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CIGNX posted:I remember in one of the past iterations of this thread there was a job posting asking for foreigners to be filmed while using the "new" innovations in China. One of scenarios was using Alipay to buy stuff and pay for public transportation. Yeah they did actually claim e-payments as one of the inventions. I won't deny China's pushed it hard and it's more common there than anywhere else I've been, but they didn't invent it.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Zero chance Vietnam, Aus/NZ and Taiwan ever will be friends, N Korea has no one else, Philippines is actually trying to cozy up to China. Strategically that don’t really have any clear allies besides N Korea, but they’re trying to make some in Africa. There's going to be a weekly show on ABC24 starting soon about China and the Chinese ambassador to Australia will be appearing in every episode to give his opinion. I can't even imagine how bullshit it's going to be, "Ambassador, some people say China's benign and enlightened policies have the momentum of a run away freight train. Why is Xi so popular?"
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"Mr Jingye, I am told that China has over 5000 years of history! Incredible. Australia barely has 200!"
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So I used to enjoy this youtube channels editorials up till they went crazy over the politics of star wars. anyway it seems hollywood is gonna decouple Interesting take around 30 minute mark, from some dude who worked on a mini series in china. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muO5fy7lOOM
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Grand Fromage posted:If they fully dropped the hukou, literally everyone who can would move into the cities, and the city authorities understandably balk at the idea of their population of 22 million expanding to 50 million in a couple years. I did remember seeing one show about China (think it was actually about food) and it did mention a couple who moved back to their rural place and got it set up up pretty well and things looked nice around there. I hope it wasn't just BS and things go well for them.
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His Divine Shadow posted:I did remember seeing one show about China (think it was actually about food) and it did mention a couple who moved back to their rural place and got it set up up pretty well and things looked nice around there. I hope it wasn't just BS and things go well for them. There's currently a popular trend for moderately successful city people to take their savings and go live in the countryside. It works well enough for them, but mainly because they have years of moderately-successful-city-dweller assets to fund it. It's a much smaller version of the US expansion of suburbia, not nearly as popular because there aren't black people to run from I guess. Anyway, it's cool and all, but doesn't really give insight into standard rural China. Rural China is slowly improving, but it's not in a good place right now, and no-one is sure when it will stop improving.
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not really fair since you can probably do this with any country but I wanted to bring back my feels from the time in rural china so I just clicked a random photo somewhere in the middle and well https://goo.gl/maps/ioW6VNAUEeyXiRCH8 e: sky feels uncharacteristically blue though Vesi fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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Vesi posted:not really fair since you can probably do this with any country but I wanted to bring back my feels from the time in rural china so I just clicked a random photo somewhere in the middle and well I refuse to believe you just accidentally randomly selected the photo with two dogs loving in it
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Hmm yes how can we make Finland more like the workers paradise of China My favourite thing about the whole shitshow is that he seriously thinks this would enable Finland to "catch up" to countries with literally 60-254 times the population. And of course the country with 254 times the population is already doing the hell thing he is suggesting. Luckily he was laughed out and dunked on by people from all sides of the political spectrum so there's no chance of his dumb poo poo getting traction but god drat dude, what is wrong with you? (Incidentally there is also some fairly serious debate about going to a four day work week in Finland, because we're fairly quickly moving in a direction where it makes sense)
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I lurk in this thread and some other history and military ones on SA and I’ve seen lots of articles and info that has made me think China isn’t all it’s made up to be, economy and military seem not as impressive as people think, even their population issues but yet in every pub I keep hearing about someone who’s read a 5 page economist spread about how China will rule the world or some military paper on how they have the biggest and best army/navy. The problem is all I have for arguments are all the facts I’ve absorbed through these threads over the past few years which though interesting ain’t good for sources in the pub since the info is a bit scattered. How do I get across that it isn’t inevitable China will be our overlords next week? Or should I just not talk geo politics when I’m drunk ?
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LOL more like work two jobs for four days a week, i guess you could pull a 24-hour shift one day a week to make it work like capitalism intended.
