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Grand Fromage posted:For a narrative history, that's the only one. I wouldn't call it amateurish, at least not once he gets into it. Anthony Kaldellis also does a ERE podcast but it's topic based, not chronological. I don't know of any others. Oh poo poo he does? Imma have to go check that out at least. Also good to know HoB is okay at least, his very unassurred introductory episodes did not inspire confidence.
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PittTheElder posted:Oh poo poo he does? Imma have to go check that out at least. It's good, it's called Byzantium & Friends. It's not a replacement of History of Byzantium but a companion. PittTheElder posted:Also good to know HoB is okay at least, his very unassurred introductory episodes did not inspire confidence. Yeah it's just beginning podcast syndrome. It's one of my favorites now.
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PittTheElder posted:Oh poo poo he does? Imma have to go check that out at least. He gets a lot better later on. There's also twelve Byzantine rulers but Lars briwnworth which is good and well researched but skips massive chunks of history
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Gaius Marius posted:There's also twelve Byzantine rulers but Lars briwnworth which is good and well researched but skips massive chunks of history This was the first podcast I listened to (and the only one for like five years) and it's pretty good. Definitely a cursory overview but a good introduction to the broad strokes of Byzantine history. I remember the Heraclius episode being especially great.
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Schadenboner posted:I'll bet that's actually really interesting. Lots of WW1 and RCW stuff washing up against literal repeating crossbows and Tibetans with matchlocks? If you're not aware Ian of forgotten weapons is kick-starting a book about domestic Chinese firearm production in the early 20th century. He's got a collection of Chinese made handguns which are mostly copies of European and American designs, and it seems to be his top obsession (possibly after overly engineered French rifles).
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buglord posted:Started listening to 99% Invisible again. What in the world happened to Roman Mars’ voice? He sounds pretty bad. Huh. I see what you're saying. Dunno.
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I paid for a month of wondery so I could listen to the new season of Tides of History about prehistory, and I have to admit I feel like none of it is sinking in. I dunno if it's because the topics are so unfamiliar, or because he goes so fast, or because he's not actually as great at presenting information as I thought... But it's just like all these names of different peoples and eras flying by and I can't hold on to any of it. It's a shame because I think a lot of the research he's presenting is really cutting edge and interesting. One thing I wish podcast hosts would do is spell out a word or name the first time it's mentioned, to help me get a grip on it, because sometimes they're just like random sounds.
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Check the description for spellings and spend an hour hitting up wikipedia for the basics; I think you're absolutely right that there's a tipping point of unfamiliarity where it's all a blur. Or, more to the point, it'll make more sense the second or third time you're introduced to the material.
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I found the first chunk of the prehistory to be impossible to focus on or retain any information from but once he switched to talking about the development of agriculture and societies in different locations it got a lot better and more interesting.
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fuf posted:I paid for a month of wondery so I could listen to the new season of Tides of History about prehistory, and I have to admit I feel like none of it is sinking in. This was my college major and after reading this I think you’re absolutely right. A lot of this assumes a bunch of familiarity on the subject matter and would likely drown me if it was my first exposure to anthropology/prehistory. My only advice would to be accept that you’re gonna have to probably listen to the episodes a couple times over and piece things together. The Revolutions podcast felt similar because I know dick-all about 19th century/pre-WW1 20th Center history. I had to listen to the French Revolution series twice to figure out what was going on and retain the info. Eventually context began to emerge from the later episodes and the replaying of earlier ones. The podcast became more enjoyable when I realized it’s not gonna stick at first and it’s okay to be confused. I know that’s not really optimal and is kind of a sucky answer but that’s been my experience with plenty of podcasts mentioned itt.
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As much as I love history podcasts and audiobooks, I also don't retain information as well as when I read it. For ones like Revolutions I usually wait until I have several built up to listen all at once, it's easier as a chunk instead of week to week.
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Grand Fromage posted:As much as I love history podcasts and audiobooks, I also don't retain information as well as when I read it. For ones like Revolutions I usually wait until I have several built up to listen all at once, it's easier as a chunk instead of week to week. Yeah, I only really do multi-part histories as part of a playlist.
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GodFish posted:I found the first chunk of the prehistory to be impossible to focus on or retain any information from but once he switched to talking about the development of agriculture and societies in different locations it got a lot better and more interesting. It's funny because I'm kind of having the opposite problem. I thought the pre-civ stuff was fascinating to me, and the more it gets into dawn of civilization (though the explanation for the start of agriculture was legitimately really interesting), the more I'm like okay how far is this actually going?
