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Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

Bideo James posted:

lmao hes not the first to use the perpendicular lines poo poo. vampires are lame.

how small and boring.


Alien freak Whitley Strieber already wrote the best vampire novel possible. Werewolves too.

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Inspector Hound
Jul 14, 2003

Bring a banjo and a pick for this unidentified rear end phenomena

Google Butt
Oct 4, 2005

Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

someone go to mar a lago and ask trumps walmart greeter lookin rear end if theyre real

Fuck You And Diebold
Sep 15, 2004

by Athanatos

Jetto Jagga posted:

I enjoyed it too but like all Out of Place/Big Dumb Object type stories it can't possibly deliver 100% on its setup. Plus lmao the author was a Holocaust denier and general crank.

Wait really? drat

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

Why are so many scifi writers fascists

Like I have no evidence it's more than any other genre but it sure fuckin' feels like it

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

Why are so many scifi writers fascists

Like I have no evidence it's more than any other genre but it sure fuckin' feels like it

mid 20th century sf was dominated by John Campbell who was very fascist and thus published a lot of right wing stuff

it isn't like that anymore and outright fashy idiots like Vox Day are generally mocked and ignored

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

Jetto Jagga posted:

Alien freak Whitley Strieber already wrote the best vampire novel possible. Werewolves too.

theyre not bad but you really dont ever have to hand it to him

The Saucer Hovers has issued a correction as of 03:01 on Jun 8, 2021

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

Haha yeah, always Google your old rear end SF writers. Definite case of Engineer Brain.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Good Soldier Svejk posted:

Why are so many scifi writers fascists

Like I have no evidence it's more than any other genre but it sure fuckin' feels like it

there's a lot of probable reasons, but i suspect at its core it's a combination of scifi lending itself well to military fiction and the fantastical conceits of scifi allowing you to create improbable scenarios that would justify extreme militarism/xenophobia

speculative fiction circles have traditionally always been a bit of a good ol' boys club of otherwise marginalized writers, and you're always gonna get a self-selecting bunch of shitheads from a situation like that

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

The Saucer Hovers posted:

theyre not bad but you really dont ever have to give it to him

Oh man I love his 1st 2 books. Perfect little genre explorations. Everything Communion and after is pure trash though, even on a technical level, just unreadable tripe. I tried one where the bad guy was an alien kidnapper, not sinister grey type but just, an alien crook who kidnaps people and he has a pet tiger.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

Vermain posted:

there's a lot of probable reasons, but i suspect at its core it's a combination of scifi lending itself well to military fiction and the fantastical conceits of scifi allowing you to create improbable scenarios that would justify extreme militarism/xenophobia

speculative fiction circles have traditionally always been a bit of a good ol' boys club of otherwise marginalized writers, and you're always gonna get a self-selecting bunch of shitheads from a situation like that

Yeah like even Asimov for example who wrote as a humanist was a huge sex pest irl. And then you have one of the foundations of feminist sf/fantasy, Marion Zimmer Bradley, being a vicious pedophile alongside her husband.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

Vermain posted:

there's a lot of probable reasons, but i suspect at its core it's a combination of scifi lending itself well to military fiction and the fantastical conceits of scifi allowing you to create improbable scenarios that would justify extreme militarism/xenophobia

speculative fiction circles have traditionally always been a bit of a good ol' boys club of otherwise marginalized writers, and you're always gonna get a self-selecting bunch of shitheads from a situation like that

I guess this is why I love soviet sci-fi so much
Mostly just people bitching about how much bureaucracies loving suck please can we stop with all these form and procedures, comrade

that is, provided you can find the uncensored versions of their works

SpaghettiShaq
Aug 24, 2004
edit: nvm

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?
I mean norman spinrad explored this 50 years ago with The Iron Dream, and Michael Moorcock has some essays on the subject as well

Sleekly
Aug 21, 2008



do you guys remember the super interesting BLC1 signal?

considering that this happened not long after that signal what if it was an SOS? and it will never be repeated because this thing killed any civ in the vicinity

https://www.space.com/amp/proxima-centauri-emits-largest-stellar-flare.html

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?
James Tiptree Jr was CIA :suicide:

Hooplah
Jul 15, 2006


Sleekly posted:

do you guys remember the super interesting BLC1 signal?

considering that this happened not long after that signal what if it was an SOS? and it will never be repeated because this thing killed any civ in the vicinity

https://www.space.com/amp/proxima-centauri-emits-largest-stellar-flare.html

blc1 first noticed in dec 2019, studied in apr-may 2020, flare in may 2020. that's a super interesting coincidence for sure

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


pro soccer player and his wife saw a UFO the other night

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

Google Butt posted:

someone go to mar a lago and ask trumps walmart greeter lookin rear end if theyre real

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDom6wNYb9w

"It wasn't glowing praise for myself, the best president ever, nor could I make money off of it. Sometimes, I like to hang big tasks around Jared's neck like an albratross, but this wasn't useful for that either so I stopped paying attention, even though I'm the best at that."