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Vesi posted:not really fair since you can probably do this with any country but I wanted to bring back my feels from the time in rural china so I just clicked a random photo somewhere in the middle and well To be honest that's not even that rough, as far as rural China goes. Fojar38 posted:I refuse to believe you just accidentally randomly selected the photo with two dogs loving in it Theres dogs loving on every street in China
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by.a.teammate posted:I lurk in this thread and some other history and military ones on SA and I’ve seen lots of articles and info that has made me think China isn’t all it’s made up to be, economy and military seem not as impressive as people think, even their population issues but yet in every pub I keep hearing about someone who’s read a 5 page economist spread about how China will rule the world or some military paper on how they have the biggest and best army/navy. I usually point out the fact that outside of police actions against themselves and border disputes with India where neither side is armed with live ammo, China hasn't really been involved in a genuine international military conflict since the Sino Vietnamese War and the outcomes on that are suspect for China. I then compare this to the fact that the United States and its allies have been in a constant state of war since the 2001 and it's not really about winning or losing (because obviously America got its rear end beaten back), it's the fact that the actual command structures and training protocols are tested and the weapons and equipment have also all been tested and improved upon in field conditions. Our reasons for losing in Iraq and Afghanistan have little to do with our ability to win in a firefight and our troops really are exceptionally good at killing. China would likely would not do particularly well in an actual war between nations simply because its military is so untested, and has been mentioned in this thread at other points, really geared more towards breaking up riots and submitting its own people than fighting a professionally trained and equipped military. Likewise, its ability to win in an actual war of occupation would face all of the same challenges that the US has faced. Disclaimer: this is just bar chat and I'm by no means an expert on anything.
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:My favourite thing about the whole shitshow is that he seriously thinks this would enable Finland to "catch up" to countries with literally 60-254 times the population. And of course the country with 254 times the population is already doing the hell thing he is suggesting. 
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Alan Smithee posted:Actually I think you will find that in Chinese blockbuster Wolf Warrior 3 the US military is so weak it can't defend its capitol against rednecks with AR-15s and need to call in the help of Chinese special forces to save the day I mean, seems like a poor example to choose given recent events.
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Alan Smithee posted:Actually I think you will find that in Chinese blockbuster Wolf Warrior 3 the US military is so weak it can't defend its capitol against rednecks with AR-15s and need to call in the help of Chinese special forces to save the day I think the Global Times line was that the brave citizens of the US stood up against their dictatorial cabal in the Capitol where they were ruthlessly put down. Or maybe that was just to troll the Tiananmen remembrance with a bit of whataboutism, who can even tell.
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Grand Fromage posted:I assume you saw this one: https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/06/china-ramps-up-vaccinations-as-other-countries-back-away-from-its-vaccines/ I’m definitely sending this to the family whatsapp for similar reasons. It’s been nonstop poo poo about mRNA vaccines while champing sinovac (honestly I no care which vaccine they take but the stupid poo poo that they’ve posted is loving irritating), the latest being that Singapore should switch to sinovac because people who were already vaccinated with Pfizer/moderna got covid, so obviously the mRNAs ain’t working. mania fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Hold up we do plenty of making GBS threads in the street in my home state of California, as well as Belgians, apparently. ah, yes, the famous whatashitism argument
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Vesi posted:not really fair since you can probably do this with any country but I wanted to bring back my feels from the time in rural china so I just clicked a random photo somewhere in the middle and well That looks to be on the nicer side for rural China. The buildings all look to be intact and that road is crazy good. Atlas Hugged posted:Disclaimer: this is just bar chat and I'm by no means an expert on anything. Yeah, the US military has not done well in counter insurgency/police action type poo poo not because the US military sucks, but because that type of conflict is almost unwinnable by anyone throughout history. If the other side just doesn't give up then there's nothing you can do short of killing literally all of them, which isn't going to happen. In an actual state to state, military on military conflict, I would not want to take the US on. The last time that happened was the Gulf War, and I think people forget that at the time Iraq had like the fourth biggest army in the world that had been hardened by their war with Iran and was considered a major regional power, and they got completely rinsed by the US in three days. It was actually a big wake up call for other countries that thought they might fight the US at some point and set off a lot of the modernizations we've seen. mania posted:I’m definitely sending this to the family whatsapp for similar reasons. It’s been nonstop poo poo about mRNA vaccines while champing sinovac (honestly I no care which vaccine they take but the stupid poo poo that they’ve posted is loving irritating), the latest being that Singapore should switch to sinovac because people who were already vaccinated with Pfizer/moderna got covid, so obviously the mRNAs ain’t working. My current favorite breed of wumao are the ones saying the Chinese vaccines are completely fine even while Chinese health officials keep saying in public that they don't really have any idea how well they work, like in this article: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-03/china-can-t-open-up-like-u-s-despite-vaccination-official-says?sref=O17fWJNl For the sake of my friends there I do hope China keeps the border restrictions up until they can get better vaccines out. I haven't seen anything about how the testing is going for the domestic mRNA. I'm guessing it's the same technology so it'll be as good as the other ones, and they'll be willing to actually use it since it's Chinese.