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goddamnedtwisto posted:Weirdly it seems like the problem isn't actually AWS but another firm, Fastly, who I've literally never heard of. Everyone assumed AWS because the AWS status page was down and bits of the main shop site were broken but it turns out they all use this Fastly thing as well. https://status.fastly.com/incidents/vpk0ssybt3bj Global CDN Disruption Incident Report for Fastly SUBSCRIBE TO UPDATES Monitoring The issue has been identified and a fix has been applied. Customers may experience increased origin load as global services return. Posted 12 minutes ago. Jun 08, 2021 - 10:57 UTC Identified The issue has been identified and a fix is being implemented. Posted 25 minutes ago. Jun 08, 2021 - 10:44 UTC Update We are continuing to investigate this issue. Posted 44 minutes ago. Jun 08, 2021 - 10:26 UTC Update We are continuing to investigate this issue. ed: page snipe! 23 skidoo! 23 skidoo (sometimes 23 skiddoo) is an American slang phrase popularized during the early 20th century. It generally refers to leaving quickly, being forced to leave quickly by someone else, or taking advantage of a propitious opportunity to leave
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The Question IRL posted:Strange it wasn't paywalled when I read it yesterday. It's not paywalled for me either! https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/extinction-rebellion-protest-priti-patel-printworks-b1861106.html
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Jun 8, 2021 12:14
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Fastly error: unknown domain: https://www.theguardian.com. Both 
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Jun 8, 2021 12:23
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Jun 8, 2021 14:25
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MessiMX10i/status/1402248521697402882?s=19 imagine if this happened to bojo lol
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Jun 8, 2021 14:27
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NotJustANumber99 posted:There is nothing to discuss today. All of youse are reactionary counterrevolutionaries Especially Miftan
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Jun 8, 2021 14:28
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bump_fn posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/MessiMX10i/status/1402248521697402882?s=19 Don't try to cheer me up.
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Jun 8, 2021 14:32
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bump_fn posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/MessiMX10i/status/1402248521697402882?s=19 haha nice
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Jun 8, 2021 14:32
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Borrovan posted:*checks Big Book of Socialism* yeah np there's a protocol for this: If hating chocolate oranges is reactionary and counterrevolutionary then you can call me the CIA  Also big lol at those police swarming the dude who slapped Macron. That was the daintiest slap I've ever seen and he's gonna go to jail for 'extremely aggrevated assault and attempted murder' or some poo poo.
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Jun 8, 2021 14:37
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Older gentleman in the shop earlier in his pyjama trousers, now standing on the field in the full sun for over an hour. Gratefully accepted a drink of water but says he's "just looking at all this" (nothing) and "waiting for his son, till tomorrow" when questioned. When I came back with his water he obviously had no idea we'd spoken just minutes before. Seems quite happy but clearly needs some assistance. Can anyone advise who I might call?
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Jun 8, 2021 14:37
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Jun 8, 2021 14:38
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Sanford posted:Older gentleman in the shop earlier in his pyjama trousers, now standing on the field in the full sun for over an hour. Gratefully accepted a drink of water but says he's "just looking at all this" (nothing) and "waiting for his son, till tomorrow" when questioned. When I came back with his water he obviously had no idea we'd spoken just minutes before. Seems quite happy but clearly needs some assistance. Can anyone advise who I might call? See if you can ask him how to contact his family/friends or where he lives?
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Jun 8, 2021 14:38
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Miftan posted:Also big lol at those police swarming the dude who slapped Macron. That was the daintiest slap I've ever seen and he's gonna go to jail for 'extremely aggrevated assault and attempted murder' or some poo poo. 
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Jun 8, 2021 14:41
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Miftan posted:See if you can ask him how to contact his family/friends or where he lives? Can't get much out of him other than he's waiting for his son. Took him a chair and another drink and I'm on hold to 101, just would prefer not "the police."
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Jun 8, 2021 14:43
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Sanford posted:Can't get much out of him other than he's waiting for his son. Took him a chair and another drink and I'm on hold to 101, just would prefer not "the police." Maybe offer to ring his son for him to see where he is? Yeah, I don't know of any orgs and I'd definitely try to avoid the police as well.
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Jun 8, 2021 14:48
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bump_fn posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/MessiMX10i/status/1402248521697402882?s=19 Extremely good but it's a shame he couldn't also do the thing where you go for a handshake and then flick your hand away.
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Jun 8, 2021 14:50
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The former police officer has pled guilty to rape and kidnap of Sarah Everard. Technically he's still only accused of murder but unless police are allowed to serve on juries you're not going to find 12 people who believe he didn't kill her.
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Jun 8, 2021 14:50
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Lady Demelza posted:The former police officer has pled guilty to rape and kidnap of Sarah Everard. Technically he's still only accused of murder but unless police are allowed to serve on juries you're not going to find 12 people who believe he didn't kill her. Miftan posted:If hating chocolate oranges is reactionary and counterrevolutionary then you can call me the CIA 
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Jun 8, 2021 14:55
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Can you admit to crimes you haven't been charged with? I mean like obviously you can but I am not clear on what that means law wise.
