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Comey Homie posted:scoring lots of points is a role exactly. but if that’s all you can do it’s not that valuable
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:09 |
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# ? May 27, 2024 01:57 |
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net points are more valuable than points actually but yes being a chucker can help sometimes
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:10 |
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Robert horry and Steve Kerr are all time greats
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:10 |
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Comey Homie posted:Robert horry and Steve Kerr are all time greats great role players yea (like Steph)
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:11 |
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Top 10 all time all around players in order, ranked 1 rodman 2 Jordan 3 wilt 4 LeBron 5 pippen 6Hakeem 7 David Robinson 8 Tim duncan 9 artis Gilmore 10 kareem
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:15 |
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if nets win the title this year with a below average defense than the euph thesis of "scoring is bad actually" might fall apart
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:15 |
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best all round player is Barkley
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:16 |
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I'm seeing a whole lot of posters in here that seem to believe stuff like "Jeff Foster is more valuable than Ben Wallace" is controversial... Feels like they don't understand STATISTICS and REGRESSION TO THE MEAN despite claiming to be number heads. ShameAzathoth posted:I'm a Wiggins apologist and hope he can find success, but his problem has always been shot selection. Whether that was instilled in him here in Minnesota when his rookie year and most of his second year was basically "no shot is a bad shot" or whether that's just part of his DNA, who knows. To be successful, he pretty clearly needs to be someone who the offense does not flow through and he needs to only tough the ball after a good situation has been set up for him. The Warriors basically represent a best-case scenario for him, since playing a role like what Klay has been playing is not asking him to exercise a lot of discretion in whether he should be shooting, things have already broken down by the time he's getting the ball and he can attack that. That he's not able to be more successful in that situation is a pretty worrying sign. I was a Wiggins apologist probably up to 18-19. Wiggins is just about in the best situation he can be (it'll be better with Klay to take some gravity next year) and he continues to just make bad plays and shots. Minnie has been such a poo poo show for so long, it's possible his growth was stunted by the situation, but his contemporaries from the team (Lavine and Towns) improved their shot selection and passing. Wiggins basically didn't change his shot selection until Butler came and that coincided with a league wide shift in shot charts plus him losing the primary scoring role. Should be noted he didn't continue to improve in this area after 17-18, and I think it's telling that he continues to take a shot he's really bad at (long 2s) at pretty much the same rate. Even his improvement this year I'm worried is a bit of a mirage built on a good 3P% despite not really changing his approach on those shots (though he's got much better passers to find him in his spots). The consistency in his numbers and improvements of those around him tell me he can't or won't study and learn habits to improve his game, which sucks because he has good tools.
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:17 |
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Yossarian-22 posted:if nets win the title this year with a below average defense than the euph thesis of "scoring is bad actually" might fall apart the warriors were bad at scoring scoring is actually good if you score more than the other team which the warriors did not a lot of the time
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:17 |
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doncic is definitely the next lebron because he does amazing things but misses free throws
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:27 |
Telluric Whistler posted:I'm seeing a whole lot of posters in here that seem to believe stuff like "Jeff Foster is more valuable than Ben Wallace" is controversial... Feels like they don't understand STATISTICS and REGRESSION TO THE MEAN despite claiming to be number heads. Shame The thing that always struck me about Wiggins, and again, Wiggins apologist here, is that he doesn't seem to be someone who actually enjoys playing the game of basketball. My read is that he was put on the path he's on now at a very, very young age and all the way through being the #1 pick in the NBA draft and signing an NBA contract for millions, he was getting by on massive natural talent and being pushed to where he needed to be by parents and coaches who could effectively run his life like drill sergeants. Now that he's in the NBA, for the first time in his life, the choice is up to him how much extra time he puts in and so the fact that he really doesn't enjoy playing basketball means that he's not willing to be a gym rat like Zach Lavine. It legit wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't sign another NBA contract and is out of the league by 30, not because he couldn't get a contract or pulled a Sprewell and talked about feeing his kids, but just because he's got "gently caress you" money now and wants to spend his life doing things he actually enjoys.
