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(e: c'mon Sundae, you can't make that poo poo the 40th post on the page)Sundae posted:Thursday, 2:30PM, phone rings. They really get off on the powerful, however fleeting, sensation of wrecking someone else's weekend for their own petty convenience, don't they? Of course, re-reading what I just wrote, it occurs to me that it's an apt description of the personality of anyone who chooses a career in Auditing.
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- Sundae, we're going to be auditing the [redacted] in your area on Friday.
- Okay.
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i mean i am pretty sure that the auditors would also prefer to not spend their friday night auditing
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Jun 4, 2021 15:43
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Right, but, if *I* have to.....
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Jun 4, 2021 15:48
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:i mean i am pretty sure that the auditors would also prefer to not spend their friday night auditing Well good news! Sundae is making it so they don't have to.
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Che Delilas posted:Well good news! Sundae is making it so they don't have to. everyone wins!!
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Jun 4, 2021 18:44
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But for real, Sundae, you keep protecting your employees like this and the company will transfer you to HR where you won't be able or allowed to.
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Jun 4, 2021 19:10
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Che Delilas posted:But for real, Sundae, you keep protecting your employees like this and the company will transfer you to HR where you won't be able or allowed to. Or into a department like Marketing where you won't want to.
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Jun 4, 2021 20:03
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Che Delilas posted:But for real, Sundae, you keep protecting your employees like this and the company will transfer you to HR where you won't be able or allowed to. See, I'm playing the long game. They'll put me into HR, then transfer me to HR Management where they think I can do the least damage, and then I'll accidentally affirm cafeteria worker unionization. 
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Democratic Pirate posted:1. “We send too many emails, please redirect communications and updates to Slack” I really do truly love how business (and society) has gotten to the point of complicating communications to the breaking point of usability. The reality is there should be a central, fairly concise repository where everyone is forced to review information. theHUNGERian posted:Corporate recently sent out an email asking that managers minimize/eliminate meetings on Fridays to allow people to do focused work on those days. I support this. Unless the meeting is about planning for the next week. I have absolutely no interest in talking about 'big picture' topics on Friday. I want to be left alone to get work done.
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Blue_monday posted:I really do truly love how business (and society) has gotten to the point of complicating communications to the breaking point of usability. The reality is there should be a central, fairly concise repository where everyone is forced to review information. There are now
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There was a fairly major "near miss" gently caress up that traces a line back to "we can't do it properly that's complicated, just do the bare minimum and we'll do the rest manually" decisions made up to 10+ years ago and that happened to coincide with a much, much, bigger gently caress up in a related area and wow funny how "we don't have time or money to 'gold plate' this, just do it all manually" is suddenly an unacceptable approach and everybody wants a "proper fix" ! Bonus: the first suggested "fix" was to manually reconcile two data sets that are not only only different because one of them is manually created with no reference to the other, but the other one is known to be poorly maintained and neither is actually of relevance to the problem in the first place. So the suggested solution which would have been signed off by the risk people, would not have actually done anything. Perfect. Volmarias posted:There are now Look if I can't even reliably remember where documents I've written myself are, how on earth is anybody else going to find them?
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Jun 4, 2021 23:26
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Lol more folks quitting now. I hear that the company is trying to retain them by offering an 8% raise while they are going to places with 30% plus increases. I wonder if this is just going to speed up until even the folks who don’t want to move like me have to be actively looking lest it becomes unsustainable and whole divisions just get shut down. I’m just in a state of always passively looking but so far the only potential options would require a relocation which I don’t want to do.