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Sinteres posted:It's funny because I'm kind of having the opposite problem. I thought the pre-civ stuff was fascinating to me, and the more it gets into dawn of civilization (though the explanation for the start of agriculture was legitimately really interesting), the more I'm like okay how far is this actually going? If I remember right he's going up to the Bronze Age Collapse, then starting a new series about the beginnings of Rome and China.
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Grand Fromage posted:As much as I love history podcasts and audiobooks, I also don't retain information as well as when I read it. For ones like Revolutions I usually wait until I have several built up to listen all at once, it's easier as a chunk instead of week to week. Yeah I do the same, especially during covid I've taken to going on long drives basically just to listen to podcasts (and get out of the house). But yeah when you're coming into a new period it's a bit of a mess. When I read Barbarian Migrations and the Roman West I had to keep notes on the side to really follow the narrative bits, too many people I'd never heard of.
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For Tides of History, check out the blog post he’s written for each episode on https://patrickwyman.substack.com - I’ve found it super helpful with a few images, maps, and even just seeing the names of things I’m unfamiliar with.
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https://twitter.com/HardcoreHistory/status/1402425206379974656 Probably in the minority but I have rather enjoyed the series.
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I thought he did a good job explaining the Japanese perspective in a way we don't often hear when he is able to avoid going into dad—history mode (like the first 1 1/2 episodes) Ill probably listen to this and get mad but hopefully he can pull it back in for the last episode.
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I'm usually fine with him, but I take Carlin with a grain of salt after he sourced David Grossman on one of his previous episodes. AKA, the guy who helped invent the modern police state via bullshit he made up about human psychology.
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Jun 9, 2021 02:42
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I've always enjoyed his shows but the last one or two were really hard to get through, I almost stopped listening to the last one. Hopefully now that he's got this out of the way he can get away from modern stuff for a bit. e: His history show, the politics/news/whatever podcast is unlistenable.
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Digital Jedi posted:https://twitter.com/HardcoreHistory/status/1402425206379974656 Hey, it only took him 3 years.
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Digital Jedi posted:https://twitter.com/HardcoreHistory/status/1402425206379974656 Oh cool. I can finally start it!
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webmeister posted:For Tides of History, check out the blog post he’s written for each episode on https://patrickwyman.substack.com - I’ve found it super helpful with a few images, maps, and even just seeing the names of things I’m unfamiliar with. Thanks, this is a really good idea. He always mentions the substack but I'm usually listening in bed / while doing something else so it never occurred to me to actually look at it.
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fuf posted:Thanks, this is a really good idea. He always mentions the substack but I'm usually listening in bed / while doing something else so it never occurred to me to actually look at it. Yeah it's quite helpful. The text is usually pretty close to a transcript of the episode (or at least, close enough that I don't bother reading it), but he's usually got pictures of what he's talking about which can help immensely.
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Appoda posted:I'm usually fine with him, but I take Carlin with a grain of salt after he sourced David Grossman on one of his previous episodes. AKA, the guy who helped invent the modern police state via bullshit he made up about human psychology. drat I didn't realize he did.
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Appoda posted:I'm usually fine with him, but I take Carlin with a grain of salt after he sourced David Grossman on one of his previous episodes. AKA, the guy who helped invent the modern police state via bullshit he made up about human psychology. alot of people don't know his book about soldiers killing and stuff is mostly bullshit to some degree and i see it sorta quoted(mostly just the rifles not fired and the ww2 stuff) thrown around. also the weird "video games train ISIS and cartels and kids to shoot up schools". the dudes a really bad source and a bad person but most people just hear the one paragraph about the rifles and assume thats all there is.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:alot of people don't know his book about soldiers killing and stuff is mostly bullshit to some degree and i see it sorta quoted(mostly just the rifles not fired and the ww2 stuff) thrown around. also the weird "video games train ISIS and cartels and kids to shoot up schools". the dudes a really bad source and a bad person but most people just hear the one paragraph about the rifles and assume thats all there is. the solution to all of our problems is to have MORE military parades oh and PTSD only exists because people fail properly to worship soldiers.
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I stopped in supernova... at some point. I liked the first episode and wish he'd kept the Japanese perspective. I hope he does some distant past stuff next. Both King of Kings and Thor's Angels in really enjoyed.
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One of my many gripes with Grossman is that even if you accept his evidence and premises, his logic is batshit and monstrous. "Human beings are really bad at killing and don't like to do it - here's some evidence for that" ok, interesting - where are you going with this "Let's break their brains so they become good at it because we have enemies"  Why are these enemies so good at killing, David?
