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Fortaleza
Feb 21, 2008

indigi posted:

I honestly can’t imagine what the American response to a similar situation would be. there’s no way they’d let it continue for two months at great cost to governments and private farm owners. the first time they showed up in the news would probably be about their deaths

Well they killed two chickens already, they’d probably be treated just like wolf packs making a comeback and encroaching on developed areas in the west. That is, slaughtered by some landowner in a fait accompli before anyone can stop them and maybe having them pay a fine later.

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/1400849084383215619?s=20

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
I thought covid wasn't a big deal though

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
China should just print up $10 trillion usd tho. help speed up the collapse of this garbage empire

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

oll

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Ridiculous!... Biden comes back 4 months later and recommends that the amount is reduced to 8 trillion and that a international oversight committee should be formed to organize the transfer from Chinese banks.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

tractor fanatic posted:

why do people keep saying this? China had every reason to do this research themselves anyways because sars hosed them up so bad

probably because of poo poo like this

https://fas.org/irp/threat/cbw/nextgen.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2ixbphbF_2lUrWiP85VbU6ldemYD5xCmhlMidLDv4nbE-IWS8epHv7aFc

and

gradenko_2000 posted:

Charles Lieber was arrested in January 2020 in connection with work he was doing in Wuhan for George Church and Martin Nowak, geneticists who received 6.5 million USD from Jeffrey Epstein as a grant to the Program for Evolutionary Dynamics, whose research topics included virus dynamics

crepeface has issued a correction as of 03:49 on Jun 5, 2021

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

please tell me bill gates did not give epstein $6.5 million for this like he did with mit

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

COVID was Epstein's dead hand switch

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

So I looked at CNN today and this is the home page


https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/04/china/david-mcmahon-us-china-shanghai-prisoner-intl-hnk/index.html posted:


An American teacher was jailed for child abuse in China in 2014. He still says he's innocent — if only anyone would listen.

By James Griffiths, CNN

Updated 1604 GMT (0004 HKT) June 4, 2021

Hong Kong — David McMahon hated the design of his classroom.

Located on the ground floor of the Pudong campus of the Shanghai French School, its almost floor-to-ceiling windows made him feel like he was "teaching in aquarium," in the words of one of McMahon's colleagues. Passersby couldn't help but look in, and their attention would inevitably distract the kindergarteners inside.

But when, in 2013, he was accused of abusing several of his students, the windows suddenly seemed to McMahon and his defenders a saving grace -- proof the claims being made against him could not have happened. How could he have molested multiple children over the course of months, his lawyers planned to ask in court, in full view of anyone walking through a heavily-trafficked area of the campus?

It was one of many strands of a defense that seemed relatively iron tight to McMahon and his fiancée Linnea, who said that while they were appalled and upset at the charges, they weren't overly worried, figuring the truth would come out at trial.

"At the beginning it just seemed like this couldn't possibly go any further, there wasn't enough evidence, like how could this happen?" said Linnea, who requested to be identified only by her first name in order to protect her privacy.

But when McMahon's case came to court, just one of McMahon's witnesses was allowed to testify, and she was only permitted to speak to his character. Almost all the evidence put forward by his lawyers was summarily dismissed, court documents show, demonstrative of the difficulties defense teams often have in the Chinese justice system, where around 99% of prosecutions end in a guilty verdict.
On July 2, 2014, McMahon was found guilty of child molestation and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

To this day, McMahon maintains he is innocent of all charges against him, despite what supporters say is ongoing pressure from the Chinese authorities to sign a confession, which could bring a reduction in his sentence and better treatment while in prison.

No physical or forensic evidence was ever presented to tie McMahon to the crime, with the case relying solely on the testimony of very young children. Claims that their testimony may have been flawed were dismissed by the court, as was the suggestion testimony may have been inappropriately influenced by parents or police.

CNN has interviewed over a dozen people involved in the case, including former colleagues of McMahon's and parents at the school where he taught, and reviewed Chinese and US court documents, witness statements, US State Department records, and communications sent by McMahon and his accusers ahead of the trial.

None of McMahon's accusers responded to requests for comment. In a statement, the Lycée Français de Shanghai said it had "no comment to make."

Prosecutors and police in Shanghai also did not respond. Previously, Chinese officials have stated that the country's "judicial authorities handle cases involving criminals of different nationalities in accordance with law" and that "every criminal is equal in the application of the law."

Since he was first arrested, McMahon's family and friends have attempted to get US officials and lawmakers to lobby on his behalf, with little success. Media coverage has been limited to a handful of stories around the time he was charged, largely repeating what was put out by Shanghai prosecutors.

Thanks to years of work behind the scenes, however, this has gradually begun to change. McMahon's case has recently been taken up by the James Foley Foundation, which lobbies on behalf of Americans detained overseas.
In a statement to CNN, Executive Director Margaux Ewen said that "based on the evidence we've seen from many sources," including FBI agents and US State Department officials, the Foundation believes "David is innocent of the charges against him."

"We hope the United States government will be helpful in securing his release and repatriation home to the US," Ewen said.

Rob Saale, a former FBI Special Agent and director of the US Hostage Recovery Fusion Cell, who sits on the Foley Foundation's legal advisory council, said that on examining the case "there were a number of factors that caused me to believe that David's conviction was suspect."

"What was most troubling was the process for the interviewing of the victims of the case," Saale said, adding that "some of the allegations seemed far fetched," and did not line up with other testimony or evidence.

