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Caesar Saladin posted:yeah they should definitely stop creating action rpgs with some of the best crafted levels and art in any game and instead make a mech game nobody cares about I don’t even know where to begin
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Serephina posted:Hard disagree. Mechs can come in any shape and size, from treaded to flying. Mechs also intrinsicly have a few more "non-human" systems to them, including heat/energy for basic movement, often have actual turn-rates instead of instant mouse responsiveness, detailed damage and degragation states instead of just an HP bar, so on so forth. You could be amazing at a pvp mech game while being totally crosseyed and unable to hit poo poo in a traditional fps. Yeah, but for the most part, non human systems are basically a roundabout way of doing a simple functions in an fps . Instead of just using a stick to go left, right, fwd, back, it might serve as combo throttle/turret or whatever. You are still using the stick to go up down left right. It's just a more convoluted way of doing the same thing. Which isn't necessarily bad. it's all there for immersion, and done well it can be cool. Imo It is probably why mech games aren't very popular though. Personally I'd rather have the mech control like a normal game with a bunch of cool audio visual stuff to sell it.
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Jun 10, 2021 04:18
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And now I'm reminded of how awful the controls in Armored Core 2 on PS2 were. You walked back and forth and turned with the left stick and strafed and looked up and down with the right. I have no idea why anyone at FROM figured this was a good idea considering plenty of other games had set the standard by the time it was published.
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Jun 10, 2021 04:51
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There was a Mech game on the DS where the gimmick was the robot was on top and all the controls on the touch screen. The gimmick was each mech had different controls and they got wild. The mech that looks like a train? You gotta throw coal into the furnace to keep it powered up and manage its heat levels and all the other controls and lever based actuators.
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Jun 10, 2021 05:10
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Custom Robo is the best robot. It also totally had the best dialog noises. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYSPb544Rdc&t=1791s
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Jun 10, 2021 05:28
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Quote-Unquote posted:Square enix are the worst publisher. I wish they let go of those IP's so something good can come of them. It feels as if they grudgingly use their western games to funnel cash towards their trash movies/manga/merch. Or covering the costs of shitshows like FF14-1 and FF13 Versus.
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Jun 10, 2021 05:29
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Quote-Unquote posted:I'm sure anime games can be not poo poo but square enix only produces the poo poo variety. square enix definitely produces some good anime games but they tend to be domestic and low profile. kingdom hearts? poo poo anime game. scarlet grace?  mechanics rabbit hole anime game
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Jun 10, 2021 05:59
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Cabbages and Kings posted:the combat in Reckoning: Kingdoms of Amalur was fun Kingdom of Amalur was a lot better than it got credit for. Combat was fun and the world was pretty. I enjoyed it a whole bunch and should probably grab the remaster sometime. It just had, y'know, way, way, way too many loving sidequests.  Barudak posted:There was a Mech game on the DS where the gimmick was the robot was on top and all the controls on the touch screen. The gimmick was each mech had different controls and they got wild. The mech that looks like a train? You gotta throw coal into the furnace to keep it powered up and manage its heat levels and all the other controls and lever based actuators. That sounds amazing. Any idea what game that was?
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Jun 10, 2021 06:06
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I bought Cyberpunk shortly after release. I enjoyed it. It'll be cool if they fix and improve it. I won't be bothered if they don't. It's not a super awesome game, but I've spent more of worse. And keeping me occupied for like 20 hours is fine for a videogame in my opinion.
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Jun 10, 2021 06:44
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Barudak posted:There was a Mech game on the DS where the gimmick was the robot was on top and all the controls on the touch screen. The gimmick was each mech had different controls and they got wild. The mech that looks like a train? You gotta throw coal into the furnace to keep it powered up and manage its heat levels and all the other controls and lever based actuators. Gonna need a name for this one.
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Jun 10, 2021 06:52
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Mech assault: phantom war? Seems similar to the description after a quick google.
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Its not Mech Assault, it was afaik a Japanese only title and the controls were absolutely wild on the bottom screen. Of course my vague memories make this fuckin ungoogleable. Found it: Super Control Mecha MG Barudak fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Jun 10, 2021 |
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Jun 10, 2021 08:04
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I think the game you're all after is called "Shogo: mobile armor division"
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Jun 10, 2021 08:55
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Quote-Unquote posted:Square enix are the worst publisher. Deus ex, thief, and sleeping dogs are trash and its good that they're dead
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Jun 10, 2021 08:57
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!Klams posted:I think the game you're all after is called "Shogo: mobile armor division" Only the finest FPS game about your girlfriend dying so you immediately move onto dating her sister
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Jun 10, 2021 09:11
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Quote-Unquote posted:Square enix are the worst publisher. Even if they reboot them they would never have the same style and design as the old games. Except sleeping dogs, ive got nothing against it but its not the same level
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Jun 10, 2021 09:46
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jokes posted:I don’t even know where to begin Never stop appealing to the lowest common denominator!
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JollyBoyJohn posted:Even if they reboot them they would never have the same style and design as the old games. Why would they need to reboot them? 
