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infraboy
Aug 15, 2002

Phungshwei!!!!!!1123
I'm just hoping Tio makes an appearance so Kitsune will be motivated do another translation

minor thing but I like how it looks like your whole party follows you around again.

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King of Solomon
Oct 23, 2008

S S

Hwurmp posted:

Anelace isn't stiff enough in social situations to be a Rean

You have a point there.

Moofia Boss Val
May 14, 2021

The "alignment system" is just going to be a few slight variations of how you handle side quests.

Sidequest
You've been tasked with investigating a robbery at a bakery
You found the culprit
Culprit is poor, the economy is bad and can't find a job, needed to feed his family
Do you:

1. Turn him in. The law is the law.
2. Look the other way
3. Pay for him

And depending on what you pick you will get a different cutscene. No more effort than it takes to develop bonding events which already added a lot of mileage to the games with minimal extra effort. And if there are choices you can pick during the main story, then it will only slightly affect the game with a few altered cutscenes and dialogues. There's not going to be 3 different routes.

As for Rean's love interest, that is as simple as doing the Witcher thing of picking who he romanced in the prior games. They don't need to rewrite the game for all of his love interests; just a few line tweaks here and there will do.

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
I've cancelled my funcoland pre-order of trails of dark rean

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

ive had enough of your disingenuous assertations *punches nielsen*

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Endorph posted:

ive had enough of your disingenuous assertations *punches nielsen*

RENEGADE ACTION

Admiral H. Curtiss
May 11, 2010

I think there are a bunch of people who can create trailing images. I know some who could do this as if they were just going out for a stroll.
Does anyone here happen to own CS3 on EGS? If so, could they generate a list of file SHA1 hashes like this? I'm curious if there are any notable differences in that version of the game compared to the Steam and GoG ones. I know the version number changed (from 1.05 on Steam to 1.06 on EGS) but that could just mean 'supports EGS now'.

SgtSteel91
Oct 21, 2010

Aw man, the end of Act 1 of TCS2 is amazing

It and the following Intermission Chapter are hitting all the plot beats perfectly

This game has me more hooked in than the first CS game

Laura being the last one to call out to Rean in that heart felt way... especially when they just had a scene together talking about how their swordsmanship might not have a place in a war with tanks and mechs, and how once again her swordsmanship was ineffective... that hurt deep :smith:

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


https://mobile.twitter.com/Hatsuu/status/1401102994502946822

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Ah, I know that feeling.

Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010

:hmmorks: :orks:


But seriously, what's up with that lady's age? She can't be a direct disciple of Professor Epstein. Unless there's some homunculus garbage/gnome soul posession bullshit threw in.

...that's the answer, isn't it?

Ethiser
Dec 31, 2011

Saoshyant posted:

But seriously, what's up with that lady's age? She can't be a direct disciple of Professor Epstein. Unless there's some homunculus garbage/gnome soul posession bullshit threw in.

...that's the answer, isn't it?

Its just a sketch of the character, it is probably just a scene in a flashback or exposition dump.

MythosDragon
Jan 3, 2016

I don't think thats her current design. I saw something that said the part where they talked about her was talking about her being a Xipha navigator voice, and that looks like the art the series uses for flashbacks.

Can't refind the stuff though since none of the game sites covered this.

Terper
Jun 26, 2012




Basically, Hamilton recorded her voice when she was young and the image is just showing what she looked like at that time. We have not seen her actual in-game model.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

yeah the dlc literally says 'young' in the description. it is not present day hamilton.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
I hope to god that the Craft we see Van using where he flicks coins at the enemy doesn't actually cost you any mira

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

I hope it's like Gil Toss so you can one shot bosses if you're rich enough

MythosDragon
Jan 3, 2016

Van just wants to be Japan's most popular female character.

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

y'all might know some of this already but Trails from Zero is really good

SgtSteel91
Oct 21, 2010

I've started Act 2 of TCS2, I've been thinking and maybe some of you can help clarify something

What exactly does Class 7 want to do in the war? I understand they don't want to join the Noble Alliance, but also they don't want to join the Imperial Army and prolong the war. And they're not so delusional to think they can enter the theater as a third faction and get both sides to stop fighting. So they want to be a neutral party and go around all of East Erabonia to ease the burden the war is having on the people, like they were doing during their Field Studies... until the War is over? And also they want to liberate Thors Academy from the Noble Alliance... even though doing so can allow an opposing army to set up a FOB towards the Capital that the NA currently occupies. So in that sense, they're still opposing the Noble Alliance? I dunno, I think maybe they should have joined up with the Imperial Army and act as a sort of Strike Force and use the Courageous to make Hit-and-Run attacks on key NA assets or stick with relieving the burden on the people while also undermining the NA.

