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Lampsacus posted:Ah, I didn't know what you were talking about with Aphohis and googling ending up on this page; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis I meant the sci-fi name-sake, but people have been wanting to nuke SPAAAAACE for about as long as we've had nukes, sadly.
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Rappaport posted:I meant the sci-fi name-sake, but people have been wanting to nuke SPAAAAACE for about as long as we've had nukes, sadly. posted:The explosion was intended to occur along the Moon's terminator, for maximum visibility from Earth. It's interesting to note, humans did eventually fufill their dream of bombing the moon in 2009; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCROSS
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Rappaport posted:I meant the sci-fi name-sake, but people have been wanting to nuke SPAAAAACE for about as long as we've had nukes, sadly. yes. let’s build an orion pulse rocket already
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mediaphage posted:yes. let’s build an orion pulse rocket already I would argue that it's much more sensible to use nukes as a propellant rather than scaring the pants off Ruskies, but opinions are subjective!
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Boris Galerkin posted:Right now you’re trying to “debate” that god exists based on people claiming they’ve witnessed miracles. That is not a debate. You don't get to claim the science position, you're dismissing hundreds of observations (including radar and IR) because it clashes with a theoretical framework that we know for a fact is both incomplete and self-contradictory.
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Jun 5, 2021 12:06
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Bug Squash posted:And the wise man bowed his head and said And then he fell over and got crushed by the gigantic rolling eye coming up from behind. Seriously, no-one in this thread believes UFOs are aliens, and pretending someone you disagree with is a conspiracy theorist is, ironically, exactly the same kind of magical thinking you're decrying here.
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Jun 5, 2021 12:07
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Libluini posted:And then he fell over and got crushed by the gigantic rolling eye coming up from behind. The guy literally one post above you has spend pages arguing that UFOs are aliens. Ratios and Tendency posted:You don't get to claim the science position, you're dismissing hundreds of observations (including radar and IR) because it clashes with a theoretical framework that we know for a fact is both incomplete and self-contradictory. Can you even image how that discussion would go down at CERN? Boss, good news, we can throw out general relativity! We're all getting Nobel prizes! Good god! Do we have five sigma confirmation of quantum gravity from the LHC? No, we got some blurry ir videos of a UFO! Good enough for me, wrap it up boys! Bug Squash fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Jun 5, 2021 |
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Jun 5, 2021 12:18
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Bug Squash posted:The guy literally one post above you has spend pages arguing that UFOs are aliens. My position is that they might be and it's worth investigating further, which NASA is now doing.
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Yeah, there is a bit of a circle this thread enters here. poster A; it might be aliens, but i am not convinced. poster B; you are saying its aliens which is dumb, how dare you claim its aliens thats not science poster A; i said it might be. i don't know what you want man.
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Jun 5, 2021 12:25
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Bug Squash posted:The guy literally one post above you has spend pages arguing that UFOs are aliens. Lampsacus has the perfect counter for your post: Lampsacus posted:Yeah, there is a bit of a circle this thread enters here. In my opinion, magical thinking involves believing things which do not exist. Which means congratulation, Bug Squash! You're a wizard now
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Jun 5, 2021 12:28
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Lampsacus posted:Yeah, there is a bit of a circle this thread enters here. The silly arguement is that it's definitely a craft, and that there's zero possibility of misinterpretation or error by the equipment or observers. Libluini posted:Lampsacus has the perfect counter for your post: Oh I'm sorry, what was the correct takeaway from this? Ratios and Tendency posted:
R and T is clearly playing Schroedinger's true believer on this one. Bug Squash fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Jun 5, 2021 |
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Jun 5, 2021 12:30
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Bug Squash posted:The silly arguement is that it's definitely a craft, and that there's zero possibility of misinterpretation or error by the equipment or observers. group 1; its definitely not aliens, we can rule them out absolutely. group 2; its most likely not aliens, i mean, it might be, but i'm inclined to believe that its not. group 3; i don't know. but i'm open to discussing that it's aliens because thats fun and cool. group 4; its most likely aliens. i mean, it might not be, but i'm inclined to believe the uap are aliens for reasons. group 5; its definitely aliens, we can rule out any other eventual explanation now. I feel like you are acting like there is a bunch of group 5s itt. but i think you'd find most of them are just group 3s and you, and others, are so adverse to the idea that it might be aliens you are knee-jerkly grouping everybody into the same camp. conversely, you have a bunch of people in group 3 thinking that any criticism is coming from posters who must be in group 1, and treating them as such. i mean, you do have some posters in this thread who definitely seem to be in group 1 and would probably be happy to be labeled as such. it just seems like you have all these different groups strawmanning each other and such. My personal feelings are that I don't know. And until I see sufficient proof of an explanation it will stay that way. And while I'm here in the 'i don't know' group 3 camp, I'm going to read about aliens and make posts about aliens because that is fun and cool but it doesn't mean I believe its aliens or that there is any other explanation. Who knows man. Its the space thread, discuss aliens and poo poo itt.
