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Fojar38 posted:I admire the balls required to publicly display your youtube algorithm profile Honestly showing instagram is the real ballsy move
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Fojar38 posted:I'm pretty sure that everyone has failed in Afghanistan, including Afghanistan. There's a reason it's called the Graveyard of Empires From Alexander the Great to the US it's literally unconquerable Edit: kinda beaten but also didn't like Alexander die soon after this? And then his empire fractured?  vvv iirc there's so many local warlords and factions that a strong central government isn't entirely feasible but I'm obviously not an expert here so I'll defer to actual experts in this area Seth Pecksniff fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Jun 8, 2021 |
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Alexander did the correct thing of conquering it then immediately moving on with zero interest in governing. e: Alexander made it into Indus and still had time to deathmarch his men half way home before dying iirc Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Jun 8, 2021 |
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Jun 8, 2021 02:58
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low key sex master posted:There's a reason it's called the Graveyard of Empires I mean except for those hundreds of years under Persian/Mongol/Mughal rule.
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Jun 8, 2021 03:00
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Fojar38 posted:I admire the balls required to publicly display your youtube algorithm profile I am surprised at the lack of balls on display in the youtube algorithm profile.
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Shumagorath posted:Alexander did the correct thing of conquering it then immediately moving on with zero interest in governing. iirc Alexander continued to win pretty much every engagement and was on his way to conquering Punjab and only turned back because his army was exhausted and uninterested in further conquests. I'm not sure any other general in history has literally been undefeated in battle. Even Genghis Khan suffered defeats while unifying the Mongols
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Jun 8, 2021 03:19
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7.9.1] "Macedonians, my speech will not be aimed at stopping your urge to return home; as far as I am concerned you may go where you like. But I want you to realize on departing what I have done for you, and what you have done for me. [7.9.2] Let me begin, as is right, with my father Philip. He found you wandering about without resources, many of you clothed in sheepskins and pasturing small flocks in the mountains, defending them with difficulty against the Illyrians, Triballians and neighboring Thracians. He gave you cloaks to wear instead of sheepskins, brought you down from the mountains to the plains, and made you a match in war for the neighboring barbarians, owing your safety to your own bravery and no longer to reliance on your mountain strongholds. He made you city dwellers and civilized you with good laws and customs. [7.9.3] Those barbarians who used to harrass you and plunder your property, he made you their leaders instead of their slaves and subjects. He annexed much of Thrace to Macedonia, seized the most favorable coastal towns and opened up the country to commerce, and enabled you to exploit your mines undisturbed. [7.9.4] He made you governors of the Thessalians, before whom you used to die of fright, humbled the Phocians and so opened a broad and easy path into Greece in place of a narrow and difficult one. The Athenians and Thebans, who were permanently poised to attack Macedonia, he so humbled (and I was now helping him in this tasknote) that instead of you paying tribute to the Athenians and being under the sway of the Thebans, they now in turn had to seek their safety from us. [7.9.5] He marched into the Peloponnese and settled matters there too. He was appointed commander-in-chief of all Greece for the campaign against the Persians, but preferred to assign the credit to all the Macedonians rather than just to himself.note [7.9.6] Such were the achievements of my father on your behalf; as you can see for yourselves, they are great, and yet small in comparison with my own. I inherited from my father a few gold and silver cups, and less than 60 talents in the treasury; Philip had debts amounting to 500 talents, and I raised a loan of a further 800. I started from a country that could barely sustain you and immediately opened up the Hellespont for you, although the Persians then held the mastery of the sea. [7.9.7] I defeated in a cavalry engagement the satraps of Dariusnote and annexed to your rule the whole of Ionia and Aeolis, both Phrygias and Lydia, and took Miletus by storm. All the rest came over to our side spontaneously, and I made them yours for you to enjoy. [7.9.8] All the wealth of Egypt and Cyrene, which I won without a fight, are now yours, Coele Syria, Palestine and Mesopotamia are your possession, Babylonia and Bactria and Elam belong to you, you own the wealth of Lydia, the treasures of Persia, the riches of India, and the outer ocean. You are satraps, you are generals, you are captains. As for me, what do I have left from all these labors? Merely this purple cloak and a diadem." Alexander was a GOAT. His men were cowards and weaklings
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low key sex master posted:Edit: kinda beaten but also didn't like Alexander die soon after this? And then his empire fractured? He died because he was a raging alcoholic or maybe poisoned, it had nothing to do with the conquests. The empire split because there was no succession plan. Baktria remained a Greek kingdom for centuries after Alexander. There were also the Mughals, the Kushan, the Achaemenids, Ghaznavids, Timurids, Sassanids, Khwarezmids, etc. low key sex master posted:vvv iirc there's so many local warlords and factions that a strong central government isn't entirely feasible but I'm obviously not an expert here so I'll defer to actual experts in this area Also not true historically. Afghanistan was ruled by the Durrani and Barakzai dynasties for a couple centuries, not particularly notable but not much different than other places, then was a reasonably progressive democracy, until the Soviets undermined it and then invaded. 50 years ago it was a hip vacation spot for backpackers. The way it is now is recent, and very sad.