David McMahon moved to Shanghai in 2008, and had worked there as a teacher for five years before he was arrested.
David McMahon moved to Shanghai in 2008, and had worked there as a teacher for five years before he was arrested.
Predator


One thing that everyone involved in the case agrees on is that there was a pedophile who abused two of McMahon's students.

Over a year before McMahon was arrested, in November 2012, the mother of two of his students, twin 5-year-old girls, had come into class very upset, describing how she had walked in on the girls' English tutor -- an American called Hector Orjuela, Jr. -- molesting one of them in the basement of the family home.

"It was shocking to all of us. The guy worked here two or three years ago. I knew him at work, but we didn't socialize outside of work. I didn't know him well, but he worked here for two years and a lot of people here remember him. Obviously, we had no idea he was a pedophile," McMahon emailed his friend and former colleague Hannah Miller, shortly after speaking to the twins' mother.

The woman had been angry at McMahon, believing he was a friend of Orjuela.

"She met the man while shopping and he mentioned that he used to work at the French School ... and that he knew me," McMahon wrote to Miller, who shared the email with CNN.

Interviewed by Chinese and US law enforcement, Orjuela confessed to having molested one of the twins and attempting to molest the other. During a search of his devices, police found large amounts of child pornography, including images which appeared to have been taken by Orjuela. He subsequently admitted to having abused a 7-year-old girl during a visit to Maryland in the summer of 2012.

Rather than prosecute Orjuela in Shanghai, the Chinese authorities chose to deport him to face trial in the US, where he was eventually convicted on multiple counts and sentenced to 30-years in prison.
The twins' mother traveled to the US to testify against Orjuela, telling the court, "there are times when I would like to go to sleep and never wake up again so that I no longer have to see the suffering and the pain in the eyes of my daughters."

McMahon was heartbroken for the girls, telling his colleague Roshni Ismail that "these kids went through such a tough time, they were so traumatized."

David McMahon joined the elite Lycee Francais de Shanghai as a kindergarten teacher in 2008.
David McMahon joined the elite Lycee Francais de Shanghai as a kindergarten teacher in 2008.
Accused


The French School is a $15,000-a-year private academy spread across two campuses in Shanghai.
McMahon had joined in 2008, four years after he arrived in China from Tuscaloosa County, Alabama, where he'd been a high school teacher. While the 32-year-old didn't volunteer for after school activities or extra work, he was adored by his students, according to two educators who worked alongside him.

"We used to tease him, because we would get off the bus and the kids would swarm around Dee, like a rockstar, trying to hug him," Ismail said, using his nickname.

This made him a natural person for the twins to turn to for comfort and protection, she added, with McMahon fulfilling the role of caregiver during school hours.

But seeing her girls being close with another American man, one whom Orjuela had given as a reference, appears to have given the twins' mother a deep sense of disquiet, and she would become suspicious of his motivations, her actions later show. Her concerns were echoed by the girls' psychologist, who emailed the headmaster of the French School, Eric Veteau, on April 10, 2013, to warn that the twins had grown "too intimate" with McMahon, who was playing "the role of the mother" with them.

Veteau called McMahon and his supervisor, Laurent Delattre, in for a meeting, and told him not to hug the girls, court documents state. According to a description of the meeting McMahon gave to his friend Miller, he replied angrily that he never initiated hugs, but it was difficult to refuse a five-year-old, especially when they had been through trauma.

Linnea, McMahon's then girlfriend and now wife, said he was left in a bind by the girls' obvious need for comfort. "In some ways, if a child tries to hug you and you push them away, that could be a lot more traumatic for them," she said.

Two days after the twins' psychologist emailed Veteau, Diplomatic Security Service agents at the US Consulate requested McMahon come in for an interview. He thought the agents, who work under the State Department and in close cooperation with the FBI, wanted to talk about Orjuela, who was due to go on trial in the US.

But after about 30 minutes, the focus turned to McMahon. "(It) was a full on interrogation," he wrote to Miller, several days later. "The guy says we must have been close because we were both Americans. I said he was ridiculous. He asked me about my sexual history, who I'd dated, how many women during that time. He asked me why I like to work with young kids, do they hug me, am I attracted to them, all this sh*t."

A partially redacted record of the interview with McMahon, acquired via a freedom of information request, confirms his account, including that he was questioned about his sexual history, and what he "thought about pedophiles."

Towards the end of the interview, McMahon told Miller, the DSS agent had told him to calm down, adding: "I just attacked you so I could see your reaction. There's nothing to be upset about."

But he was disturbed, writing that "an accusation alone is enough to ruin a person's career."

In response to a request for comment for this article, a State Department spokesperson said that "DSS works with foreign law enforcement partners on investigations that may involve or affect US citizens."

"Due to law enforcement considerations, we cannot provide additional details on specific cases," the spokesperson said, and declined to provide any specifics on why McMahon was interviewed or what cooperation may have taken place between DSS and Chinese police.

Under US law, Americans who commit child sex abuse overseas are guilty of a crime, regardless of where the acts occurred. But unlike in Orjuela's case, seemingly no effort was made by DSS or any other American law enforcement body to seek McMahon's prosecution or deportation to face trial in the US.
The US Consulate in Shanghai. McMahon was interviewed here by State Department agents before he was detained by Chinese police.
The US Consulate in Shanghai. McMahon was interviewed here by State Department agents before he was detained by Chinese police.
Suspicion


According to court documents, the twins' mother, Clara, first spoke to one of her daughters about McMahon during a family holiday to Thailand in the spring of 2013, soon after the school had told him not to hug them.

