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freebooter posted:But those men had names and the ranks were used in conjunction with them. The Yeerks have names but don't appear to use them once they're ranked; nobody ever refers to him as anything other than Visser Three. And in a time of war like this where people are getting killed and executed and promoted all over the joint, it would get real confusing real fast as to who was who when you say "orders from sub-visser 12" or whatever. The other option is the Yeerks that got off the planet as part of Akdor's rebellion formed their own Council of Thirteen as some sort of government-in-exile and the original planet-bound one still exists under Andalite occupation and there's been zero communication between the de jure and de facto versions in decades.
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# ? Jun 8, 2021 01:46 |
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I think I’d assumed that the Andalite blockade of the Yeerk home world wasn’t as absoloute as they might have hoped.
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# ? Jun 8, 2021 02:27 |
I do find it interesting that.... Temrash? Bags on the Andalites as the great meddlers of the galaxy, when.... well, this entire book.
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# ? Jun 8, 2021 02:37 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I do find it interesting that.... Temrash? Bags on the Andalites as the great meddlers of the galaxy, when.... well, this entire book. "I learnt it from watching you, dad!!" On that note, it's fun how this series for young people features a species that has run away from home and is now in trouble with the [space] cops. Tree Bucket fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Jun 8, 2021 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I do find it interesting that.... Temrash? Bags on the Andalites as the great meddlers of the galaxy, when.... well, this entire book. I don't know that Temrash is entirely wrong. See, for instance, in the Andalite Chronicles, they have dedicated anti-piracy/smuggling patrols and have pretty much unilaterally set themselves up as space cops. Temrash's specific complaint, though is probably more because they won't let the Yeerks conquer and enslave the galaxy, so he doesn't have some sort of idealistic or sympathetic place to stand....err....slither.
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# ? Jun 8, 2021 03:59 |
Well sure, but that entirely is doing an awful lot of heavy lifting. "Look, all we want is to enslave every conscious being in the entire galaxy, but WHAT ABOUT THE ANDALITES?!?!?!?!"
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# ? Jun 8, 2021 04:01 |
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This is where the US/Andalites analogy sort of starts to fall flat, because as far as we can see the Andalites are a fairly peaceful vegetarian society of space deer whose atrocities (do we know of any yet other than (spoilering this even though I'm pretty sure it was revealed in Andalite Chronicles the quantum virus Alloran is about to crack out?) are genuinely done for the greater good, whereas the US' various crimes across centuries have been for, you know, capitalist imperialism and all that jazz.
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# ? Jun 8, 2021 04:11 |
It is a pretty good stab at adding shades of grey though. It really is.
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# ? Jun 8, 2021 04:12 |
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Chapter 31 Aldrea quote:I went to see Alloran without telling Dak. I asked him what was in the guarded room. He told me very coldly to mind my own business. Alloran had always been arrogant. Now, after months of hopeless battle, he was brutal, distant, and above all, exhausted. Welp, there's your Quantum Virus. Chapter 32 Dak Hamee quote:We stood there, the two of us, motionless. I don’t know what Aldrea felt. I know what I felt. I was angry, filled with rage at the Andalites for having done this evil thing. It's kind of ironic that a Yeerk attack probably saved them.
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# ? Jun 8, 2021 04:32 |
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Not to be all pro- war crimes, but if you're making a virus that only targets one species, why not target the yeerk? If you're concerned about them being protected from it inside a brain, give it a long incubation period so it spreads through the pool before they notice it exists.
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# ? Jun 8, 2021 13:54 |
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Bobulus posted:Not to be all pro- war crimes, but if you're making a virus that only targets one species, why not target the yeerk? If you're concerned about them being protected from it inside a brain, give it a long incubation period so it spreads through the pool before they notice it exists. Couple of reasons. First, don't Yeerks die when their host does? Something about shock. So if you target the Hork Bajir you get the Yeerks too. Second, if you think about the Hork Bajir as a resource instead of a people, it makes more sense. Killing the Yeerks on-planet gives you time for more Andalites to show up, sure, but you then still have to devote resources to protecting the Hork Bajir from the Yeerks. They'll still want those host bodies, and they will still come for them If you just remove the Hork Bajir as viable host options, well, problem solved. If the Andalites freed the Hork Bajir and enlisted them as true allies, it would make sense but they honestly seem too arrogant to believe that they would ever be anything other than a liability. They don't even see them as possibly useful ground forces, which is incredibly short sighted. Ravenfood fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Jun 8, 2021 |
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Another thing about the virus is that the Arn already know what Hork-Bajir DNA looks like....better than anyone, actually. To target this to the Yeerk, the Andalites and Arn would have to get their hands on Yeerk DNA, sequence it, and then figure out how to make a weapon designed to it. That's a lot harder.