Moofia Boss Val
May 14, 2021

SgtSteel91 posted:

I've started Act 2 of TCS2, I've been thinking and maybe some of you can help clarify something

What exactly does Class 7 want to do in the war? I understand they don't want to join the Noble Alliance, but also they don't want to join the Imperial Army and prolong the war. And they're not so delusional to think they can enter the theater as a third faction and get both sides to stop fighting. So they want to be a neutral party and go around all of East Erabonia to ease the burden the war is having on the people, like they were doing during their Field Studies... until the War is over? And also they want to liberate Thors Academy from the Noble Alliance... even though doing so can allow an opposing army to set up a FOB towards the Capital that the NA currently occupies. So in that sense, they're still opposing the Noble Alliance? I dunno, I think maybe they should have joined up with the Imperial Army and act as a sort of Strike Force and use the Courageous to make Hit-and-Run attacks on key NA assets or stick with relieving the burden on the people while also undermining the NA.

Class VII is operating like AEUG from Gundam: they're fighting against the bad guys but they know that the Federation (in this case, the Imperials) are NOT good guys either and can go bad at any time, the implication being that the heroes will go after the Feddies/Imperials too if they pull anything devious. Unfortunately, the bad side of the Imperials is downplayed in CS1+2, so a lot of people tend to assume that the Imperials are the good guys fighting against the evil NA. In Sky we knew that Osborne was on a conquest spree and had conquered several small, unnamed countries, but these countries are never brought up in CS. Could have been an opportunity to depict guerilla resistance fighters. Also, the Imperial Army doesn't really do any cruel shenagains in CS1+2. The "imperials are NOT your friends" thing would have been better driven home if we had scene them acting more... ruthlessly, perhaps bombarding NA occupied settlements, taking people hostage because they are related to known NA leaders, etc.

infraboy
Aug 15, 2002

Phungshwei!!!!!!1123
If you're familiar with the previous arcs Class VII is mostly acting like the guild by trying to prevent open war in the Nord Highlands, prevent innocent hostage taking (Fiona), etc. Thors is a pretty strategic location since it's close to Heimdallr and it's believed the Noble Alliance is keeping the faculty hostage even though it's ultimately pretty lacking once you get to it. They're mostly against the nobles because they're holding Elise and most of the Royal family captive. Ultimately they're too small to really directly help the imperial army and don't want casualties to grow. Towards the end of act 2 you're really just prepping for the showdown between Valimar x Ordine because they is really what Vita is trying to accomplish

Don't want to be a gatekeeper but it's not a bad idea to dip your toes in the Sky and Crossbell arcs before CS III and especially before IV.

infraboy fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Jun 7, 2021

SgtSteel91
Oct 21, 2010

Okay, maybe I hadn’t really associated siding with the Imperial Army with condoning the Reformist Faction or Osborne. It just looks to me that while people like Crow and the Imperial Liberation Front had legit grievances with Osborne’s agenda, the NA as a whole just seems like they’re angry the plebs are chipping away at their power. And in that sense they’re the clear bad guys who shouldn’t win the war

Veryslightlymad
Jun 3, 2007

I fight with
my brain
and with an
underlying
hatred of the
Erebonian
Noble Faction

SgtSteel91 posted:

I've started Act 2 of TCS2, I've been thinking and maybe some of you can help clarify something

What exactly does Class 7 want to do in the war? I understand they don't want to join the Noble Alliance, but also they don't want to join the Imperial Army and prolong the war. And they're not so delusional to think they can enter the theater as a third faction and get both sides to stop fighting. So they want to be a neutral party and go around all of East Erabonia to ease the burden the war is having on the people, like they were doing during their Field Studies... until the War is over? And also they want to liberate Thors Academy from the Noble Alliance... even though doing so can allow an opposing army to set up a FOB towards the Capital that the NA currently occupies. So in that sense, they're still opposing the Noble Alliance? I dunno, I think maybe they should have joined up with the Imperial Army and act as a sort of Strike Force and use the Courageous to make Hit-and-Run attacks on key NA assets or stick with relieving the burden on the people while also undermining the NA.