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah, the US military has not done well in counter insurgency/police action type poo poo not because the US military sucks, but because that type of conflict is almost unwinnable by anyone throughout history. If the other side just doesn't give up then there's nothing you can do short of killing literally all of them, which isn't going to happen. In an actual state to state, military on military conflict, I would not want to take the US on. The last time that happened was the Gulf War, and I think people forget that at the time Iraq had like the fourth biggest army in the world that had been hardened by their war with Iran and was considered a major regional power, and they got completely rinsed by the US in three days. It was actually a big wake up call for other countries that thought they might fight the US at some point and set off a lot of the modernizations we've seen. I'm sad nation-building didn't work in Afghanistan, particularly because Canada got handed the worst end of place, but it's true that everywhere that's worked previously has been a fairly advanced economy with some degree of forgiveness (granted and accepted) for the conquered side's rank and file. From what I was reading last year it seems like China now wants to have a go at running Belt and e: Right below Grand Fromage's link in today's dose of I'm Not Mad: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-07/china-faces-nationalist-anger-over-u-s-military-plane-in-taiwan?sref=O17fWJNl Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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I'm pretty sure that everyone has failed in Afghanistan, including Afghanistan. I think the Mongols held it for a while though? Does Mongolia want it?
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Grand Fromage posted:That looks to be on the nicer side for rural China. The buildings all look to be intact and that road is crazy good. I don't disagree with your general statement here, but I think "hardened by their war with Iran" is being pretty generous to the Iraqi army. It was more like "forced into an embarrassing draw by the vastly-inferior-on-paper Iranian forces." The battlefield experience probably counted for something but their morale/leadership seems to have been a bit of a joke for all their manpower and fairly up to date equipment.
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Mind you, the abstract question of "Who's better at fighting a war" is a bit meaningless anyways. It's probably better to ask "Can they fight the kind of wars they want to fight and achieve the political goals they want to achieve?" and if you want to know that you first need to know what kind of wars they want to fight and who they expect to fight against and what they hope to achieve, all of which are somewhat tricky questions to ask of the Chinese government. I've a vague understanding that China has invested in and is probably pretty good at area denial and keeping the US Navy from, say, bombing Beijing and landing Marines in Shanghai, but they don't necessarily have a lot of force projection capabilities beyond who they border and probably couldn't pull off, say, invading Iraq for whatever reason right now, nor have they any chance of invading the US if for whatever insane reason they thought that was a good idea. But they can probably swing a big enough stick to intimidate, say, Vietnam right now while glaring at the US and forcing them to think really carefully about how far the US wants to risk carrier groups for the sake of Vietnam. That's what it really comes down to, I think, the Chinese military isn't really intended to actually fight a war, just to create pressure to lean on neighbors so they can get what they want. For those purposes being big and scary and reasonably modernized and having long-range anti-ship missiles to keep the USN at bay is all you need to bully regional Asian powers. India would probably present an interesting challenge as being large enough to potentially stand up against China one on one without relying on American support, but the front lines would be over some of the most miserable fighting terrain in the world and I can't think either China or India would be super eager to find out how they'd fare in a real war. This is all leaving aside cyberwarfare mind you, which I don't think anyone really knows about right now without multiple levels of security clearance, and even then there's a lot of guesswork about how effective it'd be, what can be accomplished, and who's better and more capable at doing what, etc. I'd have to think that China would be very interested in investing in cyberwarfare to try and shut down the technologically-reliant US military, but it's anyone's guess how good they are at it and how much of an effect they'd have if it came down to a real shooting war, or indeed how you even quantify cyberwarfare capabilities - it's not like carrier groups you can point at to say "Oh yeah, we have five carriers to your two, boo, go home." Edit: In short, China can't do the sort of things the US military can do, but that's because the US acts as the world police and China has no interest in that role. You're not going to see Chinese battlefleets lurking in the English channel talking about what a nice place you got here and how it'd be a shame if something happened to it any time soon. Tomn fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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Ups_rail posted:So I used to enjoy this youtube channels editorials up till they went crazy over the politics of star wars. Be careful about that channel, dig in a bit and it gets CHUD as hell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9lUL1OfFvQ Their dim view of Hollywood and China eventually traces down to hatred of the Libs.
