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Terrible Opinions posted:Lordy does Joann hate fat people So she's a goon?
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Jun 9, 2021 02:23
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Violet_Sky posted:Why the gently caress did Harry potter get big Buying seven Harry Potter novels was way cheaper than shelling out for 50+ Animorphs books.
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Jun 9, 2021 02:26
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Well you get what you pay for  
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Jun 9, 2021 02:44
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Something else I've noticed about geek culture and critiques of it is that the community takes everything so loving personally. Criticism of the backlash that people like Ebert and Scorsese had over video games and comic book flicks is an attack on nerds on a personal level.
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Jun 9, 2021 02:53
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you ever want to get a middle class white girl spitting mad at you, just say Harry Potter sucks
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Jun 9, 2021 03:08
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Star Man posted:Something else I've noticed about geek culture and critiques of it is that the community takes everything so loving personally. Criticism of the backlash that people like Ebert and Scorsese had over video games and comic book flicks is an attack on nerds on a personal level. TBF as ebert admits the art label validates an intense emotional engagement with a work. To treat any criticism or discomfort with your favorite work as an insult to you personally is still bullshit though. And It’s still true that people in general should have been more constructive with both of these people’s criticisms.
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Jun 9, 2021 03:13
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Star Man posted:Something else I've noticed about geek culture and critiques of it is that the community takes everything so loving personally. Criticism of the backlash that people like Ebert and Scorsese had over video games and comic book flicks is an attack on nerds on a personal level. the scorsese stuff didn't really strike me as geek culture outrage, it was people including disney itself trying to paint him as a snobby critic looking down at mainstream movies for his accurate criticisms of their movies, which is a way more common grievance Motto fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Jun 9, 2021 |
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Jun 9, 2021 03:18
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Bleck posted:you ever want to get a middle class white girl spitting mad at you, just say Harry Potter sucks Honestly, I find people that never miss an opportunity to remind me that JK Rowling is a monster and that's why they disowned Harry Potter or try to make up poo poo about a series of books they used to admire to come off as if they weren't that into it in the first place more annoying.
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Jun 9, 2021 03:19
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Star Man posted:Honestly, I find people that never miss an opportunity to remind me that JK Rowling is a monster and that's why they disowned Harry Potter or try to make up poo poo about a series of books they used to admire to come off as if they weren't that into it in the first place more annoying. Yeah, there's some weird revisionism about how everyone always knew the books were bad and ???
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Jun 9, 2021 03:24
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I still think prisoner of azkaban was a good movie it's a movie about having a cool uncle who's in prison for being too cool for society to handle. I wish I had an uncle like that
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Jun 9, 2021 03:25
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Motto posted:the scorsese stuff didn't really strike me as geek culture outrage, it was people including disney itself trying to paint him as a snobby critic looking down at mainstream movies for his accurate criticisms of their movies, which is a way more common grievance His criticisms being correct and the conclusion that they’re too tasteless to be “Cinema” being false can be both be held at once. These nerds should just be at peace at loving monopolistic trash and say “understandable snob. Have a nice day”
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Jun 9, 2021 03:29
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Augus posted:I still think prisoner of azkaban was a good movie thats the one directed by alfonso cuarón which is why its weirdly really good in a sea of otherwise pretty bland movies
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Jun 9, 2021 03:37
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The "Someone finally punches Malfoy in the face" movie
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Jun 9, 2021 03:39
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Star Man posted:Honestly, I find people that never miss an opportunity to remind me that JK Rowling is a monster and that's why they disowned Harry Potter or try to make up poo poo about a series of books they used to admire to come off as if they weren't that into it in the first place more annoying. Yeah. HP was unbelievably huge with kids, teens, adults, boys, girls, people of all classes and races and from all over the world. I dunno why anybody would specify middle class white girls. I was reading an interesting book analyzing the ethics of LOTR, HP. and Twilight - popular fantasy and all - and the chapter on HP's ethics goes over how the New York Times had to invent a new category for Best Sellers just to accommodate HP's consistent domination. Also had quotes from reviewers giving their ideas on why it succeeded. Basically it was a very well done blending of styles. quote:Several critics have noted the creative blend of genres that is rolled into the series. Anne Hiebert Alton has pointed to elements of pulp fiction, ghost and horror stories, gothic elements, narrative structures from the detective genre, aspects of the Bildungsroman, the Victorian boarding or public school story, the sports story, elements of fairy and folk tales, aspects of the quest fantasy but also adventure plots, and quest romance (Alton, 2009, p. 221). In Alton’s view, Rowling blends all these genres while moving towards the epic and in doing so is original. Lee Siegel notes that Rowling has mastered the conventions of the James Bond movie:
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Jun 9, 2021 03:40
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Star Man posted:Honestly, I find people that never miss an opportunity to remind me that JK Rowling is a monster and that's why they disowned Harry Potter or try to make up poo poo about a series of books they used to admire to come off as if they weren't that into it in the first place more annoying. That's what causes 'the backlash to the backlash' happening usually yeah, it gets tiresome to hear that inane spiel every time, JK Rowling sucks poo poo, you can still say you liked the books as a kid, hell you can still say you remember them fondly enough as an adult while recognizing the crap parts of them, people who make it this dire mission to convince everyone that it was always bad and they always knew and all that poo poo are the most  thing. That kind of thing's not just limited to HP either, but it's almost always agonizingly dull just the same.