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Epicurius posted:Another thing about the virus is that the Arn already know what Hork-Bajir DNA looks like....better than anyone, actually. To target this to the Yeerk, the Andalites and Arn would have to get their hands on Yeerk DNA, sequence it, and then figure out how to make a weapon designed to it. That's a lot harder. This is a really interesting point from a historical human perspective, too. When these books were published, the human genome hadn’t even been fully sequenced yet, but the technology was there and sequencing was only a few years in the future. KAA is doing a classical SF move here by extrapolating then-current technology to its worst-case end usage. The Quantum Virus is essentially the viral warfare chuds have been accusing the Chinese of doing with COVID writ large, but in space and with another species. Bibliotechno Music fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Jun 8, 2021 |
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Chapter 33 Aldrea quote:We jumped into shadow. Hooray! All the narrators are together. Chapter 34 Esplin 9466 quote:id I gloat a little? Oh, yes. Oh, yes indeed. I suppose the problem of securing former hosts never was a problem until the Yeerks got to the Hork-Bajir world. Gedds don't strike me as the kind of creatures that would rebel or resist much.
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# ? Jun 9, 2021 06:00 |
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My theory to explain Esplin 9466 in this book and the Absolute Chronicles is that his rationality, sublety, and ability to keep his narcissism in check are proportional to his distance to away from an Andalite brain.
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# ? Jun 9, 2021 07:15 |
It's probably just an analogy that Applegate chose because it makes sense to us, but it's interesting that Visser thought of the loveliest flower. Particularly since, well, Temrash described the Yeerk homeworld as lacking in diversity, and we saw in Andalite Chronicles that there isn't a lot of plant life. Also, Jesus, dude. This is even worse than monologues. You moron.
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# ? Jun 9, 2021 07:26 |
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gourdcaptain posted:My theory to explain Esplin 9466 in this book and the Absolute Chronicles is that his rationality, sublety, and ability to keep his narcissism in check are proportional to his distance to away from an Andalite brain. I keep saying it: Alloran hosed. Him. UP.
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# ? Jun 9, 2021 09:58 |
What did they say? 100k controllers? So he's about to see a very large percentage of those die. I could see that driving a slug a little crazy.
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# ? Jun 9, 2021 10:12 |
My interpretation is that being the smartest man in the room went to his head as he stopped respecting subordinates as the original revolutionaries were... kinda dumb!
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nine-gear crow posted:I keep saying it: Alloran hosed. Him. UP. Hmm. Visser 3 really makes sense as a melding of the worst aspects of Esplin and Alloran.
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# ? Jun 9, 2021 23:07 |
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Seems like it had to. Spoilers: It is probably just an inconsistency/retcon but in this book Visser Three seems to be a fan of or even one of the people who originally conceives of the idea of subtle, secret infestation to take over a planet. Except the later book Visser makes it clear that is Visser One's plan, and Visser Three chafes against it and would prefer an all-out assault. Esplin basically going crazy from 20 years spent with arrogant war criminal Alloran in his head is a way to sort of make sense of this.
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# ? Jun 10, 2021 00:13 |
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It's interesting (and sort of refreshing) that the Animorphs wring their hands over the morality of acquiring and morphing intelligent species, whereas with Aldrea it just doesn't even occur to her.
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# ? Jun 10, 2021 01:09 |
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Chapter 35 Dak Hamee quote:The Yeerk slug lay helpless on the deck. Two Hork-Bajir-Controllers lay there, too. A happy ending, everybody! Epilogue quote:Jara Hamee’s voice fell silent. So, in all the darkness, there's at least still hope. There's a place now where the Hork-Bajir are free, and there are children, the first in 30 years, who are born in freedom, and one of them's a seer, who might be able to lead her people to victory against the Yeerks and do what her great-grandfather couldn't do. Still, this book makes me really want to have a drink. Tomorrow, we're going to see more of Tobias, with Book 23, The Pretender.
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# ? Jun 10, 2021 03:56 |
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I'm not sure how Esplin could have possibly made it out of that alive.
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# ? Jun 10, 2021 04:17 |
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I'm assuming Dak and Aldrea died rather than being infested and that Seerow was the first of the line to get captured. It does make me wonder how generations are raised when the whole species is enslaved. When does a young Hork-Bajir get infested? Is there a birth rate they need to stick to? Were Jara and Ket a couple before they escaped? How do couples start when you're a controller, small talk in your cage every three days?
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# ? Jun 10, 2021 04:30 |
WrightOfWay posted:I'm not sure how Esplin could have possibly made it out of that alive. An Ellimist did it.
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# ? Jun 10, 2021 04:39 |
And thanks. I love, love, this book. Its so utterly brutal yet has such wonderful little moments hidden within it.
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# ? Jun 10, 2021 04:39 |
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That is actually quite an uplifting ending, in spite of everything. Not so much without the frame story, but like, things are now looking better for the Hork-Bajir than they have in decades. And Tobias got to have a nice evening listening to a story with his friends.