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You've invented the guy you're disagreeing with. Bug Squash fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Jun 5, 2021 |
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Bug Squash posted:The silly arguement is that it's definitely a craft, and that there's zero possibility of misinterpretation or error by the equipment or observers. The correct takeaway is to calm down and not start hallucinating absolutes that are not there. I know it's hard work to not imagining things, but you're a self-proclaimed skeptic, that should be easy for you Re: UFOs if people just can't stop the urge of shitposting, I honestly think we may need a 100% UFOs thread, with a mod willing to hand out probations like candy if people can't stop posting like Bug Squash or worse, just to stop this endless discussion not even about aliens, but about how secretly people not 100% sure are only pretending to not believe in aliens. I suggest making that thread, and just bringing the hammer down whenever the following two rules are broken: The UFO thread If you're 100% sure UFOs are aliens and you want to discuss your recent abduction, don't post. If you're 100% sure UFOs aren't real and can't suppress the urge to mention this every post, don't. Then we simply tell everyone mentioning the newest bit about UFOs infiltrating the military or whatever to go to that thread, kneecapping this endless circlejerk of stupid. 
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Bug Squash posted:You've invented the guy you're getting mad at buddy. Anyway, space!  New xkcd about the current uap sitch; https://xkcd.com/
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Let's face it - sometimes the natural world is just weird (and wonderful.) Here's some sanderlings doing a murmuration. https://i.imgur.com/w4TIxnv.mp4
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Lampsacus posted:But I'm not mad? Or the one calling people buddy? I'll edit out the buddy, but you've written a whole post telling me I'm tilting at windmills when I quoted directly what I was talking about. R and T is firmly between 4 and 5, if not entirely in cat 5 with a nudge and wink. Bug Squash fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Jun 5, 2021 |
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Jun 5, 2021 13:44
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Bug Squash posted:I'll edit out the buddy, but you've written a whole post telling me I'm tilting at windmills when I quoted directly what I was talking about. R and T is firmly between 4 and 5, if not entirely in cat 5 with a nudge and wink.
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Bug Squash posted:I'll edit out the buddy, but you've written a whole post telling me I'm tilting at windmills when I quoted directly what I was talking about. R and T is firmly between 4 and 5, if not entirely in cat 5 with a nudge and wink. I can entertain an idea without firmly believing it. The facts as I understand them in that specific case suggest alien technology to me, but those facts could be wrong, Fravor and Dietrich could be lying or mistaken, there might be some unlikely series of coincidences that explains things etc I'm still open to that. I'm also well aware that a lot of the stronger evidence for the Nimitz is second hand accounts of data that the public has not been allowed to see.
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Libluini posted:
Yes, please. Bug Squash, weren't you in the process of making the OP for that one? Please do, we've been on loving UAP footage for the past like 11 pages or something and I can't take it anymore. We can call it The UAP Thread: Discuss Aliens and poo poo ITT, and have a mod rename this to simply be "Space, the Final Frontier". Clean break, and we can just move on and continue to be chill and get back to the very important business of 10 page derails about how we might be simulations run by Boltzmann Brains at the end of the universe.
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DrSunshine posted:Yes, please. Bug Squash, weren't you in the process of making the OP for that one? Please do, we've been on loving UAP footage for the past like 11 pages or something and I can't take it anymore. We can call it The UAP Thread: Discuss Aliens and poo poo ITT, and have a mod rename this to simply be "Space, the Final Frontier". It got lost in the mix, but it got delayed by fallout from a nearby covid outbreak. Should get it done this weekend I'll put up the OP. DrSunshine posted:Clean break, and we can just move on and continue to be chill and get back to the very important business of 10 page derails about how we might be simulations run by Boltzmann Brains at the end of the universe. Don't threaten me with a good time.
