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Algund Eenboom posted:Don’t forget about the isis recruiter Yep https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/10/mark-ames-shamiwitness-bellingcat-neocons-collaborated-influential-isis-propagandist-twitter.html Also lmao https://www.rt.com/uk/441968-eliot-higgins-twitter-feuds-bellingcat/
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Jun 7, 2021 18:22
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paul_soccer12 posted:always lol that the pasty doughboy from the pedophisles called himself Brown Moses lol this is literally just Enders Game right down to the kids calling themselves Locke and Demosthenes
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Jun 7, 2021 18:28
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So if he's british, has connections to the intelligence community, and is in some ways responsible for war crimes, is it safe to assume that he's also a nonce?
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Jun 7, 2021 18:30
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paul_soccer12 posted:oh my GOD lol i hadnt seen this timestamp w t f
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Jun 7, 2021 18:31
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paul_soccer12 posted:oh my GOD lol i hadnt seen this timestamp Lmfao, when immediately pressed he starts listing off twitter personalities he follows. The more goony of goons.
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Jun 7, 2021 18:35
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Jun 7, 2021 18:39
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well taibbi is a poo poo but I hate bellingcat more so in the words of that guy from Godzilla “let them fight”
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indigi posted:well taibbi is a poo poo but I hate bellingcat more so in the words of that guy from Godzilla “let them fight” Taibbi has some dog poo poo opinions but he also makes some good points with decent regularity and he doesn’t feel actively malicious. Brown Moses on the other hand Gonna stand with Matt in this fight
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Jun 7, 2021 19:03
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Jose posted:Lol he's mad he got shown up I actually watched that whole video and holy poo poo TYT really is full on garbarge now. They completely omit the fact that while many Syrians may rightfully not like Assad, they see him as a reliable bulwark against the internationally funded rampaging hordes of Jihadists who were raping, beheading, and enslaving pretty much every Syrian minority in every area they took over who didn't adhere to their extremely radical rear end backwards interpretation of Sunni Islam. Ana is actually saying that Syrians overwhelmingly voted for Assad over fears of reprisal from him. Yeah, I'm sure she just forgot to mention that the US is still occupying about a 1/3rd of Syria and that Syrian's aren't aware that those same Jihadists that many of them faced annihilation against are still in control the province of Idlib right next door under protection from Turkey and the US. Just loving slipped her mind.
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Gumball Gumption posted:This website is so loving weird. Is this true? i wish i had a link to the middle east thread at the right point to refresh my memory. I recall pictures w/ two towers and stuff and eventually the thread IDd where the ISIS duders where hanging out and then they got liquidated. whoops! it was right about the time brown moses began talking about open source journalism nonstop
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Is Brown Moses not permabanned anymore? That's kind of unfair to the non-aligned movement and especially China
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Jun 7, 2021 20:13
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the tendencies in the West that said "Neither Washington nor Moscow" weren't, in general, very friendly to the non-Aligned countries either.
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Demon Semen posted:Max Blumenthal just retweeted this. why isn't Brown Moses permabanned?
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https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3815682&userid=27232 lmfao
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i didnt actually read the posts but just the concept of those posts existing is hilarious.
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paul_soccer12 posted:oh my GOD lol i hadnt seen this timestamp lol i had to search a bit to find that particular clip because i couldn't find the original tweet about it with it timestamped
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a Loving Dog posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3815682&userid=27232 lmfao Scroll to the bottom. The last one is worth it
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Yossarian-22 posted:That's kind of unfair to the non-aligned movement and especially China Atrocious Joe posted:the tendencies in the West that said "Neither Washington nor Moscow" weren't, in general, very friendly to the non-Aligned countries either. Right, the non-aligned movement was a completely different beast from "Third Campists" in the First World left. Third Campist Trotskyites weren't siding with Beijing either.
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Jun 7, 2021 23:07
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HashtagGirlboss posted:Scroll to the bottom. The last one is worth it lol
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Atrocious Joe posted:the tendencies in the West that said "Neither Washington nor Moscow" weren't, in general, very friendly to the non-Aligned countries either. They were extremely pro-Vietnam and pro-Cuba. Not everyone who isn't a full-throated Marxist-Leninist is an imperialist stooge you know https://www.counterfire.org/articles/opinion/19399-neither-washington-nor-moscow
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Jun 7, 2021 23:24
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Everybody and their dog is Pro-Vietnam & Cuba. Even the anarcho-interventionists who want the US to intervene in Syria claim to be pro-Cuba.
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supporting Cuba/Vietnam in that period kind of necessitates support of their main source of international aid and assistance in the face of global capital (and the CPC in the latter's case). if you're against the USSR's "imperialism" how does that not extend to their main benefactors? it's kind of like saying you're against the US but in favor of, idk, Israel and Saudi Arabia. I don't get how you square those opinions
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I still don't understand what the difference is between a marginal far left political party claiming that it's in solidarity with comrade Gaddafi vs. that same party being against NATO intervention and sanctions in Libya but being "anti-campist." Like either way the outcome doesn't change. It might be worth pointing out that Libya's standard of living was the highest in Africa for argument's sake but that's abstract from the argument of whether Gaddafi was "good" or "bad" and who cares either way when issuing value judgments has no affect on the outcome?
