Comey Homie posted:

scoring lots of points is a role

Comey Homie posted:

Robert horry and Steve Kerr are all time greats

Azathoth posted:

I'm a Wiggins apologist and hope he can find success, but his problem has always been shot selection. Whether that was instilled in him here in Minnesota when his rookie year and most of his second year was basically "no shot is a bad shot" or whether that's just part of his DNA, who knows. To be successful, he pretty clearly needs to be someone who the offense does not flow through and he needs to only tough the ball after a good situation has been set up for him. The Warriors basically represent a best-case scenario for him, since playing a role like what Klay has been playing is not asking him to exercise a lot of discretion in whether he should be shooting, things have already broken down by the time he's getting the ball and he can attack that. That he's not able to be more successful in that situation is a pretty worrying sign.

Yossarian-22 posted:

if nets win the title this year with a below average defense than the euph thesis of "scoring is bad actually" might fall apart

Telluric Whistler posted:

I'm seeing a whole lot of posters in here that seem to believe stuff like "Jeff Foster is more valuable than Ben Wallace" is controversial... Feels like they don't understand STATISTICS and REGRESSION TO THE MEAN despite claiming to be number heads. Shame
I was a Wiggins apologist probably up to 18-19. Wiggins is just about in the best situation he can be (it'll be better with Klay to take some gravity next year) and he continues to just make bad plays and shots.

Minnie has been such a poo poo show for so long, it's possible his growth was stunted by the situation, but his contemporaries from the team (Lavine and Towns) improved their shot selection and passing. Wiggins basically didn't change his shot selection until Butler came and that coincided with a league wide shift in shot charts plus him losing the primary scoring role. Should be noted he didn't continue to improve in this area after 17-18, and I think it's telling that he continues to take a shot he's really bad at (long 2s) at pretty much the same rate.

Even his improvement this year I'm worried is a bit of a mirage built on a good 3P% despite not really changing his approach on those shots (though he's got much better passers to find him in his spots).

The consistency in his numbers and improvements of those around him tell me he can't or won't study and learn habits to improve his game, which sucks because he has good tools.

euphronius posted:

no you made that up . I never said anything like that

(possible a drunk post but I doubt it)

euphronius posted:

👀 https://twitter.com/rosgo21/status/1382500569399525376?s=21

mastershakeman posted:

Top 10 all time all around players in order, ranked
1 rodman
2 Jordan
3 wilt
4 LeBron
5 pippen
6Hakeem
7 David Robinson
8 Tim duncan
9 artis Gilmore
10 kareem

Yossarian-22 posted:

if nets win the title this year with a below average defense than the euph thesis of "scoring is bad actually" might fall apart

kingcobweb posted:

indigi posted:

scoring points isn’t how you win games. it’s about scoring more points than your opponent. it’s why Embiid’s 39 points today are gaudy but hollow

Yossarian-22 posted:

if the rest of the team had scored 5 more points it wouldn't have been hollow

vyelkin posted:

this is relevant NBA content

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSbLUv7WSXE

Azathoth posted:

The thing that always struck me about Wiggins, and again, Wiggins apologist here, is that he doesn't seem to be someone who actually enjoys playing the game of basketball. My read is that he was put on the path he's on now at a very, very young age and all the way through being the #1 pick in the NBA draft and signing an NBA contract for millions, he was getting by on massive natural talent and being pushed to where he needed to be by parents and coaches who could effectively run his life like drill sergeants. Now that he's in the NBA, for the first time in his life, the choice is up to him how much extra time he puts in and so the fact that he really doesn't enjoy playing basketball means that he's not willing to be a gym rat like Zach Lavine. It legit wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't sign another NBA contract and is out of the league by 30, not because he couldn't get a contract or pulled a Sprewell and talked about feeing his kids, but just because he's got "gently caress you" money now and wants to spend his life doing things he actually enjoys.

kingcobweb posted:

kingcobweb posted:

i know the stats blog post you read about rodman and it was a well-reasoned post, but a lot of it doesn't hold up to stuff we know now. it's heavily based on this all-in-one stat called "Wins Produced" that was made by one absolute crank who thought Kevin Love was the best player in the league with Andre Drummond behind him

Asproigerosis posted:

How embarrassing was it for sixers to get clowned I didn't even know Atlanta had a team lmbo

euphronius posted:

Luka is no where near Lebron Lmao

euphronius posted:

Luka is no where near Lebron Lmao

Yossarian-22 posted:

all things considered 39 points during an injury and leading philly from more than 20 points down to losing by 5 is downright heroic. makes me confident that they'll win the series if embiid can maintain form

mastershakeman posted:

I think it's the win share per 48 metric that isolated rodman hilariously above everyone else

It's just a funny argument to make since he's a unique player whereas you can sub in bird for LeBron for Pippin for kawhi for Luka , etc

vyelkin posted:

i love kawhi leonard

Azathoth posted:

those last 5 words are doing some heavy lifting there
it's not that stat then, his numbers there are reflective of his overall performance. his two peak years, his two all star years with the pistons, have him at .189 and .183 (those make him top 20 in the NBA those years, but not top 10), and his career overall is .150. For contrast, compare him to another defense oriented piston in Ben Wallace, whose best season put him at .190 WS/48 and who finished with a .140 career. to compare to the whole NBA ever, that WS/48 is good enough for 118th overall, right behind Shawn Marion and Patrick Ewing and just ahead of Bill Laimbeer and Steven Adams. by that stat measure, he is not as good as Andre Drummond (106th with .152) or Joakim Noah (79th with .159)