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Shumagorath posted:https://www.theonion.com/u-s-military-desperate-to-be-handed-just-one-solid-war-1819573386 If by "hold onto it" you mean "burned everything down to the point that centuries later the area was still recovering" then yes, the Mongols held onto Afghanistan. Edit: gently caress, quoted the wrong person.
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The Moon Monster posted:I don't disagree with your general statement here, but I think "hardened by their war with Iran" is being pretty generous to the Iraqi army. It was more like "forced into an embarrassing draw by the vastly-inferior-on-paper Iranian forces." The battlefield experience probably counted for something but their morale/leadership seems to have been a bit of a joke for all their manpower and fairly up to date equipment. I'm just saying they weren't a paper force that had never fought anybody. Iraq's military in 91 had plenty of experience. It just didn't matter. It's one more example that contributes to why nobody fights the US in a straight up battle. If you want to defeat the US, irregular warfare is the way to go. You're way more likely to win. Fojar38 posted:I'm pretty sure that everyone has failed in Afghanistan, including Afghanistan. The whole "graveyard of empires" thing is kinda nonsense. Afghanistan has been conquered successfully many times and has been the center of multiple empires. Nobody who's invaded Afghanistan in the past two centuries has had a great time, but go back to premodern times and there's nothing special about it. Alexander was the first of many. Tomn posted:Edit: In short, China can't do the sort of things the US military can do, but that's because the US acts as the world police and China has no interest in that role. You're not going to see Chinese battlefleets lurking in the English channel talking about what a nice place you got here and how it'd be a shame if something happened to it any time soon. I think this is right too. For all their bluster I don't think China has any interest in actually fighting anybody, they just want to intimidate all their neighbors. Which is pretty doable just given the difference in available resources.
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china has 5000 year history of mrna dont you know Edit: thoughts and prayers posted:Be careful about that channel, dig in a bit and it gets CHUD as hell: Becareful about what? I can think for myself, its not like their is a darkside to the chudforce that is seductive and a path to powers people would call unatural. I ve bitched about them in the red letter media thread. My personal take on them and others is that after they mined the sony email leaks they were lacking content for good editorials. They went to streaming and bitching about the wokeness of star wars and star trek to the degree that they and others make hay and money off of being outraged keeping their viewers outraged. all for the sweet sweet ad bucks. If star wars/trek became good these people would be soo hosed its not even funny. gently caress I gave up on star trek during enterprise, and how many loving people can bitch about nerd media. Game of throwns had a poo poo ending, I got sick of the walking dead, the Snyder cut of justice league was better than the weadon cut...okay why is my feed filled with people screaming about this poo poo. Theres this one fat gently caress who I swear makes nothing but outrage videos and I swear he has some weird fixation on captian marval or something. But back to the video the guy from norway interviews a dude talking about working on a chinese series pointed out how culturally they didnt understand the idea of a hero making a sacrifice for the good of the chinese people. And how hollywood whored itself to china in hopes of making money and instead they are getting alot of bad PR. His take on Cena was pretty funny too. Ups_rail fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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Ups_rail posted:china has 5000 year history of mrna dont you know Source your quotes Edit: nm, you're the target audience
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thoughts and prayers posted:Be careful about that channel, dig in a bit and it gets CHUD as hell: Reminds me of China Uncensored. They used to be good a few years ago or at least I thought so. Now though they're owned/funded by the Falun Gongs media wing and are now pretty far right.
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Strategic Tea posted:Kind of an aside, but why did this guy bother? Not even working for his country, or any cause, or even loving (directly) China but some lovely telecoms company that no one will remember. gently caress 致富光荣
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thoughts and prayers posted:Source your quotes Excuse me? I see a video talking about hollywood leaving china, Watch it post it in the china thread with a mild disclaimer that the channel kinda sucks, list the point in the video where content is relevant. You warn me to becareful because....chud! Tell me to source quotes even though I stated opinion. I then reply that I m aware of their slid into the NERD CULTURE WAR and express my opinion that it just the nerd version of OUTRAGE media. So now I am the target audience Oh hey look this is what youtube likes to show me Chud loving central! 
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Ups_rail posted:Excuse me? I see a video talking about hollywood leaving china, Watch it post it in the china thread with a mild disclaimer that the channel kinda sucks, list the point in the video where content is relevant. liam triforce is great
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