They are a third faction. Period. They're pretty explicit in wanting to get Crow back and reunite the class. This literally cannot happen if the Imperials win, as that government sees him as a terrorist. While the Noble faction doesn't even consider Crow a criminal, (since he's on their side) the rest of the class is pretty on the ball in seeing them as autocratic usurpers that would be terrible for the common people and also by this point in the game personally kidnapped Rean's sister and tossed Machias's dad into political jail.

But everyone in class VII, including Machias, whose father is an ally of Osborne's, sees the Imperialists as corrupt, warmongering assholes that are also terrible for Erebonians. Remember, the Imperialists/Reformers are the ones who shut down the Bracer Guild. A lot of the triage and "actually aiding citizens during the civil war" that Class VII focuses on would, in this universe, have highly trained specialists already handling, except Osborne disbanded almost all of them.

Class VII, I would argue, are correct in seeing this as an opportunity to be the ones who force governmental change---because it's a given that this is an event that will change the government of the country. But as the world order of either faction with armies is unacceptable to them for a variety of reasons, and because they have just enough power, thanks mostly to Valimar, to have a puncher's chance of actually accomplishing it, they are rolling the dice and betting on themselves.


When you beat the game, I will elaborate more to back up my argument, which I am sure will be disagreed with here, but their motivations actually make a lot of sense.

EDIT
The most meaningful quote of CS2, in regards to Class VII's intentions or point of view vis a vis the ongoing crisis isn't one of the big goofy speeches or the class all getting in their own rebuke to a villain, it's one of Rean's victory quotes: "We'll cut our own path."

Veryslightlymad fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Jun 7, 2021

Moofia Boss Val
May 14, 2021

SgtSteel91 posted:

Okay, maybe I hadn’t really associated siding with the Imperial Army with condoning the Reformist Faction or Osborne. It just looks to me that while people like Crow and the Imperial Liberation Front had legit grievances with Osborne’s agenda, the NA as a whole just seems like they’re angry the plebs are chipping away at their power. And in that sense they’re the clear bad guys who shouldn’t win the war

To the rest of the world, the NA are the good guys. Cayenne has no ambitions of conquering other countries like Osborne has been doing. Cayenne just wants to return Erebonia back to the status quo before Osborne came along. That's the whole reason why the NA is receiving support from foreign countries in the first place (and the Imperials aren't). An NA victory is in the best interests of everyone not named Erebonia.

Veryslightlymad posted:

EDIT
The most meaningful quote of CS2, in regards to Class VII's intentions or point of view vis a vis the ongoing crisis isn't one of the big goofy speeches or the class all getting in their own rebuke to a villain, it's one of Rean's victory quotes: "We'll cut our own path."

More specifically, Class VII is working with Prince Olivier's 3rd way, called the Crimson Wings. So it's more of Reformist/Imperials vs Noble Alliance/ILF vs Class VII/Crimson Wings. Again, this isn't really obvious at first glance as the Crimson Wings aren't fighting the Imperials right now.

Moofia Boss Val fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Jun 7, 2021

Veryslightlymad
Jun 3, 2007

I fight with
my brain
and with an
underlying
hatred of the
Erebonian
Noble Faction
Right, and I have a coherent, stern rebuke to some of the arguments this thread has made against Class VII's motivations, but as someone is dealing with the game right now, I intend to wait.

SgtSteel91
Oct 21, 2010

Moofia Boss Val posted:

Also, the Imperial Army doesn't really do any cruel shenagains in CS1+2. The "imperials are NOT your friends" thing would have been better driven home if we had scene them acting more... ruthlessly, perhaps bombarding NA occupied settlements, taking people hostage because they are related to known NA leaders, etc.

Yeah my only real interaction with the Imperial Army are Major Vander in Nord, Elliot’s father, and Clair of the RMP (even if she respected Osborne, she’s show to respect Class 7 and gives them support when they decide their place in the war). If the game pushed more the idea that the Imperial Army agreed with Osborne’s ideals or wanted to keep the status quo Osborne had in place wrt growing nationalism paving over Erabonian culture or imperialist expansion, I’d get why Class 7 would take a third path and try to push their own version of change for the country. As it stands now, I was viewing the Imperial Army as a state army fighting a guerrilla war against a coup instigated by group of autocrats; and even though the NA does have legit grievances with the Reformists/Osborne, Erabonia under their control will still be bad, but in a different way.

SgtSteel91 fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Jun 7, 2021

BisterdDave
Apr 21, 2004

Slitzweitz!
Kuro No Kiseki trailer

drat that music is pretty good, I really hope this gets a localization.