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The UAP thread: Unexplained rear end Phenomena.Ratios and Tendency posted:You don't get to claim the science position, you're dismissing hundreds of observations (including radar and IR) because it clashes with a theoretical framework that we know for a fact is both incomplete and self-contradictory. Wake me up when the US military submits these scientific findings to a reputable journal.
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I think it should be fine to discuss alien life in terms of either microbiology news or stuff in the context of the fermi paradox.
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eXXon posted:The UAP thread: Unexplained rear end Phenomena. e; i know it doesn't really fit your criteria, but i just happened to find it in another tab just as i read your post. and it looks kinda fun and weird and interesting. cheeoo
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eXXon posted:Wake me up when the US military submits these scientific findings to a reputable journal. https://www.space.com/nasa-investigating-ufos-bill-nelson
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Raenir Salazar posted:I think it should be fine to discuss alien life in terms of either microbiology news or stuff in the context of the fermi paradox. Yes, I'd be super ok with this too. Like the phosphine on Venus discussion a while back, or the Tabby's Star thing. That was all great. 
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DrSunshine posted:Yes, I'd be super ok with this too. Like the phosphine on Venus discussion a while back, or the Tabby's Star thing. That was all great.
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It tickles me how integral the Voyager Disk is to the Transformers lore.
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As yes the reputable journal Space.com
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Wake up to 40 more posts of this UFO bullshit. It's loving sad how desperate people are for magical explanations.
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"Oh wow look, mod powers that let me view reports and...oh, wait why are there so many reports for the Space thread?" While I get UFO's are fun to discuss and some people think they're definitely aliens and others think there's earthly explanations as to what they are, there's room for reasonable discussion for both view points ITT. Please stop needlessly antagonizing people ITT because they don't subscribe to whatever your theory is on UFOs or whatever. If people can't post without being an rear end in a top hat or needlessly dismissive, I'll start handing out free trips to
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Handsome Ralph posted:"Oh wow look, mod powers that let me view reports and...oh, wait why are there so many reports for the Space thread?" Is there any support for splitting out UFO stuff to its own thread, and renaming this one to not include aliens?
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Is there any support for splitting out UFO stuff to its own thread, and renaming this one to not include aliens? If someone really wants to make a dedicated thread about UFOs or at least about the recent report, so long as it's not Art Bell/Alex Jones levels of posting about UFOs, I see no problem with it. Though UFO chat is still fine in here for the time being so long as they aren't posting like a jerk or posting Alex Jones level takes.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Is there any support for splitting out UFO stuff to its own thread, and renaming this one to not include aliens? There's absolutely no reason to ban astrobiology, Fermi paradox and habitability chat here. If you want to draw a stupid line then just say that the forthcoming UFO thread is for atmospheric aliens and this is for everything outside the atmosphere including space aliens.
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eXXon posted:There's absolutely no reason to ban astrobiology, Fermi paradox and habitability chat here. If you want to draw a stupid line then just say that the forthcoming UFO thread is for atmospheric aliens and this is for everything outside the atmosphere including space aliens. Yeah I agree with this, my wording was not clear.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Is there any support for splitting out UFO stuff to its own thread, and renaming this one to not include aliens? 1600 words written on history so far. Moving onto the alien beastery.
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Bug Squash posted:1600 words written on history so far. Moving onto the alien beastery. Our savoir
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eXXon posted:There's absolutely no reason to ban astrobiology, Fermi paradox and habitability chat here. If you want to draw a stupid line then just say that the forthcoming UFO thread is for atmospheric aliens and this is for everything outside the atmosphere including space aliens. There's a good joke here somewhat but I'm too dumb dumb to figure it out.
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The most intellectually honest answer to "What are UFOs?" is that we simply do not know with certainty. There are a few useful epistemological tools to keep in mind. Why they're not aliens:
Why they are aliens:
Why we should stay open minded:
None of these tools are evidence (for or against), but I think they're useful for thinking through some of our basic assumptions about this question (and indeed, a lot of new/fringe/pseudo science). In conclusion, it's definitely aliens; wake up people!
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J Hume posted:The most intellectually honest answer to "What are UFOs?" is that we simply do not know with certainty. There are a few useful epistemological tools to keep in mind. Is there any evidence to suggest that any particular documented ufo is from outer space? What would that evidence look like? I always assumed it was simply because pop culture had long prepared us to expect aliens and spaceships by the 50s when people started describing weird apparent aircraft.
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