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:31 |
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euphronius posted:no you made that up . I never said anything like that
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:32 |
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mastershakeman posted:Top 10 all time all around players in order, ranked i know the stats blog post you read about rodman and it was a well-reasoned post, but a lot of it doesn't hold up to stuff we know now. it's heavily based on this all-in-one stat called "Wins Produced" that was made by one absolute crank who thought Kevin Love was the best player in the league with Andre Drummond behind him
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:34 |
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Yossarian-22 posted:if nets win the title this year with a below average defense than the euph thesis of "scoring is bad actually" might fall apart scoring points isn’t how you win games. it’s about scoring more points than your opponent. it’s why Embiid’s 39 points today are gaudy but hollow
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:37 |
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hope you did your stretches before this
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:38 |
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indigi posted:scoring points isn’t how you win games. it’s about scoring more points than your opponent. it’s why Embiid’s 39 points today are gaudy but hollow if the rest of the team had scored 5 more points it wouldn't have been hollow
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:38 |
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Yossarian-22 posted:if the rest of the team had scored 5 more points it wouldn't have been hollow sure and he could have helped that happen, or had a couple blocks/turnovers/defensive rebounds. he’s the best player on the team it’s kind of up to him
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:41 |
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all things considered 39 points during an injury and leading philly from more than 20 points down to losing by 5 is downright heroic. makes me confident that they'll win the series if embiid can maintain form
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:43 |
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this is relevant NBA content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSbLUv7WSXE
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:44 |
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I hope so. I’m not a big Embiid fan (fun to watch but seems like a jerk) but if the knee holds up I think they’ll at least take it to 7
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:46 |
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vyelkin posted:this is relevant NBA content I love him
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:47 |
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Azathoth posted:The thing that always struck me about Wiggins, and again, Wiggins apologist here, is that he doesn't seem to be someone who actually enjoys playing the game of basketball. My read is that he was put on the path he's on now at a very, very young age and all the way through being the #1 pick in the NBA draft and signing an NBA contract for millions, he was getting by on massive natural talent and being pushed to where he needed to be by parents and coaches who could effectively run his life like drill sergeants. Now that he's in the NBA, for the first time in his life, the choice is up to him how much extra time he puts in and so the fact that he really doesn't enjoy playing basketball means that he's not willing to be a gym rat like Zach Lavine. It legit wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't sign another NBA contract and is out of the league by 30, not because he couldn't get a contract or pulled a Sprewell and talked about feeing his kids, but just because he's got "gently caress you" money now and wants to spend his life doing things he actually enjoys. Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me and honestly I would respect that decision - especially because it means he was given millions from Glen Taylor by just saying "I'll do better" in a paternalistic Papa Glen pep talk. Glad he's now cashing checks from the light-years ahead crew. If that's the apologia for Wiggins then sign me up as a Wiggins apologist
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:47 |
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Embiid blew up his knee for that lmbo
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:49 |
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that’s not my tweet lmao
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:51 |
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kingcobweb posted:i know the stats blog post you read about rodman and it was a well-reasoned post, but a lot of it doesn't hold up to stuff we know now. it's heavily based on this all-in-one stat called "Wins Produced" that was made by one absolute crank who thought Kevin Love was the best player in the league with Andre Drummond behind him I think it's the win share per 48 metric that isolated rodman hilariously above everyone else It's just a funny argument to make since he's a unique player whereas you can sub in bird for LeBron for Pippin for kawhi for Luka , etc
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:54 |
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Luka is no where near Lebron Lmao
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:56 |
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I want a catch all stat that somehow isolates shammgod, angle breakers, and reverse layups
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:57 |
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How embarrassing was it for sixers to get clowned I didn't even know Atlanta had a team lmbo
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 22:58 |
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Asproigerosis posted:How embarrassing was it for sixers to get clowned I didn't even know Atlanta had a team lmbo they have a really short point guard who's like a good shooting version of matthew dellavedova
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 23:01 |
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euphronius posted:Luka is no where near Lebron Lmao LeBron got eliminated ages ago and Luka is still playing on my tv , so looks like you're right that Luka is better r
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 23:01 |
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euphronius posted:Luka is no where near Lebron Lmao yeah right now luka is way better
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 23:08 |
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i love kawhi leonard
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Yossarian-22 posted:all things considered 39 points during an injury and leading philly from more than 20 points down to losing by 5 is downright heroic. makes me confident that they'll win the series if embiid can maintain form those last 5 words are doing some heavy lifting there mastershakeman posted:I think it's the win share per 48 metric that isolated rodman hilariously above everyone else
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 23:15 |
oh yeah, in addition to being a wiggins apologist, i'm a ws/48 apologist. sorry you all had to find out this way
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 23:16 |
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vyelkin posted:i love kawhi leonard
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 23:18 |
can someone fill me in on the kawhi hate? like, i get that some people don't like that he's not emotional and is a private guy but in a league jampacked with rapists and domestic abusers, he's so far down the list of people to dislike i just don't understand it
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 23:51 |
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Isn't it mostly about holding out on the Spurs during the ankle injury
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 23:52 |
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I'm unsure of what is a joke and irony wrt NBA posting on SA, just a disclaimer
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 23:53 |
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Azathoth posted:those last 5 words are doing some heavy lifting there Ah yeah you're right Also joakin Noah ruled
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# ? Jun 6, 2021 23:59 |
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kwahi won a title for the raptors and then left that loser city. i like him.
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