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Grand Fromage posted:He died because he was a raging alcoholic or maybe poisoned, it had nothing to do with the conquests. The empire split because there was no succession plan. Baktria remained a Greek kingdom for centuries after Alexander. There were also the Mughals, the Kushan, the Achaemenids, Ghaznavids, Timurids, Sassanids, Khwarezmids, etc. Thank you  I've seen pics of Afghanistan in like the 60s and 70s and it looked like a modern, cool place! It's really too bad the Soviets screwed that up and the US compounded it
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Jun 8, 2021 03:27
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Fojar38 posted:I'm not sure any other general in history has literally been undefeated in battle. There are others. Scipio Africanus comes to mind. I'm not sure if Subutai was undefeated, but probably the best general in history even if he lost a couple.
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low key sex master posted:Thank you I'm just glad I remember stuff from the senior study course I took on Afghanistan. Those pictures are really sad to look at now. I hope some day they can get back to that, they deserve better.
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Jun 8, 2021 03:31
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low key sex master posted:Thank you It was a bit part of the hippie trail stuff during that time period, because even if was a cool place it was still the place to opium and opium related products
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Jun 8, 2021 03:49
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low key sex master posted:Thank you One caveat is that you likely saw pictures of Kabul in the 60s and 70s. Rural areas, where the majority of Afghans live, would have been significantly less cool and modern.
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Fallen Hamprince posted:One caveat is that you likely saw pictures of Kabul in the 60s and 70s. Rural areas, where the majority of Afghans live, would have been significantly less cool and modern. Truth and a good correction there
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Even the majority of people in Kabul didn't live that way, and romanticizing those old days is a form of propaganda, like this article states: https://ajammc.com/2017/09/06/weaponization-nostalgia-afghan-miniskirts/
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Jun 8, 2021 05:39
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Fojar38 posted:I admire the balls required to publicly display your youtube algorithm profile I've considered making a thread for doing so but I'm lazy.
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Alexander the Great posted:I inherited from my father a few gold and silver cups, and less than 60 talents in the treasury; Philip had debts amounting to 500 talents, and I raised a loan of a further 800. With nothing but a small family loan of a million dollars... 
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BrigadierSensible posted:Re: the bolded part. Barudak posted:Its not that complex. lol it's wild to see this because in china its completely the opposite. I'm here and like 90% of people I know have opted for no vaccine cuz they don't trust it/say it's ineffective/waiting for better ones/afraid it will kill them and as of now life is pretty normal and foreign travel is off the table for the unforeseen future anyway. most say this is any vaccine, not just the domestic ones. the gov is trying to push it more and more but it all seems p reasonable and I've not seen any "our vaccines are the best" stuff coming out here. the stuff is more "please get vaccinated its better than nothing for protecting people" but yeah while certainly better for nothing they deffo aren't as good which is why they're also trying to get their own mRNA up and running ASAP. I know a couple people who got the test one. idk how efficacy tests will work as we have almost v low cases here tho i'll try and get a better mRNA jab when I can for sure. Ailumao fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Jun 8, 2021 |
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Jun 8, 2021 09:13
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As of Friday Vietnam have u-turned and said they will accept China's vaccines. Vietnam does have its own mRNA in stage three rn. It has taken longer than expected though, and holding out against China has meant a dearth of vaccines. (Pfizer wouldn't budge on price and covax distribution is getting hammered for being woefully understocked). With the latest outbreak (not severe by any other countries metric) and everyone here basically in lockdown not having shots available is frustrating. I'll probably hold out for the Nanovax or whatever VN are branding it. There is (similar to China) no great rush to take a shot here because the infection has been miniscule, even including the latest outbreak) Fwiw, the outbreak this time is largely focussed around some Christian gathering (200 odd cases) near the airport in Saigon. (In addition to the usual human traffickers and border jumpers.)
