learn to cover the lead billing tasks? No, they don’t have time to do that, and there’s no one to do their tasks if they stopped to train anyway.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

Cheesus posted:

Is that related to the new policy Amazon has implemented in my area where as a Prime member I still have free two day shipping but FIVE TO SEVEN DAYS WAREHOUSE PROCESSING?

I just came from the distribution side to the warehouse side and everything here seems to be run on duct tape and hate so... probably.

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CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Ugly In The Morning posted:

I just came from the distribution side to the warehouse side and everything here seems to be run on duct tape and hate so... probably.

I grew up with an ethos that there was no problem which could not be surmounted by a Swiss Army knife and a roll of duct tape.

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