Clara is not the woman's real name. CNN is withholding a number of names in this story in order to protect the privacy of the children involved.

Her daughter told her "that she had been molested by Mr. Mac in the school," the court said in a summary of witness statements from the family. On returning to Shanghai, Clara immediately contacted the police and raised the alarm to other parents in her daughters' class.

On May 13, the day after Clara alerted the authorities, McMahon was picked up by police at the school and taken to pre-trial detention, where he would spend the next month before he was officially charged, as is the normal procedure in China.

Once there was a suggestion that McMahon as well as Orjuela could have preyed on the twins, "there was just mass hysteria," Ismail said. "The parents started panicking, started rallying other people to ask their kids about Dee."

The day McMahon was arrested, two other children came forward with accusations against McMahon, while on May 16, Clara's second daughter lodged an accusation against him. Two other accusers would come forward during the investigation.

McMahon's defenders believe Clara and other parents, traumatized by Orjuela's crimes, were on high alert for any potential danger to their children, and this may have caused them to misinterpret normal behavior as predatory or to press their children to support their suspicions.

In an email sent to a group of parents on May 15 -- seen by CNN -- Paul, the father of one of the accusers, said "our child (told us) that it happened with many students ... I strongly advise you to have a discussion with your child as soon as possible."

Throughout May and June, the parents of the initial accusers urged others to question their children and testify against McMahon, according to texts and emails seen by CNN.

According to three former and one current member of staff at the Lycée Français, parents at the school had access to each other's email addresses through a class mailing list, used for arranging field trips and other events. Many also knew each other both socially and professionally. In its verdict, the court also noted that the school, "briefed the parents about the situation through emails and parents' meetings," an understandable move that may have nevertheless played into the panic spreading through the community.

Brian Sullivan, a former employee, said the French community "was much tighter" than at other schools where he'd taught, and parents were "more close knit and more involved."

In the email to parents, Paul wrote that McMahon "raged for many years in the school and it is urgent to know the extent of damage. I cannot remain silent, it is my duty as a parent to inform you."

Neither Paul nor Clara responded to requests for comment.

On July 1, Paul's wife texted another parent at the school, Katie, to say their son saw McMahon abusing her child, according to an exchange seen by CNN. On questioning, Katie's son said nothing had happened, she wrote in a statement provided to McMahon's defense team and shared with CNN.

During the trial, communication between parents was one of the key points McMahon's legal team raised in his defense. McMahon's lawyers argued that the parents may have influenced each other and their children's testimony, sharing stories and suggesting potentially leading questions.

This argument was dismissed by the court, which said in its verdict "parents cannot be expected to remain silent and not contact other parents when they know there are other children who may have been molested."

Accusations


Of the more than 30 students Linnea said McMahon taught across two classes -- homeroom and English -- six came forward with accusations, while one testified to witnessing abuse. Most of the remaining children were not questioned by police, while those who were denied witnessing or suffering any molestation, according to court documents.

No forensic or physical evidence was introduced to tie McMahon to his alleged crimes. While this is not necessarily unusual in child molestation cases -- due to the delay which often occurs between the crime and it being reported -- it does put extra onus on witness testimony to be fully accurate.

In most jurisdictions, this can present a problem for prosecutors, as children, especially young ones, are known to be susceptible to making false or misleading testimony if they are questioned in a leading manner, such as being asked to confirm that they had the same experiences as another child, rather than being encouraged to describe something freely.

"For more than a century, there has been a question about the reliability of child testimony and this concern has centered around heightened suggestibility in children," writes lawyer Wendy Koen in "The Psychology and Sociology of Wrongful Convictions."
Koen uses as a case study the experience of John Stoll, who was convicted in California in 1985 on 17 counts of child molestation, based on the testimony of six children aged six to nine.

"Unaware of how suggestible children can be when interviewed incorrectly, social workers (had) pulled horrible stories of sexual abuse from all the children interviewed," Koen writes, much of which was contradictory or not possible, but was effective in initially convicting Stoll.

Stoll's conviction was finally overturned in 2004 after four of the witnesses, now adults, recanted and said they had been coerced into making false allegations.
According to a report by the California Innocence Project, which worked on Stoll's case, recantation is often the only hope for exoneration in cases where a conviction is based solely on child testimony.
"Child sex abuse exonerations primarily involve fabricated crimes," the report said, referencing a study by the National Registry of Exonerations and others. "The false accusations are by large produced by pressure on the children from relatives, police officers, or therapists; these accusations generally unravel when the witnesses recant."

In their submission to the court, McMahon's lawyers said video testimony played during the trial showed that witnesses appeared to have been "induced to make their statements and significantly modified their statements" in response to pressure from "their parents and/or investigators."

McMahon was tried at the Shanghai No.1 Intermediate People's Court. China has a conviction rate of over 99%, and cases are almost never overturned on appeal.
McMahon was tried at the Shanghai No.1 Intermediate People's Court. China has a conviction rate of over 99%, and cases are almost never overturned on appeal.
Evidence


The allegations themselves also raise questions.

Of the seven children who testified against McMahon, all described a similar situation: molestation of the genitals or buttocks, either in the "library" section of the classroom, or in front of the class after other children had been ordered to turn around.

In finding McMahon guilty, the court gave him an "aggravated" sentence on the grounds that "he molested a number of children in the presence of other people in public places including the classrooms in the school repeatedly over a long period of time."

According to multiple former and current members of staff at the French School, the circumstances described in the witness testimony were extremely unlikely.