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I'm working from home right now in Thailand, but my boss decided I absolutely had to come in today for 30 seconds to drop off a book because apparently our fancy school only has a single copy of it. I had one of those taxi drivers that absolutely loves to talk the whole trip, even going so far as to gesture wildly and raise his voice if I started to look at my phone to make sure he had my undivided attention. In any case, the most important thing he had to tell me was that no matter what, I was not to take the Sinopharm vaccine because the radio had told him that everyone goes in to get the vaccine and then comes out dead. It was kind of funny to hear that out in the wild here, but it does point to the huge uphill PR battle Sinopharm and the Thai government are going to have to fight to get everyone vaccinated. There probably are a lot of people who have died after taking the vaccine, but for the same reason they died everywhere else: the most at risks groups of people are just more likely to die in general. Loads of elderly took vaccines in the west and then died, but it had nothing to do with the vaccines. They were just, you know, old and about to die anyway. I assume something similar is going on here and is being blown up on talk radio. The driver did have a solution. Apparently two cans of Singha beer a day is all you need to keep the covid away. Twist my arm I guess.
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Wow thanks guys , I watched those videos and now my recomendations on youtube is all super skinny young Chinese men wearing almost nothing.
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See previous comment re: balls
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Kharnifex posted:Wow thanks guys , I watched those videos and now my recomendations on youtube is all super skinny young Chinese men wearing almost nothing. Goals
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Ups_rail posted:Excuse me? I see a video talking about hollywood leaving china, Watch it post it in the china thread with a mild disclaimer that the channel kinda sucks, list the point in the video where content is relevant. The video I linked starts at 'whoah Disney is getting awfully invasive and performative with their social justice thing', which is really suspect from many different points on the political spectrum for different reasons. A few minutes in it quickly descends into 'every single bit of the rationale behind those awkward choices - i.e. the existence of systemic racism and how it affects people on an individual scale - is utter bullshit and has no credibility!' So, yeah. CHUD. Conclusion: the CHUD - it's coming from inside the thread! -- (To the non-CHUDS, as an aside: I'm old enough to have seen the movie that created the 'inside the house' trope as a child, and it terrified me. When cellphones finally became a thing, the idea that it was now easier to do that sort of thing definitely hit me once or twice, before realizing that 95% of all previous horror movie plots were now obsolete.)
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Strategic Tea posted:With nothing but a small family loan of a million dollars... There are no exceptions to this rule, lol
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thoughts and prayers posted:The video I linked starts at 'whoah Disney is getting awfully invasive and performative with their social justice thing', which is really suspect from many different points on the political spectrum for different reasons. It's a lot like seeing hour long videos about Kotaku, Polygon, or IGN. On the face of it there should be nothing to bias it one way or the other, but if you've been on the internet enough you know where it's gonna go. Before even clicking on the video you should know where the author is coming from, because only one side considers it an issue, let alone make videos about it. For the chud-right, videos like this is a lot like the 500th showing of Cats on Broadway. It's not too deep, meant to be a spectacle, and it's still making money.
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Strategic Tea posted:With nothing but a small family loan of a million dollars... He was certainly lucky to be gifted one of the greatest armies in history. That said, if he were just a talentless moron it wouldn't have mattered that he started out with advantages. He was a brilliant tactician. Maybe not the best strategic thinker, but you didn't want to be on the battlefield against him.
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Original_Z posted:Even the majority of people in Kabul didn't live that way, and romanticizing those old days is a form of propaganda, like this article states: https://ajammc.com/2017/09/06/weaponization-nostalgia-afghan-miniskirts/ The truth remains that Afghanistan, already a poor country with weak institutions and a largely traditional economy, was basically completely destroyed during the 80s. And while alot of blame can be laid on the local warring factions and the US, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia (the worst thing the US did wrt to Afghanistan was probably completely checking out and doing nothing for reconstruction following the Soviet withdrawal), the primary blame has to lie with the Soviet military and their strategy of deliberate rural depopulation along with destruction of infrastructure and agriculture on a massive scale. Which accomplished what I mentioned of pretty much destroying the country, particularly agriculture, and created a generation of orphans who grew up in squalid refugee camps in Pakistan out of which the Taliban would form in the 90s. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Jun 8, 2021 |
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wait a minute... the soviets did 9/11?!