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indigi posted:supporting Cuba/Vietnam in that period kind of necessitates support of their main source of international aid and assistance in the face of global capital (and the CPC in the latter's case). if you're against the USSR's "imperialism" how does that not extend to their main benefactors? it's kind of like saying you're against the US but in favor of, idk, Israel and Saudi Arabia. I don't get how you square those opinions
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Either taking a stance on foreign policy issues matters or it doesn't, Yossarian. You can't have it both ways.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Either taking a stance on foreign policy issues matters or it doesn't, Yossarian. You can't have it both ways. It does, but saying "I am against U.S. imperialism in Afghanistan" vs. "I support the anti-imperialist struggle of the Taliban against U.S. imperialism" literally makes zero difference if you are in a political party with upwards of 100 people, and the fact that people get hung up over rhetorical differences like that is extremely lol
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Everybody and their dog is Pro-Vietnam & Cuba. Even the anarcho-interventionists who want the US to intervene in Syria claim to be pro-Cuba. particularly advanced ultraleftists are also against cuba and vietnam. libcom has multiple articles and pamphlets talking about the evil vietnamese imperialism involved in invading cambodia lol
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Addendum: saying in a loud voice that "I am against the U.S. AND the Taliban" also doesn't matter one iota and nobody cares either way how principled or unprincipled, qualified or unqualified your opposition to imperialism is
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OK, so being anti-imperialist doesn't matter but it's still important for you to defend the anti-imperialist legacy of Third Campists. How do we square this circle?
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Jose posted:yes lol this is a great opportunity to ask, what the hell does "open source intelligence" mean? I ask because bellingcat has built their entire career on it. my 2 minutes of reading makes me conclude it's using some fairly normal sources and "journalism" but Higgins can look smart while reading tea leaves, screaming about "disninfo patterns" that are interjected with who you follow on twitter in order to get away with lies
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Who is "they?" The Socialist Workers Party was, and is still, pro-Cuba, and protested the US war on Vietnam. I believe they were generally supportive or at least split internally over the NLF, but refused to support the NLF with their slogans. They are Trots, but not imperialist stooges. Meanwhile you had groups led by people like Hal Draper, who was at the time part of a predecessor to the now disbanded ISO, writing stuff calling for the overthrow of the Cuba government in 1969. quote:We would like to, see the Castro regime overthrown by the Cuban people in favor of a regime of socialist democracy, but this task cannot be contracted out to American imperialism, which is interested only in installing a regime subsevient to world capitalism. And saying that revolutionaries need to prepare to combat Ho Chi Minh and the NLF quote:The victory of the NLF is a hard fact, but no one’s victory changes our political opinion of him. We remain revolutionary opponents of the NLF as of the Castro regime, and do not foster illusions about either. We combat glorification of the NLF, such as is met among some left opponents of U.S. Vietnam policy who think that opposition to American imperialism entails uncritical gilding of its victims, and who wrong-headedly use the NLF (for example) as a symbol of the struggle for Vietnamese self-determination. Such political glorification of the NLF springs from two quite different sources: (a) Consciously pro-Communist elements who boost the NLF because it is the road to Communist power. (b) Naive, basically liberal elements who identify the NLF politically with anti-imperialism through the same uninformed ingenuousness as once promoted the line that Mao was only an agrarian reformer. They exaggerate the non-Communist side of the NLF as an argument against U.S. policy, thereby in fact conceding part of the principle to U.S. anti-Communism.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:OK, so being anti-imperialist doesn't matter It does matter but the rhetorical flourishes or "qualifiers" don't in either direction Pener Kropoopkin posted:but it's still important for you to defend the anti-imperialist legacy of Third Campists. I don't even identify as a Trotskyist. I just think it's unfair to paint them all with the same brush especially when serious Leninists and Trotskyists haven't had any real disagreements about anything since Hungary happened in 1956, the one instance where they all pretty much universally landed on opposite sides of the same conflict
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i can at least understand the anarchist train of thought but trots and leftcoms are completely inscrutable to me. its like their entire ideology just revolves around being annoying
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Zmej posted:holy poo poo, what spineless little cretin it means you look up wikipedia pages and liveleak videos and even though you have no background or expertise or even knowledge of the relevant languages you are now equipped to make precise judgements and here's hundreds of thousands of dollars in shady government funding and lots of TV appearances
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John Charity Spring posted:it means you look up wikipedia pages and liveleak videos and even though you have no background or expertise or even knowledge of the relevant languages you are now equipped to make precise judgements and here's hundreds of thousands of dollars in shady government funding and lots of TV appearances congratulations, the dutch lottery is funding you now
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Yossarian-22 posted:It does matter but the rhetorical flourishes or "qualifiers" don't in either direction You could just say that you don't know what you're talking about. You don't want them all to be painted with the same brush, but your initial problem was with lumping third campists in with the Non-Aligned Movement & China. Which nobody did.
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trying to imagine a guy in New York in 1967 who hated China and the USSR for being revisionist, but was a real big fan of Nasser
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Atrocious Joe posted:Who is "they?" The Socialist Workers Party was, and is still, pro-Cuba, and protested the US war on Vietnam. I believe they were generally supportive or at least split internally over the NLF, but refused to support the NLF with their slogans. They are Trots, but not imperialist stooges. I'd say the idiocy of Draper here lies not in the fact that he's secretly fantasizing about a U.S. overthrow of Cuba/Vietnam (although probably many Trots did) but rather in his fantasy that he actually thinks the working classes of those countries actually give a poo poo about his perspective. Plus if you really believe in internationalism as Trotskyists claim to it's naive to think that a second "real" socialist revolution can happen against the "fake" socialists in isolation
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