"Most of the classrooms had your regular-sized windows, his had these big windows," said Ismail, McMahon's former colleague. "David used to be so upset, saying I have these kids who struggle to pay attention and they just look at everyone walking by and get distracted."

As for the library section, which the court focused on as a potential location where children could have been molested in private, "it's not separated, it's a little library corner where the kids sit in a circle," she said.

Two former and one current member of staff confirmed these descriptions. "It was like teaching in an aquarium," former colleague Brian Elkin said of the classroom.

Nor did McMahon teach any of his classes alone. There was always a Chinese or French co-teacher helping with the students, as well as caretakers who regularly came in to the class to help tidy up after lessons, three former colleagues said.

Sullivan said he split classes similarly to McMahon, teaching alongside French and Chinese colleagues, and that "in my classroom, if there was anything going wrong or going poorly, the students would definitely confide in the French teacher."

CNN attempted to reach all the staff who taught classes with McMahon for this story. Lesley Murray, who worked alongside McMahon, said she did not believe any of the accusations; as did another teacher who requested anonymity as they still work at the school. Two others did not respond to interview requests.

While they were interviewed by police, McMahon's lawyers were unable to call any of his co-teachers -- Chinese or foreign -- to testify at his trial. When this issue was raised during McMahon's unsuccessful appeal, the court stated that his co-teacher sometimes "had to leave due to errands, thus Petitioner McMahon had the conditions to commit the crime."

One fellow teacher did testify against McMahon, after her son said he witnessed abuse in the classroom. The teacher -- who did not respond to a request for comment -- said her son "told her that when Mr. Mac was molesting the children, neither the Chinese assistant nor the French teacher was there," according to court documents.

Everyone interviewed by CNN agreed that the likelihood of multiple instances of abuse taking place in the classroom without being witnessed by another adult was highly unlikely.

Brian Elkin, who taught at the school during this period but has since left, said it was "always baffling to think that he was accused of some kind of molestation in the classroom, where he would have been in plain sight the whole time."

"There was no privacy in these classrooms, there was a wall of windows, and we had Chinese staff and hall monitors walking in and out," he said. "Even had he wanted to I don't think he could have done."

Saale, the former FBI agent and Foley Foundation advisor, said the idea that any abuser would have chosen the classroom as a place to molest children "struck me as highly unlikely and highly unusual that they would have been able to pull that off."

At trial, the court dismissed concerns about the size or visibility of the classroom, saying "there was time and space for the defendant to commit the crime."

The community of parents around the Shanghai French School was especially close-knit, former employees said.
The community of parents around the Shanghai French School was especially close-knit, former employees said.
Panic


CNN reached out to all the parents involved in McMahon's case to request comment or an interview, but received no response. Speaking to French media at the time of McMahon's arrest, an unidentified parent of a victim described the experience as a "living nightmare" and said their child was deeply traumatized.
In its verdict, the court said that "although some facts in the statements made by the victims were not corroborated, e.g. the facts that other students had been molested were not confirmed by the said students, we can neither say that the sexual assault has not existed nor indicate that the statements made by the victims that they had been molested are lies."

Judges repeatedly dismissed concerns about testimony, or parents influencing what the children said, as suggestions that witnesses were lying or that there was a conspiracy to convict McMahon.

But in other cases involving testimony from children that has been proven to be false, witnesses fully believed what they were saying. In some cases of wrongful imprisonment, witnesses have stood by their stories, even after DNA or other evidence has exonerated the accused. In other instances, child witnesses have recanted years later when they reconsidered the case as adults.

Nor do parents who influence their children's testimony, or even the police interviewing them, necessarily realize what they are doing is leading the child on or shaping what they say.

In one of the most notorious cases involving false allegations of child sex abuse, in the 1980s, staff at the McMartin Preschool in California were accused of a host of crimes ranging from sexual abuse to Satanic torture and animal murder, all based on interviews with alleged child victims.
The case eventually fell apart, becoming "one of the great judicial debacles in California history," writes Richard Beck in "We Believe the Children," his book on the trial.

Even as questions were raised over the testimony, Beck writes, "the most obviously coercive therapeutic interviews were often allowed to stand until research psychiatrists documented and quantified child suggestibility in controlled experiments."

That research, which has been built upon considerably since the 1980s, has resulted in the creation of guidelines and best practices for how children are interviewed by police, psychologists and social workers, in order to try and avoid false testimony.
While McMahon was the only person prosecuted in his case, his lawyers argued that the accusations against him stemmed from Orjuela's molestation of Clara's twin girls. Both twins testified against McMahon, and the specifics of the abuse they described are almost identical to that which Orjuela confessed to inflicting upon them. The abuse described by the other children -- molestation of the genitals and anus -- also lined up with that committed by Orjuela.

In its verdict, the court said it did not accept "the opinion of the defense that the victims might have confused other criminals with the defendant."

If, as McMahon's defense argued, Orjuela's crimes were transposed onto him amid what multiple interviewees said was an atmosphere of paranoia and distrust following the latter's arrest, there are also indications that a full, McMartin-style panic almost took hold at the school.

"A lot of the male teachers were afraid for their own jobs and safety," said the current member of staff at the Lycée Français.

One victim of this was Elkin, an American who taught a class two grades above McMahon's. Elkin said that parents began to whisper "that I was in cahoots with him, it made it extremely uncomfortable at work."

He was eventually moved to teaching an older grade, but soon left the school because of the hostile environment.

