thatbastardken posted:

Hostile V posted:

Game good and strongly interesting despite me having trouble understanding the rules for flight on a first pass. More thoughts to follow but more 30 Years Wars should start from someone throwing the new emperor out a window.

spectralent posted:

is gritty mandatory

spectralent posted:

Also, a question that pops into my head sometimes: has anyone made a space dogfighters hack of FC? It's probably the best dogfight system I've ever read by a mile so it seems like a great base but if someone has already done that or it's already a future project then it seems pointless to duplicate the effort.

The Lone Badger posted:

I'm not sure the system would work in space, since it's centered around gravity and the tradeoff of speed vs altitude vs turning.

spectralent posted:

Oh, for sure, it's absolutely not a hard space sim, but star-wars-y space fights where for some inexplicable reason people are ducking, weaving and diving? I think it'd be fine there. You'd just have to rename altitude to potential or something. Or, don't! Keep it altitude! Space is basically just a WW2 naval battle, right? We know which way is up because it's where all the ships are oriented towards.

open_sketchbook posted:

I have a friend who is working on a Star Wars hack specifically that looks amazing, I helped in a few places like coming up with mechanics for shields that feel like the ones in the movies.

spectralent posted:

Oh, hell yeah. Is that available anywhere or is it still in private draft form?

quote:

You Came in That Thing?: After you’ve flown a plane three times, you can roll on the Used chart and take the penalty. In exchange, select another of the penalties and apply its inverse. Restoring the plane to New doesn’t remove the advantageous modifications.
You can do this twice per plane. The bonus only work for you and people you Trust.

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Old Reliable: After 3 Routines in the same plane, without it being modified or upgraded, the plane gains +8 Toughness and +3 Reliability. This is once per plane, and the bonus is removed if the plane is modified.

OscarDiggs posted:

I'm having a pretty hard time finding a place to ask this so I'll do it here.
Does the Farmer Move "You came in that thing?" disable the Worker move "Old Reliable"?
It doesn't say it's a modification or an upgrade but there's disagreement in the group about whether it disables it or not.

sleepy.eyes posted:

Just chiming in to say the game looks amazing, I have my physical copy and am trying desperately to trawl up enough people for a game (such is life). Is there something wrong with me if I admit I had an easier time wrapping my head around this gameplay than any other PBA?

open_sketchbook posted:

The second is that there is now a Flying Circus discord!

Glazius posted:

Love to see experimental forms of ground transport that are just as weird as experimental planes.

spectralent posted:

I think one of the things I like about your work is that you do a really good job of making the reason the heroes are interesting or cool be how limited they are. Like, a lot of RPGs are power fantasies, where it's pretty easy to deal with stuff, but in the case of Patrol, Flying Circus, and Chariots of Steel, the mechanics spend a lot of time telling you things you can't do, or at least establishing costs for those things which eat into your dwindling resources. It's often a design associated with horror games, and I've used "logistical horror" to describe Patrol to friends before, but in Flying Circus (and, from the looks, Chariots), it's used to show how cool and daring the characters are instead - you're fiddling with engines, swooping in and out of furballs, and taking your hands off the wheel to fix one of your wings. All of which are things that're badass because you're in a flying deathtrap. Chariots has a similar feature with the deeply foundational status of "having to actually see out of your tank", which really highlights the fact you're stuck in a big metal box and hoping for the best. That willingness to center problems rather than what you can do is why I feel like your games are so interesting.

Also, mandatory "so this is the alpha for patrol 2 then" joke.

open_sketchbook posted:

the funny thing is, there actually *is* an alpha for patrol 2; i've been testing it by running a helldivers quest on Sufficient Velocity, of all things, and its leaning super hard into this angle by heavily amping up both the gear porn angle and the inventory management side of things.

so now, instead of just affecting your marching speed, your combat load affects the cost of literally every single action you take... but in exchange, there's more detail and emphasis involved in using that gear, more cool poo poo it does and more concrete ways to affect the battle with it. there's a strong middle-ground shooting action where you feel like you're putting rounds downrange with purpose even in intense firefights and if you set it up right you can knock down whole squads with automatic fire. your RTO isn't just abstractly begging for artillery, you have a VANCIAN CASTING SYSTEM for air support. and all of it just feeds into a big wheel on your sheet that just says SUCK on it and the more cool stuff you carry the more it degrades your capabilities, your body, and your loving spirit under the sheer mass of it all.

so you've got all these incredibly cool tools, and they have all these rules for how cool they are, and the one that actually matters to you most 99% of the time is how many kilograms it weighs. i think its best summarized by the fact that the gunplay is now detailed enough to model different firing rates and 'one in the chamber' when reloading on a partially empty magazine... and does so by punishing you with extra costs to retain your magazine or work the action!

open_sketchbook posted:

the funny thing is, there actually *is* an alpha for patrol 2; i've been testing it by running a helldivers quest on Sufficient Velocity, of all things, and its leaning super hard into this angle by heavily amping up both the gear porn angle and the inventory management side of things.

so now, instead of just affecting your marching speed, your combat load affects the cost of literally every single action you take... but in exchange, there's more detail and emphasis involved in using that gear, more cool poo poo it does and more concrete ways to affect the battle with it. there's a strong middle-ground shooting action where you feel like you're putting rounds downrange with purpose even in intense firefights and if you set it up right you can knock down whole squads with automatic fire. your RTO isn't just abstractly begging for artillery, you have a VANCIAN CASTING SYSTEM for air support. and all of it just feeds into a big wheel on your sheet that just says SUCK on it and the more cool stuff you carry the more it degrades your capabilities, your body, and your loving spirit under the sheer mass of it all.

so you've got all these incredibly cool tools, and they have all these rules for how cool they are, and the one that actually matters to you most 99% of the time is how many kilograms it weighs. i think its best summarized by the fact that the gunplay is now detailed enough to model different firing rates and 'one in the chamber' when reloading on a partially empty magazine... and does so by punishing you with extra costs to retain your magazine or work the action!

sleepy.eyes posted:

Stoked to see Chariots out, even though I have a hard time getting anyone to play anything that isn't bog standard DnD. I enjoy just reading the books and looking at neat illustrations.