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It takes a lot of money to engage in public cleanup. The right gets upset that that money is being spent at all, the left gets upset it isn’t being spent where it’s needed more. There’s never really enough will to fund cleanup crews for anything outside of the part of town where all the conventions/tourists/business visitors go
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Jun 6, 2021 15:31
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Barudak posted:Unironically creating a folder of articles about the inefficacy of the chinese vaccine purely because a family member pissed me off about it Wumao uncle?
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Jun 6, 2021 15:41
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The funny thing is, most people I talk to here are very clear about how they know that the vaccines don't work that well. It's not a huge mystery, it's just that the side effects are as minor as one would expect from such a standard/proven vaccine framework (although this has obviously resulted in uninspiring efficacy), and the virus can demonstrably be beaten without a vaccine by a sufficiently, uh, vigorous public health response, so people don't worry so much.
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Alan Smithee posted:Wumao uncle?
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Jun 6, 2021 16:34
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Barudak posted:Unironically creating a folder of articles about the inefficacy of the chinese vaccine purely because a family member pissed me off about it I assume you saw this one: https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/06/china-ramps-up-vaccinations-as-other-countries-back-away-from-its-vaccines/
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Atopian posted:It's not a huge mystery, it's just that the side effects are as minor as one would expect from such a standard/proven vaccine framework (although this has obviously resulted in uninspiring efficacy), and the virus can demonstrably be beaten without a vaccine by a sufficiently, uh, vigorous public health response, so people don't worry so much. The problem now is less about beating the virus and more about being able to return to pre-pandemic levels of global integration and Chinese vaccines not being very good means that China's economic slump might last longer than the West's which could have all sorts of ramifications
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Jun 6, 2021 23:16
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What are you talking about fojar, China had GDP growth of 18% last quarter. Edit: I posted this sarcastically but apparently that figure comes from Bloomberg and Reuters said 19% so who knows. Weka fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Jun 6, 2021 |
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Jun 6, 2021 23:56
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if noones buying chinas vaccine outside china whos being it in china? last i checked they dont like to buy domestic. winnie the poo sure as poo poo isnt using their vaccine when he can get moderna or pfizer
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Jun 7, 2021 00:08
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Fojar38 posted:The problem now is less about beating the virus and more about being able to return to pre-pandemic levels of global integration and Chinese vaccines not being very good means that China's economic slump might last longer than the West's which could have all sorts of ramifications Considering that Covid overwhelmingly has a disproportionate impact based on age returning to pre-pandemic levels of global integration without an effective vaccine may be good for China's long term stability.
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Jun 7, 2021 00:11
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Fojar38 posted:The problem now is less about beating the virus and more about being able to return to pre-pandemic levels of global integration and Chinese vaccines not being very good means that China's economic slump might last longer than the West's which could have all sorts of ramifications A potentially serious issue, yes. Presumably if it came to it, they'd distribute something like pfizer to key groups (healthcare workers, customer-facing stuff, etc). As I understand it, they're already obtaining small amounts of some other vaccines. Obviously wouldn't be good for pride, but I'm sure they value not having s other factory stoppage more.
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Jun 7, 2021 00:23
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Growing up in the suburbs, I was not prepared for the trash levels in Seoul. Like I'm sure American cities are just as filthy if not more so, but I was shocked at the time that bags of trash were just everywhere on the streets. Then I moved to glorious Taiwan and all was right again.
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Jun 7, 2021 01:22
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Help, I am a foreign policy dullard. Can someone plz help me understand China's policy of making every neighbouring country hate them. I honestly thought their "get people to like China" policy was going pretty well??
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Jun 7, 2021 01:34
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It's pretty dumb and bad yeah. Hence why last week Xi announced that thing about China revising its foreign policy to be more humble and friendly. I suspect it's too late for that but will be interesting to find out.
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Jun 7, 2021 01:39
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Tree Bucket posted:Help, I am a foreign policy dullard. Can someone plz help me understand China's policy of making every neighbouring country hate them. I honestly thought their "get people to like China" policy was going pretty well?? The Chinese government believes they're better than anyone else and they act on that belief.
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Jun 7, 2021 01:41
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Zero chance Vietnam, Aus/NZ and Taiwan ever will be friends, N Korea has no one else, Philippines is actually trying to cozy up to China. Strategically that don’t really have any clear allies besides N Korea, but they’re trying to make some in Africa.
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Tree Bucket posted:Help, I am a foreign policy dullard. Can someone plz help me understand China's policy of making every neighbouring country hate them. I honestly thought their "get people to like China" policy was going pretty well?? I mean they claimed nearly the entire regional sea right up to coastlines 1500km from recognized Chinese territory as actual Chinese national territory rather than international waters. They're frequently harassing/ramming/sinking their neighbor's commercial ships while in turn running gigantic illegal fishing ops inside said neighbors internationally recognized waters. They've built fortified manmade island military bases near the shores of their neighbors. They're building villages inside the internationally recognized territory of Bhutan while having deadly brawls at the border with India - where they keep moving border markers. All while in the middle of a gigantic military buildup, an ongoing genocide to secure one of their recently annexed territories, and putting the boot to the throat of Hong Kong. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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Jun 7, 2021 02:04
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Philippines is actually trying to cozy up to China That doesn't appear to be the case anymore. The Philippines tried to be friendly in the hopes that the PRC would back off on their SCS incursions if they considered the Philippines to be more friendly and the result was that the PRC kept on doing exactly the same thing except now expected the Philippines to shut up and smile about it.