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Jun 4, 2021 23:37
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One of my friends just bailed to spend the entire summer backpacking, hiking, cycling, etc. I guess three other people on the team had left already, and the future stock vesting schedule wasn't enough. Based on the job posting I just saw to fill more people in my role in my department, I was a bit taken aback by the utter inexperience applicants could have. Being screwed over on promotion by the senior manager (different department) four years ago really has set me back. All together, yeah I'm wondering about leaving the company (for some other job) and trying to come back a year later for the promotion. I wouldn't be leaving much stock. Meanwhile, put me in the in-office bucket. I'm now going one day a week, with in-office productivity notably better, and still not yet back to early 2020 performance yet. I'm not set up with a viable working office at home and I don't want to be. Get your stupid work related everything out of my (non-work) life. As far as job hunting, I'd probably place it above $20k/yr more base salary if you want me working from home. Considering going in two days next week. Depends on things.
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Jun 5, 2021 00:23
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I'm not sure who needs to hear this but giphy has several wonderful dumpster fire gifs for Teams.
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Jun 5, 2021 01:51
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Thomamelas posted:I'm not sure who needs to hear this but giphy has several wonderful dumpster fire gifs for Teams. Lol if you put anything other than safe corporate platitudes on that corporate surveillance product.
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priznat posted:Lol if you put anything other than safe corporate platitudes on that corporate surveillance product. You just have to put a motivational caption below the dumpster fire: "The company is warm, inviting, and I plan to die there" Management in no time.
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Jun 5, 2021 02:17
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:Meanwhile, put me in the in-office bucket. I'm now going one day a week, with in-office productivity notably better, and still not yet back to early 2020 performance yet. I'm not set up with a viable working office at home and I don't want to be. Get your stupid work related everything out of my (non-work) life. As far as job hunting, I'd probably place it above $20k/yr more base salary if you want me working from home. Have you considered getting a copier for your home office? I feel like that might change your prospective.
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Jun 5, 2021 03:33
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FAUXTON posted:what I meant was that the job market was full of openings even before covid and even without remote being commonplace someone wouldn't really ever be running into a lack of choices - if you're working remote now then you were and definitely still are in pretty high demand among local companies - the upside of remote is mainly having access to remote openings paying $20-40k more. You're competing against people from everywhere for those openings though, and many people are willing to take a step back in their career path to go 100% remote. Unless you have a very high demand or specialized skillset, your resume will be one among many well qualified or overqualified candidates.
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I need some advice. I was promoted in February 2020 when my company bought another. My counterpart at the other company was demoted (30% payout) and told to work for me. She was offered a significant severance package if she was willing to stay until September and train her replacement - but she rejected it, hosed everything up for six months - and then quit. Because I got promoted when Covid hit, my promotion was useless because we were all remote and there was no leadership training. At the same time they moved my boss out of the department and put in someone with zero experience in the area. When my former boss told me that was happening - our business partner flipped out and and went crazy. When the demoted employee quit, it was year end and since I work in payroll - the worst time. I expressed concern to some coworkers internally and this same business partner flipped out on me saying she told me not to talk about it (she didn’t.) she tried to get me written up and demoted then. It was decided we would hire from a staffing agency until we got the right person and I hired the perfect employee. 6 weeks ago, I got my review and I got no raise specifically because of my business partner. 2 weeks ago they told me they were hiring the temp…to replace me and demoting me (but they hadn’t even talked to her yet) Last week the crazy business partner told me that if I told anyone internal about this I would have big problems. Usually my recourse here would be to go to my business partner but she’s the problem. I’m just not sure what to do.
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With all respect, and with great sympathy for the hellish situation you're in, I think you know perfectly well what to do. It just sucks and you don't want to do it. Assuming you don't have the savings to immediately resign and look for your next job without the pressure and time sink of your current job, you need to Office Space it, cease all caring about your current role (indeed, viewing it right now in your own mind as my former job not my current job), devote zero energy to it beyond showing up, and devote all available energy to finding another job. Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Jun 5, 2021 |
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Jun 5, 2021 16:33
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Pillowpants posted:I need some advice. Yeah, that's a "I need to find another job ASAP" next move
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Thirding "find a new job immediately". There is no way to make this work. Do not accept any offers from them for retention, raises, transfers that interfere with your taking a different job with another company. You have seen a track record of screwing people. You are next/current.