"The parents were all talking about me behind my back, 'is he another one of them,' it was like being under a microscope," Elkin said. "There was a deep paranoia among the parents that there was some kind of ring, that he wasn't working alone."

While Elkin said "if there was going to be a witch hunt they're not going to find anything on me," he added that McMahon's experience shook his confidence in the Chinese justice system.

Elkin's ex-wife, Lesley Murray, also taught at the school during this time, and she said the accusations and the paranoia "really messed up" Elkin, prompting a breakdown that was "the beginning of the end of our marriage."

"It messed all of us up," she said. "But it was really hard for my husband because of the way he was treated."

Shanghai's Qingpu Prison is the main detention center for foreigners convicted of crimes in China.
Shanghai's Qingpu Prison is the main detention center for foreigners convicted of crimes in China.
Prison


Following a three day trial in the summer of 2014, the Shanghai court found McMahon guilty. An appeal later that year was unsuccessful, as almost all such efforts are in China.

McMahon was sentenced to 12 years in prison, to run until May 12, 2025. He is serving that sentence in Qingpu Prison, one of the main detention centers for foreigners in China.

According to Linnea and two former prisoners who knew McMahon, since going to Qingpu, he has been pressured repeatedly to confess to his crime, despite already being found guilty.

"You have to swallow a lot of pride if you want to get out as early as possible," said Daniel, a German man who was released from Qingpu in October 2020. He requested to use a pseudonym for privacy reasons.

"(McMahon) refuses to acknowledge his crime, refuses to give them anything that would count as proof that he is guilty," he said. "They try to pressure you very hard into signing a letter where you confess, repent, every year you have to write this, and if you don't, you don't get any sentence reduction."

McMahon has also refused to comply with many prison requirements, such as shaving or taking part in work, which has resulted in him being punished and sent to solitary, Daniel and Linnea said.

"He's not following the rules, he gets punished a lot, they try to use everything in their power to make his life as miserable as possible," Daniel said. "He lost his temper several times when he was mistreated, and they put him on medication, anxiety pills, sleeping pills."

David McMahon poses for a photo during a trip to Inner Mongolia, in northern China.
David McMahon poses for a photo during a trip to Inner Mongolia, in northern China.
In response to a request for comment, the US Consulate in Shanghai said it was in "regular contact with David McMahon and is closely monitoring his case."

"We are aware of Mr. McMahon's health issues and are providing all appropriate consular services," the statement said.

Daniel said that McMahon has gained weight in Qingpu -- "it must be from the medication because it's not like there's a chance to eat a lot" -- and has a long beard because he refuses to shave.

Linnea said her husband's mental state has deteriorated significantly during his time in prison, and at times he has expressed suicidal thoughts. He also sometimes took his frustration out on her, blaming her for failing to get political or media attention for his case.

"All this pain and emotional trauma travels through me, and I often bear the brunt of Dee feeling angry or upset," she said.

Linnea has not seen him for over 18 months, as in-person prison visits have been suspended since the start of the coronavirus pandemic.

"Currently, all we have is phone calls, which are monitored, so I'm limited in what I can say to him," she said. "I try to communicate what I am doing, but sometimes I have to say, 'I can't tell you everything that's happening.'"

While McMahon has long expressed a desire for greater media coverage, Linnea said she was worried about how this article could impact how he is treated by the Chinese authorities.

Nor was she necessarily optimistic that publicity would be any help, she said, adding there have been a number of occasions over the years where a breakthrough in McMahon's case appeared imminent, only to fall through.

"It's been so long, it's been really challenging," Linnea said. "Back in 2013, I could never have expected it would go on this long. He just walked out of our apartment one day and he's never come back."



Big story of the day. What’s this all about?

mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 07:42 on Jun 5, 2021

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

And this is from the travel section. How sinister!

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/china-red-tourism-sites-cmd/index.html posted:


The rapid rise of 'red tourism' in China
Maggie Hiufu Wong, CNN and Hannah Zhang, CNN • Updated 29th May 2021

(CNN) — Growing up in Guang'an, Zhang Yiwen always felt a closeness to late Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping, who spent the first 15 years of his life in her home city in the country's western province of Sichuan.

Zhang knows Deng's stories like the back of her hand and enjoys recounting them for visitors to the Communist revolutionary's former residence, where she's worked as a guide for the last 11 years.

"Grandpa Deng has a great image in our heart," Zhang tells CNN, using the local nickname for the man who, as paramount leader from the late 1970s until his death in 1997, is credited with modernizing and opening up China.

Zhang's passion for all things Deng, combined with her storytelling skills, has helped her win competitions and national recognition.

In late 2020, she was one of the two people from Sichuan chosen to join the nationwide "Five Good Guides" program, one of several initiatives from the Chinese government to improve and highlight the country's rapidly booming "red tourism" industry.

Ministry of Culture and Tourism officials handpicked 100 of the country's top tour guides working in so-called "red sites" -- locations with historical and cultural significance to the ruling Communist Party's history.

The chosen ones traveled to Beijing to receive further training aimed at equipping them with skills to be, as the government puts it, "a firm inheritor of the red gene, a wonderful storyteller of red stories, a vivid interpreter of the red spirit, a loyal disseminator of the red culture and a powerful leader of the red trend."


Tourists pose in front a flag of the Communist Party in Shaoshan, in central China's Hunan province in 2016.
JOHANNES EISELE/AFP/Getty Images

Although the concept of "red tourism" has been around for decades, it wasn't officially included in the country's national tourism plan until 2004. Some analysts say it presents a doctored version of history -- others going so far as to call it outright brainwashing.