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Jun 9, 2021 03:54
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Yardbomb posted:That's what causes 'the backlash to the backlash' happening usually yeah, it gets tiresome to hear that inane spiel every time, JK Rowling sucks poo poo, you can still say you liked the books as a kid, hell you can still say you remember them fondly enough as an adult while recognizing the crap parts of them, people who make it this dire mission to convince everyone that it was always bad and they always knew and all that poo poo are the most But then how will I get my twitter woke cred????
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Jun 9, 2021 05:13
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Dias posted:But then how will I get my twitter woke cred???? Or my SA contrarian cred???
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Jun 9, 2021 05:26
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Hey I liked HP, Animorphs was just better
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Jun 9, 2021 05:42
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I feel like generally when people fell off of harry potter is fairly consistent with their particular age group just growing out of them. Seemed like most people i knew read and enjoyed 1-4 as kids but fell off book 5 both due to aging out of the target demo.
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Jun 9, 2021 05:43
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BrianWilly posted:Hey I liked HP, Animorphs was just better I liked goosebumps and weenie books.
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Jun 9, 2021 05:45
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I found Book 5 to be the strongest, even though it's got garbage in it too. Umbridge is such a real, loathsome petty fascist and it's got Harry at his most proactive and with the strongest convictions.
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Jun 9, 2021 06:04
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who knew dolores umbridge was actually joanne's self-insert the whole time
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Jun 9, 2021 06:21
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Terrible Opinions posted:I feel like generally when people fell off of harry potter is fairly consistent with their particular age group just growing out of them. Seemed like most people i knew read and enjoyed 1-4 as kids but fell off book 5 both due to aging out of the target demo.
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Jun 9, 2021 06:30
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Finally, a substitute for reading the book https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2TtRWawNqw
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Jun 9, 2021 06:36
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Terrible Opinions posted:I feel like generally when people fell off of harry potter is fairly consistent with their particular age group just growing out of them. Seemed like most people i knew read and enjoyed 1-4 as kids but fell off book 5 both due to aging out of the target demo. The first few books were about a bunch of kids solving mysteries in their magic school and goofing around. Even the worse stuff didn't seem as harmful back then. Dobby being a slave to Lucius Malfoy just seemed like a way to show the Malfoys are evil rear end in a top hat antagonists and that being freed by being given clothes was just a silly fantasy logic thing. Then the books when on and there was a whole thing of Hogwarts hiring elves not as employees but as loving slaves and had a scene with the elves getting angry at Hermonie for trying to make clothes to free them. And then came Kreacher and how Harry just never decided to free him and it was just uuuuugh. The more Rowling tried to make her world serious and concrete of what was seemed like kids fantasy that sometimes played by Calvinball logic, the uglier it got.
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Jun 9, 2021 09:37
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fun hater posted:thats the one directed by alfonso cuarón which is why its weirdly really good in a sea of otherwise pretty bland movies
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Jun 9, 2021 09:44
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Yvonmukluk posted:Didn't Rowling's first non-Potter work get poor reviews/sell really poorly until it got 'leaked' she wrote it? Wikipedia says this quote:The book received mostly positive reviews. Most of them came only after Rowling became known as the author, but the early reactions were generally complimentary as well. The newest one is nearly 1,000 pages long which just gently caress off with that many pages. Had no interest in reading it anyway but that many pages is just wrong.
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Jun 9, 2021 10:26
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I liked the Rick Riordan books, although I stopped reading him halfway through the Roman gods books. I was spoiled, fantasy wise, because I read Discworld as a kid and those books are just fantastic
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Jun 9, 2021 10:47
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bessantj posted:Wikipedia says this Yeah it's 1000 pages for her pulpy, lurid detective books with a lovely romance forced into it. Her being Galbraith was leaked by a guy who was trying to impress his date from what I remember.