Tales of Woe
Dec 18, 2004

a new arc trails game is 100% to get a localization. i'd worry more about hajimari but that probably will still

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

Tales of Woe posted:

a new arc trails game is 100% to get a localization. i'd worry more about hajimari but that probably will still

They don't have a new Ys game to bottleneck them, there's no worries.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
I paused the Kuro trailer when the lady is throwing her card and it has French on it!

"Il ne faut pas éveiller le chat qui dort."

According to some translate, that means "The sleeping cat must not be awakened."

Also, that sandy wasteland is most definitely what's happening in East Zemuria, with the dragon veins and stuff.

Care to place your bets on if the Septerrion will be? Wind, Water, or Time?

Veryslightlymad
Jun 3, 2007

I fight with
my brain
and with an
underlying
hatred of the
Erebonian
Noble Faction
I wouldn't be shocked if Calvard had two. And while water would make sense, I think the general entropy points toward time.

Why are we spoiling speculation?

Moofia Boss Val
May 14, 2021

Before CS4, the popular theory was that the Salt Pale that struck North Ambria that the Church recovered was actually a corrupted Sept-Terion of Water, but then CS4 happened and quashed that theory. So that means Water will have a decent chance of factoring into the Calvard story. Would be needed to rejuvenate the East.



When the teaser website for Kuro first launched, people thought that we might go to a different time period, so the Sept-Terion of time would be involved. But this hasn't come up since and it would appear it was just Falcom being misleading with their marketing. It should be noted, that in the Trails series, the black element called "Time" is more associated with Hell/Gehenna/Demons/Devils than it is with actual time manipulation, so if there is a sudden demon invasion I'd suspect that the Sept-Terion of Time to be responsible for that.

Thematically, Wind makes sense. Same green color scheme as the emblem of Calvard. Calvard has motifs around flying and the stars/heavens naming scheme.

Hajimari spoilers
Third phase of Ouroboros' plans is called "The Eternal Recurrence", which implies a time loop. However, the prior two plans "Gospel" and "Phantasmal Blaze" had nothing to do with the names of the Sept-Terions they revolved around, so this is probably a red herring.

Gramhardt is exploring other worlds, which would imply portals, like the Sept-Terion of Space, but Ouroboros already has the Aureole and Gramhardt didn't negotiate for it. It's also unlikely that Falcom will pull the "we made an artificial sept-terion" thing again, so I dunno how he's supposed to reach other worlds. Unless he means other timelines, in which case the Sept-Terion of time is back on the table.

infraboy
Aug 15, 2002

Phungshwei!!!!!!1123
East of Calvard there is a significant desertification happening which a lot of the game references, hence Calvard tends to take in a lot of immigrants and refugees, and this eventually lead to their own internal struggle as it deals with it's anti-immigration faction. So I get the feeling the Sept-Terion of water has a play here.

I'm pretty confident Hajimari will get the localization since it has big story points, but so did the two Crossbell games...

I just get a feeling certain "minigames" get cut from the western version leading to some more censorship outcry for pervy boys.

Moofia Boss Val
May 14, 2021

infraboy posted:

I just get a feeling certain "minigames" get cut from the western version leading to some more censorship outcry for pervy boys.

Given that neither Ys 8 or CS4 were censored, I doubt it.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

infraboy posted:

I just get a feeling certain "minigames" get cut from the western version leading to some more censorship outcry for pervy boys.
1) censorship is always terrible

2) nothing in hajimari is enough to get cut

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
Oh, also, the white-haired tachi user is clearly using some sort of ice-based variant on Rean's Helix Craft

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

yeah shes pretty obviously be an eight leaves user, which gives me hope we'll see yun and anelace

hajimari spoilers her names hime, shes very very briefly in hajimari, she's from a mercenary group called ikaruga.

Endorph fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jun 8, 2021

infraboy
Aug 15, 2002

Phungshwei!!!!!!1123
I know Walter is going to be in Kuro but there was a non-interference agreement between Ouroboros x Calvard so i'm guessing he's just playing as an independent as they are allowed to.

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Moofia Boss Val
May 14, 2021

infraboy posted:

I know Walter is going to be in Kuro but there was a non-interference agreement between Ouroboros x Calvard so i'm guessing he's just playing as an independent as they are allowed to.

Ao and Hajimari Given how Ouroboros backstabbed Dieter in Ao by promising him Ouro support, and then taking it away at the critical moment and leaving him hanging, I have no doubt that Ouro will backstab Gramhardt and Calvard too the moment they think they can get away with it.

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