China's current strongman leader Xi Jinping has promoted "red tourism" numerous times since coming to power in late 2012, fueling rapid growth of this once niche segment among local governments and domestic tourists.

As a result, "red sites" have expanded greatly across the country in recent years -- spotlighting everything from memorials to the Communist revolution to trees planted by Communist leaders.

Pandemic gives 'red tourism' a lift

With the global travel market still hindered by the pandemic and Chinese tourists forced to stay home, domestic travelers have given the "red tourism" industry a boost.

"In 2020, the number of red tourists exceeded 100 million and contributed to 11% of domestic travel," says Mimi Li, associate professor at Hong Kong Polytechnic University and an expert on Chinese tourism policy.
"That's quite phenomenal."

The timing couldn't be better for travel industry players hoping to capitalize on this growing segment, with the country gearing up to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the founding of the Communist Party in July. More "red tourism" initiatives are being rolled out almost weekly to coincide with this milestone -- in both state and private sectors.

Staged in Yan'an, the "Red Show" highlights the Communist Party's hard-fought early victories, featuring jaw-dropping acrobatics as well as elaborate song-and-dance numbers in a high-tech theater.
Steven Jiang/CNN

Ctrip, China's largest travel booking platform, launched 100 unique routes for "red pilgrims" earlier this year. Some of the packaged tours include experiences like reciting the admission oath for the Chinese Communist Party and singing revolutionary songs.

The company predicted the campaign would attract 50 million travelers in 2021.

"Most researchers classify red tourism as a type of heritage tourism. For some of the red sites like Jinggangshan or Yan'an, red tourism is almost a guaranteed income," says Li, referring to two famous former Communist revolutionary bases.

CNN recently visited Yan'an in northern Shaanxi province as part of a government-led trip and witnessed throngs of visitors -- some donning revolutionary attire -- cramming into former residences of Communist leaders, auditoriums for past party congresses and countless exhibition halls.

Droves of party members retook their admission oath -- "be ready at all times to sacrifice my all for the party and the people, and never betray the party" -- in ritualistic fashion, while schoolchildren received open-air lectures on why history chose the Communists to rule China.


Unsurprisingly, Yan'an officials are eager to promote their city's biggest selling point with bold investments. A shiny airport, rows of new hotels and even a billboard advertising the upcoming opening of a Starbucks dot the former economic backwater.

Their effort appeared to have paid off before the pandemic. In 2019, more than 73 million visitors flocked to the city of just over two million residents, nearly doubling the tourist figure just three years earlier.

With the Covid-19 virus mostly contained within China, Yan'an tourism bounced back during the weeklong May Day holiday this year, with tourist spending already surpassing that in the same period before the pandemic, according to local authorities.

Changing demographics

Li, the Hong Kong professor, says that when the first "red tourism" wave kicked off, it mainly focused on education -- a compulsory activity for government officials and students. But the market has changed.

"We see more and more tourists visiting those sites not because they are asked to do so but just because they want to do so," she says.

And these "red travelers" are getting younger.

According to data from travel platform Tongcheng-Elong, travelers aged 21 to 30 made up 40% of bookings and searches related to the "red tourism" segment over the recent May Day holiday.

These figures won't come as a surprise to tourist guide Zhang, who says she's noticed more young people becoming interested in learning about Deng's story and his place in history.

When she first started her job at Deng's birth home, most young visitors only took a casual look at the displays. But now, "most of them hire guides and pay close attention to our personal stories about Deng," she says.

Students in school uniforms receive an open-air lecture on the Communist Party's early days in front of a historical building in Yan'an.
Steven Jiang/CNN

Improved facilities and services, creative souvenirs and the use of technology may have helped make "red sites" more appealing to younger generations. But some say the main driver is an increased focus on national pride and identity.
"Young people nowadays are more proud and confident and identify more strongly with our nation and country," Zhang says. "They want to learn how China grew from a poor country to what it is today."

Li notes that research shows young Chinese are displaying a greater appreciation than ever for national brands, from skincare to fashion.

"They want to use the products produced in the country and they want to know the country better," she says.

Chen Shuna, a student at Beijing's Capital University of Economics and Business, visited the city's Museum of the War of Chinese People's Resistance Against Japanese Aggression with her friends in November 2020.

She tells CNN that what impressed her the most was the depiction of the Nanjing Massacre.

"(The scene) was very tragic," says Chen. "Every item in the museum is proof of a story that earlier generations wrote with their blood. But we don't immerse ourselves in the emotion of revenge. Rather, we are alerted that our nation needs to rise up and strengthen itself to resist all invaders."

The dark side of 'red tourism'

While learning their own national history is a huge draw for tourists around the world, the difference is that "red sites" almost always offer one-sided storytelling.

Critics say these sites focus on the perseverance of the Communist leaders and their glorious triumphs, overlooking their sometimes-catastrophic failures while even twisting historical facts.

"The Chinese regime would certainly like to promote 'red tourism' for both commercial and ideological purposes," says Simon Shen, an influential political commentator from Hong Kong and founder of international relations company Glocal Learning Offices.

"It's regarded as a core subject of patriotic education. How effective it is -- that's another question."

But Hong Kong academic Li insists that using historic sites and attractions as a means to "educate" citizens isn't exclusive to China. What the country lags behind in, she says, is sophisticated marketing.

Communist Party members re-take their admission oath in Xibaipo, a "red site" near Beijing.
Steven Jiang/CNN

"In other countries like in the US, they do it very implicitly," says Li.