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Jun 9, 2021 11:20
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there’s a pretty good episode of I Don’t Even Own A Television on one of those bad detective books http://www.idontevenownatelevision.com/2019/11/10/145-career-of-evil/
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Jun 9, 2021 11:24
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DeafNote posted:The only contact I have had with Heavy Rain is Slowbeef/Diabetus randomly going off on a tangent about that game's plot during the Omega Ridley fight. Speaking slowbeef and Heavy Rain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9bFb3kpKeM
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Jun 9, 2021 11:39
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DrVenkman posted:Yeah it's 1000 pages for her pulpy, lurid detective books with a lovely romance forced into it. the real Casual Vacancy is her editor
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Jun 9, 2021 13:17
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DesertIslandHermit posted:The first few books were about a bunch of kids solving mysteries in their magic school and goofing around. Even the worse stuff didn't seem as harmful back then. Dobby being a slave to Lucius Malfoy just seemed like a way to show the Malfoys are evil rear end in a top hat antagonists and that being freed by being given clothes was just a silly fantasy logic thing. Then the books when on and there was a whole thing of Hogwarts hiring elves not as employees but as loving slaves and had a scene with the elves getting angry at Hermonie for trying to make clothes to free them. And then came Kreacher and how Harry just never decided to free him and it was just uuuuugh. The more Rowling tried to make her world serious and concrete of what was seemed like kids fantasy that sometimes played by Calvinball logic, the uglier it got. yeah. she wrote herself into a corner and instead of trying to break out of it, she kept digging through the wall. Yardbomb posted:That's what causes 'the backlash to the backlash' happening usually yeah, it gets tiresome to hear that inane spiel every time, JK Rowling sucks poo poo, you can still say you liked the books as a kid, hell you can still say you remember them fondly enough as an adult while recognizing the crap parts of them, people who make it this dire mission to convince everyone that it was always bad and they always knew and all that poo poo are the most same. like yeah, JK sucks especially now but i dislike this weird "we have always been at war with Eurasia" thing in internet pop culture criticism where its declared that "actually we always hated said thing and you can never admit you liked it and actually liking anything that isnt 100% pure is bad" poo poo gets loving old.
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Jun 9, 2021 13:50
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DesertIslandHermit posted:being freed by being given clothes was just a silly fantasy logic thing.
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Jun 9, 2021 13:59
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Dapper_Swindler posted:same. like yeah, JK sucks especially now but i dislike this weird "we have always been at war with Eurasia" thing in internet pop culture criticism where its declared that "actually we always hated said thing and you can never admit you liked it and actually liking anything that isnt 100% pure is bad" poo poo gets loving old. Rowling being Unable To Log Off and stop saying stupid, awful things, both politically and about the Harry Potter world, was definitely a big factor in people no longer giving her the benefit of the doubt when it came to the bland political messaging of the books. And then you get to things that just make the wizarding world seem like moronic cavemen like the "Wizards used to poop on the floor" factoid that nobody needed, and actively undermines any logical application of magic the wizards would more reasonably use. Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Jun 9, 2021 |
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Jun 9, 2021 14:03
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She heard about star trek poop removal and decided to coin a wizard version
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Jun 9, 2021 14:13
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Dapper_Swindler posted:same. like yeah, JK sucks especially now but i dislike this weird "we have always been at war with Eurasia" thing in internet pop culture criticism where its declared that "actually we always hated said thing and you can never admit you liked it and actually liking anything that isnt 100% pure is bad" poo poo gets loving old. While I do agree with this, and I think it’s perfectly fine to enjoy art made by terrible people, I think it’s also worth pointing out that some of us really did just hate the books all along. It’s just a lot easier to voice that opinion now that they aren’t being treated as sacred cows.
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Jun 9, 2021 14:37
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im not cool enough to say I always thought the series was bad, as a dumb grade-schooler I was fully invested in the series all the way through Book 6, dumb plot twists and all. Even back then though Book 7 just bored me and I quickly forgot most of what happened in it. The thing you need to keep in mind with the tone shift of the series is the whole “growing up with the audience” idea. The kids who read the series for whimsical adventure quickly became moody teenagers so the series adjusted to keep them hooked. The angst and relationship drama and heel-turns and “dark, mature” subject matter of the later books are all laser-guided to appeal to the brains of dumb teenagers living in the 00’s and in that regard the books were very good at what they were trying to do.
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Jun 9, 2021 14:41
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Bakeneko posted:While I do agree with this, and I think it’s perfectly fine to enjoy art made by terrible people, I think it’s also worth pointing out that some of us really did just hate the books all along. It’s just a lot easier to voice that opinion now that they aren’t being treated as sacred cows. On the flipside, there are always lovely people who crawl out of the woodwork with no other goal in mind than earning cool guy points by letting everyone know they were too smart to like <thing> in the first place. 
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Jun 9, 2021 14:57
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Star Man posted:Something else I've noticed about geek culture and critiques of it is that the community takes everything so loving personally. Criticism of the backlash that people like Ebert and Scorsese had over video games and comic book flicks is an attack on nerds on a personal level. The whole thing is, "geek"/"nerd" branding is very explicitly designed to evoke ones feelings of adolescent isolation and awkwardness. There's also a fair amount of pseudo-intellectualism there as well. (After all, nerds are clearly the smart ones!) People mistake loving sci-fi for knowing about actual science; they mistake playing video games for knowing about computers; they tell the child reading a Harry Potter book that they are smart and literate, and that child grows into an adult who still considers themselves smart and literate because they can obsessively catalogue the minutia of the Harry Potter universe but never moved on to any other literature.
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