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Randarkman posted:The truth remains that Afghanistan, already a poor country with weak institutions and a largely traditional economy, was basically completely destroyed during the 80s. And while alot of blame can be laid on the local warring factions and the US, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia (the worst thing the US did wrt to Afghanistan was probably completely checking out and doing nothing for reconstruction following the Soviet withdrawal), the primary blame has to lie with the Soviet military and their strategy of deliberate rural depopulation along with destruction of infrastructure and agriculture on a massive scale. Which accomplished what I mentioned of pretty much destroying the country, particularly agriculture, and created a generation of orphans who grew up in squalid refugee camps in Pakistan out of which the Taliban would form in the 90s. Yeah. Nobody's claiming Afghanistan was paradise, but it wasn't this land of warlords throughout all of time the way a lot of people seem to think. What it is today is the result of imperialist powers loving them over, starting with the Soviets.
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Grand Fromage posted:He was certainly lucky to be gifted one of the greatest armies in history. That said, if he were just a talentless moron it wouldn't have mattered that he started out with advantages. He was a brilliant tactician. Maybe not the best strategic thinker, but you didn't want to be on the battlefield against him. His approach to regulating the northern border in Central Asia shows that he certainly had a head for longer term stategy and wasn't all tactics. He brought engineers, geographers and other experts along with him on his expedition to help his army be able to deal with novel challenges. He emphasized rapid maneuvers to keep the enemy off-balance and always managed to seize the initative and dictate the flow of the battles and campaigns he fought. Most important of all he surrounded himself with incredibly competent generals and advisors and not only utilized their talents but inspired intense devotion in them all the way down to the rank-and-file, what happened when Alexander died and these men immediately were at each others' throats indicates that keeping all of them focused towards a single goal under his leadership was no small feat in itself.
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LordArgh posted:wait a minute... the soviets did 9/11?! Taliban didn't do 9/11. And the formation of the Taliban is unthinkable otuside of the context of the Soviet-Afghan war and the refugee crisis, and particularly the conditions in the camps in Pakistan, worth noting that Saudi religious organizations controlled the education in many of these IIRC.
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Loser Alexander going on about conquering the known world. But did he know about China?  Strategic Tea posted:With nothing but a small family loan of a million dollars... “I would be first up the ladder but bone Spurs and all”
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Randarkman posted:His approach to regulating the northern border in Central Asia shows that he certainly had a head for longer term stategy and wasn't all tactics. He brought engineers, geographers and other experts along with him on his expedition to help his army be able to deal with novel challenges. He emphasized rapid maneuvers to keep the enemy off-balance and always managed to seize the initative and dictate the flow of the battles and campaigns he fought. Most important of all he surrounded himself with incredibly competent generals and advisors and not only utilized their talents but inspired intense devotion in them all the way down to the rank-and-file, what happened when Alexander died and these men immediately were at each others' throats indicates that keeping all of them focused towards a single goal under his leadership was no small feat in itself. Yeah, I'm not saying he had zero strategic sense. It's sort of personal bias, I've become much more judgmental of rulers that had no succession plans in place. Even if they don't work, it shows more care than just yoloing your empire into civil war because you couldn't be bothered. Alan Smithee posted:Loser Alexander going on about conquering the known world. But did he know about China? I actually am not sure about this. The Romans knew about China, they had a lot of details wrong of course but they knew it existed, had extensive trade, and occasional direct diplomatic relations starting in 166 CE and going on to the late Middle Ages. There was silk trade with the west well before that, silk has been found in Egyptian tombs and there are Greek references to it, but I don't know if they knew where it came from specifically. That said, if he didn't know about it at the beginning, he would have later. Baktria had plenty of interaction with China both before and after the Greeks came and I'm sure he would've heard about it while there.
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he was 32 prolly just had a vague sketch of a plan
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He was probably just waiting for his son to be born first. Ecen if he was an alcoholic I doubt he thought he was going to due anytime soon. And I mean even if you have a solid plan in place it just doesn't work out right. Look at what happened when Augustus died.
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Gaius Marius posted:[7.9.8] All the wealth of Egypt and Cyrene, which I won without a fight, are now yours, Coele Syria, Palestine and Mesopotamia are your possession, Babylonia and Bactria and Elam belong to you, you own the wealth of Lydia, the treasures of Persia, the riches of India, and the outer ocean. You are satraps, you are generals, you are captains. As for me, what do I have left from all these labors? Merely this purple cloak and a diadem." I wonder what his footsoldiers made of that one.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:he was 32 Can relate.
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Why did Sanders vote against the new bill aimed to counter against China in regards to research and domestic investment? I can't find anything via searching.
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TheBuilder posted:Why did Sanders vote against the new bill aimed to counter against China in regards to research and domestic investment? I can't find anything via searching. Probably something about Alexander the Great.
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