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Jun 5, 2021 16:37
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Pillowpants posted:2 weeks ago they told me they were hiring the temp…to replace me and demoting me (but they hadn’t even talked to her yet) A totally normal and rational thing to happen. Since it sounds like you're going to have big problems no matter what, it sounds like you have nothing to lose talking to people internally about this. "Don't tell anyone about this" is probably "I've told everyone how pillowpants just mysteriously turned into a fuckup and it's so sad we have to let them go spend more time with their family" and huh maybe the other business partners would be interested in knowing that this person is loving them over for personal power reasons.
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Jun 5, 2021 18:22
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Probably not a good idea to pick that fight. The "business partner" (whatever the hell that actually means) is almost certainly far better at the politicking game than OP (or he wouldn't be in this situation in the first place). It's painful and frustrating but his only good play is to leave ASAP.
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Jun 5, 2021 18:27
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Eric the Mauve posted:Probably not a good idea to pick that fight. The "business partner" (whatever the hell that actually means) is almost certainly far better at the politicking game than OP (or he wouldn't be in this situation in the first place). It's painful and frustrating but his only good play is to leave ASAP. Sure, but if their politicking game is predicated on threatening people that are clearly going to get fired anyway into silence, that doesn't seem like good politicking. I suspect that the facade could crumble if there was any actual communication outside of that one business partner to the rest of the world.
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Volmarias posted:Sure, but if their politicking game is predicated on threatening people that are clearly going to get fired anyway into silence, that doesn't seem like good politicking. I suspect that the facade could crumble if there was any actual communication outside of that one business partner to the rest of the world. OP has already been out-politic'd. This isn't going to help them. If they feel the need to do this, after they have found and started another job is the time, if it can be pulled off without looking like sour grapes.
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N’th’ing the leave ASAP suggestion, especially as someone who has encountered very similar situations both personally and with others. I naively thought I could fight the “good fight” and make it work; reality is I was already a dead man walking and totally hosed there, I just hadn’t accepted it yet to jump on my own terms (speaking of which, I have a longish story much like this that I keep meaning to post from last year). There is little-to-no probability that even if OP manages to outmaneuver the crazy business partner, this would magically work out well for them beyond the very short term security of a paycheck and then to turn things around in medium-to-long term. Based upon what you said, there were pretty serious flags that got progressively worse, even before this latest action:
Whoever matters there doesn’t like, know, or appreciate whatever you do there. The silver lining IMO is that many places are looking to hire like crazy right now, so you can use your promoted title, simply elide the overall problems previously in the interview as “they really struggled during COVID and I wanted more stability” or whatever you think is the most flattering angle to you while not directly badmouthing the past company, and find somewhere better and start fresh.
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I’ve already been interviewing - since the review. All of my references are active employees in management. In fact, I think I’m going to be offered a role next week. The backfill sees how this is being handled and has made more than one comment about not accepting the role. I really just wanted to see if i was right in thinking I’m being targeted for some reason, and try to figure out my next steps in terms of dealing with the the HR rep.
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Getting fired would actually be a great outcome here--he'd be getting paid to find his next job without having to deal with the bullshit anymore. They're trying to intimidate him into resigning so they won't have to pay out a severance or unemployment comp. e: Here's how you deal with the HR rep: don't. Speak only when forced to and then only in buzzwords and cliches. Power the give-a-poo poo all the way down and decommission it. String 'em along. Keep cashing checks.
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Pillowpants posted:I need some advice.
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Jordan7hm posted:This person knew wtf was up and how to handle it. This person got demoted and offered a 40k severance package to leave then, decided not to take it and then left anyways
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Trabant posted:Have you considered getting a copier for your home office? I feel like that might change your prospective. 
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Pillowpants posted:This person got demoted and offered a 40k severance package to leave then, decided not to take it and then left anyways lol never mind then. loving around while looking for a new job, however, is what to do here.