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

Inspector Hound posted:

Bring a banjo and a pick for this unidentified rear end phenomena

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

Inspector Hound posted:

Bring a banjo and a pick for this unidentified rear end phenomena

WEH
Feb 22, 2009

Sleekly posted:

do you guys remember the super interesting BLC1 signal?

considering that this happened not long after that signal what if it was an SOS? and it will never be repeated because this thing killed any civ in the vicinity

https://www.space.com/amp/proxima-centauri-emits-largest-stellar-flare.html

I initially thought this was detected a month ago, which would've placed the flare in 2017 and got spooked but eh. throw it on the pile

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



the only two good scifi books ever published are a canticle for leibowitz and its sequel, which i think i'm the only living human to have ever read through in its entirety

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Vermain posted:

there's a lot of probable reasons, but i suspect at its core it's a combination of scifi lending itself well to military fiction and the fantastical conceits of scifi allowing you to create improbable scenarios that would justify extreme militarism/xenophobia

speculative fiction circles have traditionally always been a bit of a good ol' boys club of otherwise marginalized writers, and you're always gonna get a self-selecting bunch of shitheads from a situation like that

This is all true, and I'd add that being in a scifi setting also made it really easy for folks like Campbell and Heinlein to drop in any old fashy poo poo they wanted because the setting does the dog whistling for them. Just don't make your evil aliens too explicitly Space Jews and you're good.

And on the other side of it, the setting also lended itself to less talented writers, already awash in cold war propaganda, to simply let that leech into their writing. Not making excuses, or saying it's any better, just that the degree to which the average person internalized that poo poo can't be underestimated.

WEH
Feb 22, 2009


lol what if trump's a fuckin alien that was chosen to usher in disclosure but being on this stupid loving planet ruined its brain and now they have to go to plan b

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

kemco knows :tinfoil:

Log082
Nov 8, 2008


You guys know the Death Valley Tourists guy? He likes to poke around classified areas (or as close as he can get) and has an interesting article on how Lazar is full of bullshit. Like, really interesting. He even claims some hints/off the record classified info from friends in the know, and given other stuff he's done, that claim doesn't seem as bullshit as it normally does.

Anyway, I mention it because he also says this at the end:

quote:

As for my beliefs, I happen to think that UFOs are a quite real phenomena. I’m not inclined to take any strong position on just precisely WHAT they are, but I’ve read too much and know too many well-connected individuals to dismiss them. And beyond that, I think it’s highly likely we are in possession of some sort of “stuff” from this phenomena from “crash recoveries” or whatever. Finally, I’m sure there are at least a few very dark government programs dealing with this sort of thing, but Lazar never worked for any of them.

article: https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/looking-at-the-bob-lazar-story-from-the-perspective-of-2018/

pancake rabbit
Feb 21, 2011




i would like it to be known that i no longer enjoy my hastily & drunkenly chosen thread title

mods please find something better and do the needful tia

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

diana pasulka swears rich boomers love to look for crash debris as a hobby

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Log082 posted:

You guys know the Death Valley Tourists guy? He likes to poke around classified areas (or as close as he can get) and has an interesting article on how Lazar is full of bullshit. Like, really interesting. He even claims some hints/off the record classified info from friends in the know, and given other stuff he's done, that claim doesn't seem as bullshit as it normally does.

Anyway, I mention it because he also says this at the end:

article: https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/looking-at-the-bob-lazar-story-from-the-perspective-of-2018/

Holy poo poo bookmarking that for work tomorrow. Given the job he did on the Death Valley Germans, I'll read anything he wants to write.

Log082
Nov 8, 2008


Azathoth posted:

Holy poo poo bookmarking that for work tomorrow. Given the job he did on the Death Valley Germans, I'll read anything he wants to write.

If the death valley germans guy wants to tell me UFOs exist I will happily listen and agree.

The Saucer Hovers posted:

diana pasulka swears rich boomers love to look for crash debris as a hobby

Oh poo poo I have that book. I never finished it because my eyes almost rolled out of my sockets every time the rich boomers talked about aliens. Some serious grifter poo poo there. I'll have to grab quotes, but it's all like "Oh yeah, I have an UNNAMED SCIENTIST FRIEND who is SUPER SMART and has THREE PHDS and HE says these materials are IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO MAKE"

I think I've said it in this thread a couple times now but that's literally my academic field and uh. Uhhhhhh. It does not work that way.