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Jun 8, 2021 15:00
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can you eat jaffa cakes if youre doing BDS
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Jun 8, 2021 15:00
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Miftan posted:Maybe offer to ring his son for him to see where he is? Yeah, I don't know of any orgs and I'd definitely try to avoid the police as well. Brilliantly you can see the car park for the chemists from the field and we saw a paramedic car pull in so she's talking to him now, which was a stroke of luck. Thanks for your help and reaffirming my "not the police" instinct.
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Jun 8, 2021 15:02
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Guavanaut posted:You'd think they'd fix the glaring typo on their uniforms. Pisspig
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Jun 8, 2021 15:12
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Borrovan posted:Chocolate oranges fine, whatever, but Jaffa Cakes Jaffa Cakes taste like poo poo not only because chocolate and orange is an awful flavour but their biscuit part is crap too. Sanford posted:Brilliantly you can see the car park for the chemists from the field and we saw a paramedic car pull in so she's talking to him now, which was a stroke of luck. Thanks for your help and reaffirming my "not the police" instinct. I mean realistically even if you don't hate cops what can they do that you can't in that situation? Plus it's just a good instinct to have.
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Jun 8, 2021 15:14
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Borrovan posted:iirc he hasn't denied killing her but just didn't enter a plea in respect of murder or something, so he's probably gonna claim some kind of partial defence or something to get it down to manslaughter, idk how this procedural poo poo works He's waiting for results of the medical report, I guess to see whether she died as a direct result of the injuries he inflicted or if she died as a result of not receiving medical treatment for the injuries he inflicted which would probably be the difference between murder and manslaughter.
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Jun 8, 2021 15:14
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Miftan posted:Jaffa Cakes taste like poo poo not only because chocolate and orange is an awful flavour but their biscuit part is crap too. Ordered this for my brother's girlfriend's birthday. Looking forward to trying this weekend. 
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Jun 8, 2021 15:18
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Lady Demelza posted:The former police officer has pled guilty to rape and kidnap of Sarah Everard. Technically he's still only accused of murder but unless police are allowed to serve on juries you're not going to find 12 people who believe he didn't kill her. I bet you he's going to try for manslaughter instead of murder.
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Jun 8, 2021 15:19
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EvilHawk posted:He's waiting for results of the medical report, I guess to see whether she died as a direct result of the injuries he inflicted or if she died as a result of not receiving medical treatment for the injuries he inflicted which would probably be the difference between murder and manslaughter. I am not sure I really see a distinction there...
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Jun 8, 2021 15:20
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Red Oktober posted:Ordered this for my brother's girlfriend's birthday. Looking forward to trying this weekend. I'd try it. Flavoured alcohol doesn't suffer from the texture and the taste is generally different enough that it's not always guaranteed to be awful. Also that is quite possibly the most Hipster-London thing I've ever seen. I bet they sell it near twisto's house.
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Jun 8, 2021 15:21
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McVities are tax dodging bastards, gently caress off with your 'technically it's a cake so we don't have to pay luxury tax' bullshit. It's a biscuit.
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Jun 8, 2021 15:22
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OwlFancier posted:I am not sure I really see a distinction there... I actually forgot my A-level law and missed the "within a year and a day" rule for someone to die from their injuries. Presumably there'll be something that the defence is hoping to get the charges lowered though.
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Jun 8, 2021 15:23
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Miftan posted:I mean realistically even if you don't hate cops what can they do that you can't in that situation? Plus it's just a good instinct to have. In a better world* they'd be able to make an initial assessment and make sure he was got to a proper place of safety, whether that's an appropriate elder care or mental health facility, or just to his kids or something. * In a perfect world of course social services wouldn't have been gutted to the point where the police are our only front-line social service and mental health emergency service, and even if he'd managed to fall through the multiple levels of social and medical safety nets this perfect world had, there would be a unified emergency service that could get appropriate professionals there quickly. It's a small bugbear of mine but I find it annoying that over a century into having telephone emergency services there's *still* no unified call centre for triage and dispatch - if I see a car crash and someone runs off from it, who do I ask for when I dial 999? Really I need all three straight away, and I should be able to give my report to the person who answers 999 who then gets all of the details to the appropriate places.
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Jun 8, 2021 15:27
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The difference is one of intent, so presumably he's going for the Ian Huntley defence of "yeah I'm a big nonce and kidnapped those kids, but then they both slipped in the bath and died." Probably about as believable too. Really though, any death during the commission of a serious violent crime like armed robbery, kidnap and rape, etc. should automatically be murder, because you've already demonstrated depraved indifference. That used to be the case but it was scrapped in the 50s to try and cut down on executions, but we found a better way to cut down on executions.