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So, my small 170 employee company was just bought out by a competitor/industry giant! I’ve never been through this before but a lot of it sounds pretty familiar - CEO (and original founder of the small company) will stick around for a year in order to transition things. The messaging is that things stay essentially the same for at least a year, with the exception of benefits now being better (PTO went up from 16 to 23 days, insurance is much better, and there are a bunch of other ancillary benefits we didn’t used to get  ). I am definitely carrying some skepticism, but they’ve also set up a retention bonus scheme that stands to net me 14k split 40/60 over two years, which seems good. Does anyone have an acquisition story that didn’t end in ruin for the non-exec team to make me feel better?
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Not Grover posted:So, my small 170 employee company was just bought out by a competitor/industry giant! I’ve never been through this before but a lot of it sounds pretty familiar - CEO (and original founder of the small company) will stick around for a year in order to transition things. The messaging is that things stay essentially the same for at least a year, with the exception of benefits now being better (PTO went up from 16 to 23 days, insurance is much better, and there are a bunch of other ancillary benefits we didn’t used to get At a previous employer we were acquired by a large conglomerate. I left then but stayed in touch with a few that stayed. There were some cultural changes, but that probably reduced toxicity. The company had been in startup mode for 11 years and a lot of the poo poo from that was purged. They did get some of the usual corporate toxicity but apparently that felt a lot better. Which given how much open warfare there was between departments, there wasn't a lot of place to go but up.
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The only advice I have is that if at any point you're offered a decent severance, take it.
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Eric the Mauve posted:The only advice I have is that if at any point you're offered a decent severance, take it. Seriously. It's a huge flashing message. And if you think you can do better you need a lawyer. And you're probably wrong. Which your lawyer will tell you.
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Not Grover posted:The messaging is that things stay essentially the same for at least a year, with the exception of benefits now being better Kinda curious if anyone I knew is still working there now.
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Not Grover posted:I am definitely carrying some skepticism, but they’ve also set up a retention bonus scheme that stands to net me 14k split 40/60 over two years, which seems good. Does anyone have an acquisition story that didn’t end in ruin for the non-exec team to make me feel better? The mid-big company I joined in 2018 was taken over by a very big company in 2019, and while things have been a bit volatile at the senior manager level the acquisition hasn't been bad. The only real negatives are that decisions take longer and the vibe is more corporate. It will be different at a startup of course but I don't think it will automatically be bad. It depends on how well the culture is assimilated into the new organisation. The therapy I work on was acquired by buying a startup just before I joined and the startup was treated with kid gloves - this actually caused problems down the line because some of those employees never got away from the small company mindset, where everyone does a bit of everything. So I think it depends on what your colleagues are like, what the megacorp is like, and also what sector etc.
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Thomamelas posted:At a previous employer we were acquired by a large conglomerate. I left then but stayed in touch with a few that stayed. There were some cultural changes, but that probably reduced toxicity. The company had been in startup mode for 11 years and a lot of the poo poo from that was purged. They did get some of the usual corporate toxicity but apparently that felt a lot better. Which given how much open warfare there was between departments, there wasn't a lot of place to go but up. My company has also been in startup mode for about a decade. They’re a NZ company with offices in the UK and the US - I joined up 3 years ago when they opened an office in the US. I’m a manager in the implementation service line and the US office has about 80% of the implementation service line. About a year and a half ago, they bought a different (much, much smaller - 20ish people) company that we had a relationship with and within a year most had left, so I’m trying to plan for the outcome that has me pivoting to my next role elsewhere. Related/unrelated bonus story:, I had a project running that was switching from our competitor to us, and when they found out the news they decided to pull the lug on the project because they hate the other company so much. Last minute cancellation like this (literally the Friday before my team was supposed to go on-site for the go live) might cost them about 90% of the project fees based on the contract.
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