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Jun 7, 2021 02:06
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It’s interesting having read the next 100 years which is basically an homage to geographical determinism since it seems like he got China right, China is and kinda always has been due to geography in a position where it’s mostly safe from any real strategic threat to its core but has no where to expand that isn’t a military and logistical nightmare. His prediction is that this is another peak in China where it opens itself up to the world, does well, then later becomes unstable and retreats from the world and great power games or breaks.
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Jun 7, 2021 02:09
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:but they’re trying to buy some in Africa.
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Jun 7, 2021 02:13
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:It’s interesting having read the next 100 years which is basically an homage to geographical determinism since it seems like he got China right, China is and kinda always has been due to geography in a position where it’s mostly safe from any real strategic threat to its core but has no where to expand that isn’t a military and logistical nightmare. Ya, there is a reason the various Chinese states have occupied roughly the same territory for like 2000 years. There's loving nothing to the north except guys on horses that will kill you, the west is the biggest tangle of mountains in the world plus one of the worst deserts, the south is also mountainous plus a jungle full of fun diseases that kill your armies, and east is ocean. Places like Korea or Vietnam were just black holes of soldiers and resources for no real gain every time China tried to conquer them. The closest they ever got to really expanding was when they were actually just one of many regions of the Mongol Empire. The most important region to be sure, but still a conquered nation.
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Jun 7, 2021 02:17
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Barudak posted:I have a family member who keeps telling me to take the China vaccine, just to prove my loyalty and support the country. Again, I am not a dual citizen and no one else in the family got vaccinated because the disease is already beaten in China so no need to worry in their opinion Re: the bolded part. You know how there are nutjobs in 'the west' saying stuff like "COVID is all a Chinese plot, and the vaccine will be full of Huawei 5g and communism in a pill" etc. Are there similar CCP shills saying stuff like "Only the Chinese vaccination will protect you. If you get the Pfizer or Astro Zenecca, then you will become infected with western ideas like hamburgers and not making GBS threads in the streets."?
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Fojar38 posted:That doesn't appear to be the case anymore. The Philippines tried to be friendly in the hopes that the PRC would back off on their SCS incursions if they considered the Philippines to be more friendly and the result was that the PRC kept on doing exactly the same thing except now expected the Philippines to shut up and smile about it. Love how duterte acted like he was boss bitch action star of Philippine Dirty Harry and then went Ted Cruz for Xi
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BrigadierSensible posted:Re: the bolded part. Hold up we do plenty of making GBS threads in the street in my home state of California, as well as Belgians, apparently.
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Jun 7, 2021 02:23
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Jun 7, 2021 02:24
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Hold up we do plenty of making GBS threads in the street in my home state of California, as well as Belgians, apparently.
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Jun 7, 2021 02:27
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Shumagorath posted:a nation famous for its trains That article from a few years back of China's four great modern invention that included high speed trains (and three other technologies that also were not, in any way, invented in China) was great fun.
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Grand Fromage posted:more humble and friendly So a bribery spree, then.
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It was another thread someone asked if reverse nationalists “bankies” like tankies existed in China
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:It was another thread someone asked if reverse nationalists “bankies” like tankies existed in China I've never seen one because the Chinese Government is extremely good at structuring the conversation and framework of citizens such that someone educated enough to say "China Bad" would not immediately assume "other all good". But if they do exist by god I want to read what they write
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Grand Fromage posted:That article from a few years back of China's four great modern invention that included high speed trains (and three other technologies that also were not, in any way, invented in China) was great fun. I've said this before, but it is baffling to me the way that China/CCP decides to crow loudly and publicly about poo poo like this which can be proven wrong and only makes them look petty. But they stay quiet about WeChat-pay and Alipay. Because, (to my uninformed mind), it is a legitimately impressive accomplishment to have implemented these services over such a wide base, (geographical, social, and economic), where you can use your phone to pay for everything from a 5 star hotel stay in Beijing to the baozi sold by on old lady out of a cart on a side street in Fuzhou. And you can do so quickly, easily, and without fuss. I know you can do that everywhere in the world now, but China was doing it first, and doing it well and easily, and widely adopted. But they don't seem to use this as an accomplishment of the glorious CCP, when I reckon they could.
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Weka posted:What are you talking about fojar, China had GDP growth of 18% last quarter. It's 19% compared to the same quarter last year, so Q1 2021 vs Q1 2020, which is right at the start of the pandemic. The global economy basically had the worst recession since WW2 last spring/summer, so it's no surprise when you compare growth stats to that time that things look a lot better right now. Edit: BrigadierSensible posted:I've said this before, but it is baffling to me the way that China/CCP decides to crow loudly and publicly about poo poo like this which can be proven wrong and only makes them look petty. They definitely tried to, but it's hard make something visually impressive when you're just scanning your phone or transferring money with an app versus a high-speed train, huge bridge, or time-lapse build of a hospital. I remember in one of the past iterations of this thread there was a job posting asking for foreigners to be filmed while using the "new" innovations in China. One of scenarios was using Alipay to buy stuff and pay for public transportation. CIGNX fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:It’s interesting having read the next 100 years which is basically an homage to geographical determinism since it seems like he got China right It is kind of eerie how accurate his early century forecast was but he makes the mistake of trying to remain specific wrt what happens in like 2060 and you get batshit insane stuff like predictions of a World War between an Anglo-American-Polish alliance and a Japanese-Turkish-French-German alliance
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Tree Bucket posted:Help, I am a foreign policy dullard. Can someone plz help me understand China's policy of making every neighbouring country hate them. I honestly thought their "get people to like China" policy was going pretty well?? Boomer Ultra-Nationalists are a hugely powerful political demographic in China. This is the result.
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