"I think it is something the Chinese government should pay attention to or spend more time and effort on. It really doesn't feel very good if you sense you are asked to believe something."

In the Museum of the War of Chinese People's Resistance Against Japanese Aggression in Beijing, for example, emphasis is placed on the sacrifice the Communist Party made during the Sino-Japanese War in the 1930s and 40s and how the then-fledgling party was the "mainstay" that led the country into victory.

On the history page on its official website, the museum alleges the Kuomintang -- the dominant ruling party of China from 1928 to 1949 -- displayed a lack of willingness to stand up against the Japanese invasion, calling out its "passive resistance" effort in the war.

Beijing's Museum of the War of Chinese People's Resistance Against Japanese Aggression.
Hannah Zhang/CNN

That's a claim rejected by many researchers outside mainland China.

Zhang Yu, Sweden-based secretary-general of the Independent Chinese PEN Center, said in an interview with the Voice of America earlier this month that "red tourism" is effective in making its visitors believe in the Communist version of truth through "subtle indoctrination."
"The most effective part of (red tourism) is that it isn't all fake," Zhang said in the interview. "The travel sites are half-real-half-false. The most important purpose is to (make people believe) that 'without the Communist Party, this country is over.'"

Mike Robinson, director of the UK-based Ironbridge International Institute for Cultural Heritage, has conducted extensive research into heritage tourism in China.
"There are complexities and anomalies in red tourism -- or any form of tourism that is so closely allied to only one ideology," he says.

But the researcher says it's "uncritical, unreflective and naive" to outright dismiss "red tourism."

Tourists queue to enter the former residence of Communist leader Mao Zedong in 2016 in Shaoshan, in China's Hunan province.
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"For the Chinese authorities, priorities for red tourism should be about building it into a wider program of sustainable tourism development for more marginal communities and then to open it up for a wider international audience through effective and honest interpretation."

Shen, however, has a less optimistic view on the topic, comparing "red tourism" in China and tourism in North Korea, another communist country known for its pervasive indoctrination programs.

"For countries like North Korea, they also have similar routes for foreign tourists, but few would be 'brainwashed' afterwards -- more frequently the tourists would have very different thoughts," he says.

The difference, he adds, is that China has the economic means to promote its version of history on a global scale.

"As a result, some tourists visiting those sites might ... become part of CCP's propaganda machine if they can't receive a proper debriefing in advance or afterwards."

Using 'red tourism' to reduce poverty


But Robinson, who has published reports on tourism and sustainability for UNESCO, notes the link between Beijing's sustainable development goals and "red tourism" growth -- and concrete benefits for local communities.
Guang'an is one such example. Deng's former residence was the first "red site" in Sichuan to be awarded a 5A rating -- the highest tourism ranking in China.

Renovations and upgrades have been carried out since the early 2000s. It's now a 3.19-square-kilometer tourist complex of attractions including a museum, a lake and a square with a bronze statue.
With its pleasant scenery and abundant produce, Guang'an's "red tourism" appeal has helped local businesses prosper.

In 2017, it was one of the first groups of counties in Sichuan to be lifted out of absolute poverty. In 2019, the city of less than half a million residents welcomed more than three million visitors.
"Tourism policy -- for what it's worth-- is driven by economics," says Robinson. "It is not by chance that 'red tourism' is closely linked to programs of rural regeneration, agricultural diversification and improving local livelihoods."

It's also a constant reminder to visitors and locals alike that the Communist Party is in charge of everything in China, as Xi likes to say.

Additional reporting by Steven Jiang in Yan'an.

mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 08:00 on Jun 5, 2021

THS
Sep 15, 2017

China's right

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

quote:

Located on the ground floor of the Pudong campus of the Shanghai French School, its almost floor-to-ceiling windows made him feel like he was "teaching in aquarium," in the words of one of McMahon's colleagues. Passersby couldn't help but look in, and their attention would inevitably distract the kindergarteners inside.

But when, in 2013, he was accused of abusing several of his students, the windows suddenly seemed to McMahon and his defenders a saving grace -- proof the claims being made against him could not have happened. How could he have molested multiple children over the course of months, his lawyers planned to ask in court, in full view of anyone walking through a heavily-trafficked area of the campus?

It was one of many strands of a defense that seemed relatively iron tight to McMahon and his fiancée Linnea, who said that while they were appalled and upset at the charges, they weren't overly worried, figuring the truth would come out at trial.

this is the only part of his legal defense that is actually discussed in any meaningful detail in the entire article and i gotta say if i were a chinese cop i probably would not be impressed by a guy whose claim to innocence is premised on the idea that children are only ever molested in classrooms

quote:

Shen, however, has a less optimistic view on the topic, comparing "red tourism" in China and tourism in North Korea, another communist country known for its pervasive indoctrination programs.

"For countries like North Korea, they also have similar routes for foreign tourists, but few would be 'brainwashed' afterwards -- more frequently the tourists would have very different thoughts," he says.

digging the reference to north koreans expert level indoctrination programs immediately followed up by a factoid completely contradicting the idea that north korean propaganda is so all powerful it expunges the capacity for free thought in the people that hear it

Pomeroy
Apr 20, 2020
Probation
Can't post for 14 days!

Forceholy posted:

So what exactly is the deal with Settlers? I only know about it as a meme on /leftypol/.