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# ? Jun 10, 2021 04:40 |
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Epicurius posted:It was a Hork-Bajir kiss, I suppose. What we Andalites do when we stroke another’s face with our palms. Hmm. I guess you wouldn't always want to rub your uhh nose-slits together or something. WrightOfWay posted:I'm not sure how Esplin could have possibly made it out of that alive. Yeah, even for an Animorphs book this ends pretty abruptly. Huh. So, apparently I actually must have read Visser, because there are passages and reveals from a Chronicles book that I remember reading, that have not been in Andalite or Hork-Bajir.
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# ? Jun 10, 2021 05:03 |
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Visser IMO is the best of them that relates to the main story and in fact directly ties in, when a main series book ends with a cliffhanger that then gets picked up in the middle of Visser. Ellimist is maybe better but is way more of a standalone space opera.
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# ? Jun 10, 2021 05:15 |
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I don't remember if this happened in the thread yet but one of my favourite minor characters in Animorphs is the free Hork-Bajir with one eye who is super psyched to meet Tobias. He's excited because Tobias ripped that eye out when he was a controller and to him it was the dopest poo poo of all time.
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# ? Jun 10, 2021 13:40 |
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I greatly enjoyed finally reading through the final Chronicles I hadn’t before. Some thoughts: It’s interesting that the quantum virus wasn’t deployed purposefully. I don’t know that it actually changes anything since the Andalites developed it and Alloran absolutely would have used it. Just interesting that the way it plays out adds a few more shades of grey. Man, Esplin really dodges death repeatedly huh? I picture Ellimist and Crayak both repeatedly stepping in to save his life, each laughing about how their most important piece won’t be taken out so easily. Actually it’d be really interesting to have a full book from his perspective, and maybe Alloran’s as well, spelling out the whole crazy saga in order. Though between the andalite, hork bajir, and visser chronicles, as well as the main books, you can pretty much piece it together anyway. I also like that we’ve now seen two andalites trapped in morph eventually having plot-relevant offspring in Tobias and Toby. I hope Arbron had a kid named Tobaxxon who’s heading a heroic team of adventurers and leading the resistance on the opposite end of the galaxy.
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# ? Jun 10, 2021 20:56 |
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Book 23-The Pretender-Chapter 1quote:My name is Tobias. It's good to see Tobias has gotten over his squeamishness about hunting from the really early books. Unfortunate that he couldn't catch his prey, though. And, of course, there's the mandatory "This is what the series is about" part. Chapter 2 quote:I was still hungry. And now I was shaken up, too. This was not the first time I’d had a similar experience. It had started in the last couple of weeks. Weird flashes like waking dreams. I would be closing in on my prey and then, in that ultimate moment, I would feel my mind transferred into that prey. So why do you think it bothered Tobias so much that Rachel saw him eating roadkill. Do you think he'd be just as bothered if she saw him eating something he killed?
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 04:19 |
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This book was also one of my faves, cause as a weird kid I liked all the Tobias ones. He must feel bad about not even being a cool hawk, one of the fantasies of bullied kids is that something will happen to let them turn the tables on those who have power over them. But something did change for Tobias and yet he’s still bullied by stronger people/birds. Though importantly, this time it is only because he’s holding himself back by not just morphing as he said and getting rid of his competitor.
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 05:00 |
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Epicurius posted:So why do you think it bothered Tobias so much that Rachel saw him eating roadkill. Do you think he'd be just as bothered if she saw him eating something he killed? Nope. Display of weakness. With the flashes he's having putting him in the mind of the rabbit, is that just because he's empathetic and has morphed other animals and knows what it is to be prey? Has he morphed a prey animal?
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 09:49 |
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I read this one right after #22 as a kid, so that was a hell of a one-two punch.
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freebooter posted:Nope. Display of weakness. He's morphed a mole and a housefly, so far, I know.
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Chapter 3quote:I saw Rachel again two days later. I’d checked in with Jake to see if anything was going on. There were no missions - we’d worked plenty lately, dealing with the horrifying matter of David, thefirst new Animorph. Tobias has always wanted a home. A real home, I mean. Chapter 4 quote:The lawyer’s name was DeGroot. His office didn’t look like much. It was in one of those strip malls with a convenience store at one end and a State Farm Insurance office on the other end. It didn’t look like a place to lay a trap. But that’s the thing about traps: If they looked like traps, they wouldn’t be very effective. My favorite part is Tobias's observation that the thing about traps is that they never look like traps.
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# ? Jun 12, 2021 03:53 |
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Epicurius posted:
except when they do look like traps and they just want you to think it's so obvious that it can't be a trap... but then BAM! Trap-trap! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZYeZ6zA5gE
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Mazerunner posted:except when they do look like traps and they just want you to think it's so obvious that it can't be a trap... You realize Tobias would eat Rufus, right?
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