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Lawman 0 posted:Just audibly groaned when Carlin described the 44 Burma campaign as a "joker card and introducing a little chaos" ugh. Not so much “hardcore” history as “dad joke” history
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Count Roland posted:I stopped in supernova... at some point. I liked the first episode and wish he'd kept the Japanese perspective. I quit in part four when he tried to both-sides the issue of the Japanese internment camps. Don't really have any interest in finishing the series after that.
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I've really just started and while his Addendum stuff is wearing on me, I enjoyed the 20 minutes I've heard because I guess I find Carlin entertaining, but that's just it. He is not in the same category as Revolutions or Inward Empire or Fall of Civilizations. Amateur or not, those guys are historians and are doing a real job of it. Carlin is a pop historian and his stories can be entertaining and he does have a decent radio voice/style. I have come to the conclusion that he's hardly worth taking very seriously. His insight can be interesting, but I just think he knows how to tell a good story.
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100YrsofAttitude posted:I've really just started and while his Addendum stuff is wearing on me, I enjoyed the 20 minutes I've heard because I guess I find Carlin entertaining, but that's just it. He is not in the same category as Revolutions or Inward Empire or Fall of Civilizations. Amateur or not, those guys are historians and are doing a real job of it. Carlin is a pop historian and his stories can be entertaining and he does have a decent radio voice/style. I have come to the conclusion that he's hardly worth taking very seriously. His insight can be interesting, but I just think he knows how to tell a good story. Yes, he tells a good story. I don't expect anything more of him, really. It does keep me coming back though
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The first episode of Supernova in the East was probably my favorite because it got me to understand why Japan declared on China and then the US. It provided a lot of context that I lacked and explained how a nation can get itself into a situation where the brakes don’t work and everyone is going down a path nobody has the stomach to swerve out of. The destroyer of worlds episode was pretty neat when discussing the advent of nukes and the immediate problem with trying to ensure you maintain that monopoly on power. I’ll admit I am not super well read on Carlin’s sources and I didn’t catch the both-sidesing of things (unless this is from the new episode which I haven’t listened to it.) I feel like you could do a lot worse than Carlin but he absolutely shouldn’t be the lone source of this stuff and should only be used as a springboard into other podcasts (CHP for instance when talking about Nanjing)
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buglord posted:The first episode of Supernova in the East was probably my favorite because it got me to understand why Japan declared on China and then the US. It provided a lot of context that I lacked and explained how a nation can get itself into a situation where the brakes don’t work and everyone is going down a path nobody has the stomach to swerve out of. yeah reading the history of japan and the politics and decisions leading up to invasions of china/SEAsia and then starting a fight with the US is fascinating. its very W Bush like and it ends up being the fascist equivalent imperial adventure of robbing peter to pay paul and so they end up in a bunch of sunk cost horror shows that they won't and "can't" withdraw from. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Jun 9, 2021 |
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buglord posted:I’ll admit I am not super well read on Carlin’s sources and I didn’t catch the both-sidesing of things (unless this is from the new episode which I haven’t listened to it.) His (paraphrased) stance was basically that it's easy to look back on Japanese internment as morally reprehensible, but doing so ignores the unfathomable sense of fear and paranoia among Americans after Pearl Harbor, so can we *really* so cleanly say the people who carried out and supported internment were bad? Besides the answer being ABSO-loving-LUTELY he manages to undermine his own mealy-mouthed bullshit by making an offhand comment of "Now you could ask why we didn't also intern German-Americans and Italian-Americans", a thought if explored even a little bit reveals that the truth is that climate of fear was exploited by those in power to pursue racist policy that ultimately benefited a lot of rich white people. But instead of exploring it he just drops it immediate and goes back to his "maybe the truth is in the middle" garbage. I'm generally able to just roll my eyes at Carlin's politics and move on, but it was such an ignorant and reprehensible take I haven't been able to pick up HH since.
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Sydin posted:Besides the answer being ABSO-loving-LUTELY he manages to undermine his own mealy-mouthed bullshit by making an offhand comment of "Now you could ask why we didn't also intern German-Americans and Italian-Americans", a thought if explored even a little bit reveals that the truth is that climate of fear was exploited by those in power to pursue racist policy that ultimately benefited a lot of rich white people There's even a corollary to that just from a few weeks ago in Canada, where Trudeau apologized for the country having "interned Italian-Canadians" during WWII. In context, Canada interned a few hundred Italians, who were all either Italian government and military officials or active fascist supporters, and the push for an apology to "the Italian-Canadian community" came from far-right groups trying to get fascists rehabilitated.
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