Well, it's a book by a guy who no one has ever heard of IRL, in which he argues a more extreme version of the FBI line on the national question (from back when they were focused on wrecking the RCP,) and insists that revolution, indeed any form of class struggle, in the US is impossible/reactionary respectively. Depending on how charitable one wants to be, it's either the bitter ravings of a defeated Maoist organizer, who feels the masses failed him, and can't get over his angst at being a radical academic banana, or straight up FBI artifice. His more recent poo poo where he tries to conflate Arab antizionism with Nazi ZOG poo poo, and condemns the PRC as settler colonial makes me lean toward the latter, but honestly it could easily go either way.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth
Lol the gaslighting paedophile defending new CNN.

Half that article is the paedo defenders pointing out that he never molested them in front of other adults. FMD

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

lol you just reminded me that cnn presents more evidence this expat is a pedophile in an article explicitly premised on claiming that hes not a pedophile than cnn has been able to dig up about matt gaetz over the last several months of making mild rewrites to the same only just barely qualifies as an actual news story

and they wonder why people think their reporting is politically motivated

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxlN5ypVp1g&t=24s

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/SameeraKhan/status/1397715041944846339
https://twitter.com/transartforall/status/1394184303735496708

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 11:19 on Jun 5, 2021

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/DeanoBeano1/status/1401123568381988866?s=19

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
he was researching the surprising appearance of definate bullet cavities in certain russian individuals while being observed at long distance

Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011

mawarannahr posted:

So I looked at CNN today and this is the home page

Big story of the day. What’s this all about?

Man, the arguments made to defend that dude suck rear end. "There were windows in the classroom, therefore I could have never have molested somebody", meanwhile seven separate children testified against him

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


The comparison to the Satanic Panic is rather interesting, but I don't think China is quite as crazy as 1980s America.

fatelvis
Mar 21, 2010

Red and Black posted:

Man, the arguments made to defend that dude suck rear end. "There were windows in the classroom, therefore I could have never have molested somebody", meanwhile seven separate children testified against him

Is there any other evidence other than the children's testimony? Children are not exactly reliable.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

fatelvis posted:

Is there any other evidence other than the children's testimony? Children are not exactly reliable.

Are you trying out for the new mod opening or what?

Also are you ignoring how he had to be told not to hug his students?

thatfatkid has issued a correction as of 13:26 on Jun 5, 2021

fatelvis
Mar 21, 2010

thatfatkid posted:

Are you trying out for the new mod opening or what?

Also are you ignoring how he had to be told not to hug his students?

No I'm just lazy as gently caress and couldn't be bothered to read the whole article - because it seems to be mostly a bunch of whining without much substance.

But if there's more evidence - fine, gently caress that guy.

Stickfigure
Sep 4, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

fatelvis posted:

Is there any other evidence other than the children's testimony? Chinese are not exactly reliable.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/StephenMcDonell/status/1400466643101224960?s=19

These people are such whiny loving babies

Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

how to call service staff uppity without saying uppity

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008


https://twitter.com/AntonBoym/status/1400686168400859136

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

fatelvis posted:

No I'm just lazy as gently caress and couldn't be bothered to read the whole article - because it seems to be mostly a bunch of whining without much substance.

But if there's more evidence - fine, gently caress that guy.

the article goes out of its way to avoid describing evidence either for or against the guy

another minor detail that seems rather underemphasized is that the victims appear to be white children whose white parents declined an interview

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Some Guy TT posted:

the article goes out of its way to avoid describing evidence either for or against the guy

another minor detail that seems rather underemphasized is that the victims appear to be white children whose white parents declined an interview

that's called being objective
if you investigate you might create a preponderance of evidence for one side, this way you're safely in the middle

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:


lol

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007



this guy blocks basically anyone who disagrees with him on twitter. he should probably join Sudworth in Taiwan if he's so offended by a T-shirt.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/1400926473637167104

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/DannyPage/status/1400930804688199681

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
Did that dude seriously mix up descendants and ancestors?

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Some Guy TT posted:

the article goes out of its way to avoid describing evidence either for or against the guy

another minor detail that seems rather underemphasized is that the victims appear to be white children whose white parents declined an interview

the article also makes him sound like he has long-standing anger issues dating before his arrest and indicates he’s been abusive toward his poor wife

quote:

Linnea said her husband's mental state has deteriorated significantly during his time in prison, and at times he has expressed suicidal thoughts. He also sometimes took his frustration out on her, blaming her for failing to get political or media attention for his case.

"All this pain and emotional trauma travels through me, and I often bear the brunt of Dee feeling angry or upset," she said.

one of the big questions CNN asks is “why isn’t the state department helping this guy??” it sounds like the state department agents thought this guy was probably a pedo whom they didn’t want to deal with

quote:

In response to a request for comment for this article, a State Department spokesperson said that "DSS works with foreign law enforcement partners on investigations that may involve or affect US citizens."

"Due to law enforcement considerations, we cannot provide additional details on specific cases," the spokesperson said, and declined to provide any specifics on why McMahon was interviewed or what cooperation may have taken place between DSS and Chinese police.

Under US law, Americans who commit child sex abuse overseas are guilty of a crime, regardless of where the acts occurred. But unlike in Orjuela's case, seemingly no effort was made by DSS or any other American law enforcement body to seek McMahon's prosecution or deportation to face trial in the US.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
China should throw that guy into a hole and throw away the hole

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

tl;Dr and also why does this random pedophile get a front page article on CNN, let the Chinese justice system deal with him. I assume Zucker wanted to spark some outrage and was also nervous about a white guy getting busted for loving children in Asia

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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

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