Log082 has issued a correction as of 04:06 on Jun 8, 2021

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

pancake rabbit posted:

i would like it to be known that i no longer enjoy my hastily & drunkenly chosen thread title

mods please find something better and do the needful tia


Delta-Wye posted:

We have no method of masking poop radiation

Log082
Nov 8, 2008


quote:

“Do you recognize that area?” “What?” I wasn’t sure where he was going with the question. He knew I’d never been there. “This scene was probably recreated in the first episode of the last season of The X-Files,” he said. James and I stood there looking at him, incredulous. “Yes,” he continued. “Someone from their production team had either been here or knew someone who had. It makes me wonder if they had an insider on their team.”

quote:

James and Tyler believed they had evidence, not just faith, to support their belief in the extraterrestrial source of the artifacts and the authenticity of the crash site. Prior to this trip, Tyler had given James an analysis of some of the parts. James knew what he was looking at, and, according to him, if this analysis actually corresponded to the makeup of the artifacts, then they were one of two things: they were something that someone paid millions, if not billions, of dollars to fabricate or “something” made them somewhere other than on Earth with technologies we did not understand.

quote:

James’s track record as a scientist was impeccable, and in part my quest was motivated by the desire to understand the connections between his belief and his skills. He is one of the leading scientists in the world, and he had the instruments and the technical skill to determine whether the artifacts were genuinely anomalous. He was eager to locate some of them, if any remained.

quote:

I found out that the code of conduct for half of the conference attendees was exactly the opposite, and for very good reasons. Scientist-ufologists are vetted extensively before their employment in the field and, once hired, take oaths to keep their sources secret. The code of confidentiality extends throughout the communities of people associated with the government who work in specific areas of space research and particularly in the field concerned with unidentified aerial objects. The one thing that you are not allowed to discuss, if you are employed in this capacity, is the very thing you study.

quote:

I was suspicious of Tyler because he was different from most of the other meta-experiencers. For one thing, he was very wealthy. I’d heard that he traveled in a private jet. He drove an expensive sports car. He was rumored to be an MMA, or mixed martial arts, fighter, and to have competed in several publicized fights. Yet it wasn’t his wealth or his hobbies that caused me to be suspicious.

quote:

I asked him why he was interested in carrying on a correspondence with me, a scholar of religion. He said, “I have mentors in the space program. One of them, who is now retired, explained that the next discovery in my field is going to come from your field. I am at the limit of understanding what I can from a materialist perspective. My mentor explained that mysticism, religion, and consciousness is where I need to go to learn what’s next. That the mind–machine interface is the next frontier.”

Pasulka, D.W.. American Cosmic (pp. 23-24). Oxford University Press. Kindle Edition.

I have to stop quoting because the whole loving book is like this. As a study of UFO true believers through the lens of religion, it's good. As a serious treatment of UAP, it's... well. You can see. "Tyler" appears to be literally Tony Stark while James is a movie scientist who can only describe how amaaaaazing these materials are but provide no evidence or even details.

Ross DaouThot
Aug 31, 2018

when i hit that loud and open cspam the adam curtis music starts playing

pancake rabbit posted:

i would like it to be known that i no longer enjoy my hastily & drunkenly chosen thread title

mods please find something better and do the needful tia

no it's great

Hirsute
May 4, 2007

pancake rabbit posted:

i would like it to be known that i no longer enjoy my hastily & drunkenly chosen thread title

mods please find something better and do the needful tia

[UFOs] post here for probes

A MIRACLE
Sep 17, 2007

All right. It's Saturday night; I have no date, a two-liter bottle of Shasta and my all-Rush mix-tape... Let's rock.

canticle for Leibovitz owned. maybe the last book I really enjoyed reading I’ll check out #2

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?
Going vintage, here's a map of Betty and Barney Hill's road trip in 1961:



From The Interrupted Journey by John G. Fuller, 1966.

Google Butt
Oct 4, 2005

Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

[UFOs] president biden accidentally confirms the existence of aliens

Fuck You And Diebold
Sep 15, 2004

by Athanatos

Ross DaouThot posted:

no it's great

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Sep 10, 2005
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BeefThief posted:

Yo I remember that well, it was Mr. Boone from fuckin Ulanth dude...haven't been able to find the original thread via the "tools" available on SA but if somebody can get a link I would love to read that again.

I'm like 400 post behind, but YES that's it. Mr. Boone. I'm gonna look again for it, I hope someone finds it.

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