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Jun 8, 2021 15:29
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goddamnedtwisto posted:In a better world* they'd be able to make an initial assessment and make sure he was got to a proper place of safety, whether that's an appropriate elder care or mental health facility, or just to his kids or something. You really need 4 separate things here though: 1) emergency medical/mental health assistance (someone threatening to jump off a bridge) 2) non-emergency medical/mental health assistance (Sanford's case) 3) emergency criminal situation (you see an ongoing assault of some type) 4) non-emergency criminal situation (your house was burgled and is now empty) and I think expecting 1 person to be able to fill all 4 just means you'll get someone who is MAYBE good at one thing but more likely just poo poo at all 4.
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Jun 8, 2021 15:33
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Guavanaut posted:The difference is one of intent, so presumably he's going for the Ian Huntley defence of "yeah I'm a big nonce and kidnapped those kids, but then they both slipped in the bath and died." The problem is if you take that thinking to its logical conclusion you end up with the bullshit Felony Murder stuff they pull in the US. Cop car runs someone over and kills them while responding to a call about the robbery you're involved in? You're a murderer. Your accomplice kills someone while you're handcuffed in the back of a police car? Murder. I mean we got close enough to that with the whole Derek Bentley thing.
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Jun 8, 2021 15:34
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Perhaps if cops kill people for any reason it's super cop only murder which gets you life in prison.
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Jun 8, 2021 15:36
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Bobby Deluxe posted:McVities are tax dodging bastards, gently caress off with your 'technically it's a cake so we don't have to pay luxury tax' bullshit. It's a biscuit. It’s definitely a cake, the idiocy is that biscuits are apparently in the luxury category but cake isn’t.
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Jun 8, 2021 15:36
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OwlFancier posted:I am not sure I really see a distinction there... If Couzens beat the poo poo out of her while raping her or to subdue her and she died of it, but he did not actually intend to kill her, that's voluntary manslaughter - he committed an unlawful act that resulted in death but without the intent to murder. If, however, Everard's fatal injuries can be proven to have been sustained either before or after the rape then the charge is murder. That's why Couzens accepted culpability but is not yet pleading. If he pleads guilty to murder then he's admitting intent that the medical report may not be able to prove, but if the coroner cannot prove that intent then he still has a chance to bargain with a guilty plea to the lesser charge. The long and short of it is that Couzens almost certainly did intend to kill Sarah Everard. He's just waiting to see if they can prove it.
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Jun 8, 2021 15:40
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Jedit posted:If Couzens beat the poo poo out of her while raping her or to subdue her and she died of it, but he did not actually intend to kill her, that's voluntary manslaughter - he committed an unlawful act that resulted in death but without the intent to murder. If, however, Everard's fatal injuries can be proven to have been sustained either before or after the rape then the charge is murder. I think if the legal system makes a distinction between doing all that but "not intending to kill someone" then it is bad, tbh.
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Jun 8, 2021 15:44
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The problem is if you take that thinking to its logical conclusion you end up with the bullshit Felony Murder stuff they pull in the US. Cop car runs someone over and kills them while responding to a call about the robbery you're involved in? You're a murderer. Your accomplice kills someone while you're handcuffed in the back of a police car? Murder. I mean we got close enough to that with the whole Derek Bentley thing. In light of the correct reading of joint enterprise, I think there's room for a similar reading of constructive malice. If it could be a likely conclusion by a reasonable person that a course of action might kill as a result of a serious violent criminal act then make that malice aforethought, without leaving room for all the Final Destination type hijinks that state prosecutors try to play. Like with what happened with joint enterprise the key part is keeping CPS in their lane.
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Miftan posted:You really need 4 separate things here though: No, I mean when you dial 999 they should be able to send out someone properly trained no matter what - for example it shouldn't have been on Sandford to decide whether the old man needed an ambulance, police, or some theoretical blue-light social/mental health service. In my "better" world, the police would probably still be the main first point of contact for anything not obviously on fire or dripping blood, but the officers would have sufficient training in mental health first-response to be able to decide either to get the man off somewhere safe immediately, give him a lift to his house and call social services to check up on him (and of course social services would be well-enough provisioned that someone would be there almost immediately) or just call his son and ask what he thought should be done. In fact as I've mentioned before, this would actually be *perfect* work for PCSOs if PCSOs weren't just cosplaying hi-viz fillers to walk around a bit so Paranoid Of Tunbridge Wells thinks that there are BOBBIES ON THE BEAT and so therefore the world is a tiny bit safer. An actual Community Support organisation that could handle these sort of "Stuff that isn't illegal but probably shouldn't be happening" situations with tools other than the criminal justice system and/or state-sanctioned violence would do more to improve society than any amount of water cannon *or* dancing coppers at Notting Hill could ever hope to. (and of course, today of all days, step one of that and *any* reform of the police is getting that whole blue wall of silence bullshit sorted out straight away)
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