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Jun 10, 2021 10:59
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itry posted:Why would they need to reboot them? Because they are old
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Even if it was a good reason (it isn't), DE:MD is from 2016. Sleeping Dogs is from 2012. The latest Thief was a bad reboot so I guess that doesn't matter.
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Jun 10, 2021 11:18
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itry posted:Even if it was a good reason (it isn't), DE:MD is from 2016. Sleeping Dogs is from 2012. The latest Thief was a bad reboot so I guess that doesn't matter. Oh sorry I thought you mean original Deus Ex. Yeah Sleeping Dogs ain't that old but I posted earlier that I don't think it belongs in the same bracket as Thief or Deus Ex (2000), games which are now approaching 25 years old and feel seriously out of date
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Jun 10, 2021 11:23
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leave thief alone, 1 and 2 are still good to play and don't need a lovely reboot. Thief 4 was so bad.
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Jun 10, 2021 11:31
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JollyBoyJohn posted:Oh sorry I thought you mean original Deus Ex. Yeah Sleeping Dogs ain't that old but I posted earlier that I don't think it belongs in the same bracket as Thief or Deus Ex (2000), games which are now approaching 25 years old and feel seriously out of date Nah, I was thinking the latest DE's. I rather like what Eidos-Montréal was trying to do and I'd like to see more from them. Without dumb microtransactions and tacked on Breach nonsense this time.
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Caesar Saladin posted:leave thief alone, 1 and 2 are still good to play and don't need a lovely reboot. Thief 4 was so bad. I'd just like them to feel a bit more modern
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Quote-Unquote posted:Square enix are the worst publisher. the western stuff they produced ended up mostly being garbage or mediocre, even the passable stuff like the new tombraiders or deus ex were hamhanded retreads of games that were more interesting 10-20 years prior. I'm sure they helped guide those games in that direction but I doubt the unsoiled products were going to be that remarkable. The only exception I'd grant would be hitman 2016. lurker2006 fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Jun 10, 2021 |
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Jun 10, 2021 11:35
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They rebooted Thief, it was called Dishonored. They rebooted Deus Ex, it was called Deus Ex: Something Something. They rebooted Sleeping Dogs, it was called "play GTA V and then some Batman".
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veni veni veni posted:The problem with mech games to me is that a mech has basically the form factor of a human, so the end of the day a mech game usually just an FPS or a TPS. But then how do you make it feel like a mech? Well, you can make the controls all complex and turn standard, perfectly good shooter control schemes into a bloated mess, so it will feel more like a "simulator". That just makes everything feel clunky, you can make everything slow and lumbering, which is not as fun as just having snappy controls...or you can ignore all that poo poo and then it's barely a mech game anymore. This post made me recall Shogo: Mobile Armor Division, an FPS/mech game hybrid from the 90s that I got in a budget jewel case sometime in the 2000s. I haven't played it in years, but my recollection of it is that it is way more original and fun than most of the other shooters I played back in the day. It focused on the single player, while offering much more variety than a traditional FPS, when even as far back as the early 2000s I thought that FPSs were getting stale.
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Is Terra Nova: Strike Force Centauri a mech game? If so, it's a good mech game! Really good.
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!Klams posted:I think the game you're all after is called "Shogo: mobile armor division" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqHcKjzjJpk
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Monos Bullet posted:Gamers? More like GAYmers! Some of them anyways.
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Shogo is what happens when you say "I want to make an anime" and the only way you know how to draw is the same horrific engine that created Blood 2
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Barudak posted:Shogo is what happens when you say "I want to make an anime" and the only way you know how to draw is the same horrific engine that created Blood 2 LithTech is the same engine thats used in Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor and FEAR games
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Mech games need to have chunky mechanical monstrosities and not pretty samurais in fancy armor with jetpacks. It doesn't matter though because the genre is deader than dead. I expect it to make a comeback when technology gets to the level that you can have realistic looking real time destructible cities in games.
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yeah i love clunky monstrosities, its like an fps that just controls worse and is less fun to play in every way
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Caesar Saladin posted:yeah i love clunky monstrosities, its like an fps that just controls worse and is less fun to play in every way the witcher 2 is a mech game
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Jun 10, 2021 14:08
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Caesar Saladin posted:yeah i love clunky monstrosities, its like an fps that just controls worse and is less fun to play in every way Hell yeah, and if they can have some kind of Steel Battalion style controller to make it even harder to control even better.
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Jun 10, 2021 14:37
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Old Monolith was awesome
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Nice Van My Man posted:Hell yeah, and if they can have some kind of Steel Battalion style controller to make it even harder to control even better. Unironically this. Give me full immersion.
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Jun 10, 2021 15:09
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is steel battalion even a good game? people only talk about the controller gimmick. I bet it sucks.
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Shogo still holds up but is sadly very crash happy on modern machines. Kinda weird since it runs on the same exact engine as Blood 2 which is perfectly fine. Anyway, Mass Effect 3 is a mech game.
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