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I don’t disagree that Australia faces an uphill battle in vaccination. I just want us to be honest that innocent people will die and that the vast majority of those deaths could be prevented in a righteous society.
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Alberta just lifted the 2nd shot delay this evening, so I'm booked for my second shot this Sunday. Anyone here done the Astrazeneca / Pfizer mix yet, any symptoms apart from severe magnetism and rampant zombieism?
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Jun 11, 2021 04:05
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Platystemon posted:I don’t disagree that Australia faces an uphill battle in vaccination. Gladys and the tourism industry have both said that people will die when we to open up and that we just have to accept that. I think that's a real sticking point for the electorate, as it should be.
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Jun 11, 2021 04:49
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Fuller9x posted:Alberta just lifted the 2nd shot delay this evening, so I'm booked for my second shot this Sunday. Anyone here done the Astrazeneca / Pfizer mix yet, any symptoms apart from severe magnetism and rampant zombieism? Heck yeah, I'm getting mine Monday! I requested Pfizer for round 2 as well. If no one else in the thread has done it yet, I guess we'll be the ones reporting in.
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Jun 11, 2021 05:09
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Fuller9x posted:Alberta just lifted the 2nd shot delay this evening, so I'm booked for my second shot this Sunday. Anyone here done the Astrazeneca / Pfizer mix yet, any symptoms apart from severe magnetism and rampant zombieism? I had a co-worker get that same mix - mild to avg side effects on 1st, only slightly sore arm second.
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Jun 11, 2021 05:36
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freebooter posted:Which brings us full circle, i.e. this is the reason border restrictions aren't going away any time soon irrespective of Australia's internal vaccination target. Yeah, this is the way I see things going for the UK. More than half the adult population is now fully vaccinated (and it's the older and more vulnerable half), with three quarters having had at least 1 shot and we'll have the entire country covered by August or so. Sure, cases are rising right now but with the pool of susceptible people shrinking with each day that passes, there's only so far cases can rise before they hit a wall. So here in the UK, we're very close to being able to copy Israel and basically end all internal restrictions. What we're NOT going to be able to end (I suspect for years to come) are the severe restrictions that we have on international travel. With most of the world unvaccinated, we're not going to want tourists coming home with nasty new variants and that means it's likely to be years before the easy pre-Covid international flying returns.
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Jun 11, 2021 11:02
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Pistol_Pete posted:Yeah, this is the way I see things going for the UK. More than half the adult population is now fully vaccinated (and it's the older and more vulnerable half), with three quarters having had at least 1 shot and we'll have the entire country covered by August or so. Sure, cases are rising right now but with the pool of susceptible people shrinking with each day that passes, there's only so far cases can rise before they hit a wall. Yep, the rate of vaccination in the UK is continuing a nice steady pace. The US' rate started dropping off in April and you can see that line sloooowly flattening out, which isn't a great sign. Also you can spot the exact date that the latest lockdown started in Australia and everyone in Victoria suddenly went "Oh poo poo, gotta get my jab"  https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
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Jun 11, 2021 11:10
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Pistol_Pete posted:So here in the UK, we're very close to being able to copy Israel and basically end all internal restrictions. What we're NOT going to be able to end (I suspect for years to come) are the severe restrictions that we have on international travel. With most of the world unvaccinated, we're not going to want tourists coming home with nasty new variants and that means it's likely to be years before the easy pre-Covid international flying returns. It seems like "Generation EasyJet" is now dead, at least for couple of years. God knows when it will be possible to hop on a plane for 30 quid to Barcelona, stay in a sweaty hostel dorm full of Australians. The traffic light system is deliberately built in a way to discourage people without spare cash to buy their way out. If you're remote working and can fork out extra two or three hundie for PCR tests both ways, you can still have a vacation in Portugal (or any country allowing plague island residents). It'll be, once again, broke millenials and zoomers cannot buy their way out. You'll have an underwhelming fish and chips for £17 in Margate and like it  You'd think that Murica would be eager to open the London - USA travel back but seems unlikely. Maybe it'll change after G7 or 4th of July.
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Jun 11, 2021 11:34
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Pistol_Pete posted:Yeah, this is the way I see things going for the UK. More than half the adult population is now fully vaccinated (and it's the older and more vulnerable half), with three quarters having had at least 1 shot and we'll have the entire country covered by August or so. Sure, cases are rising right now but with the pool of susceptible people shrinking with each day that passes, there's only so far cases can rise before they hit a wall. Your post all makes sense except "we'll have everyone covered by august or so" - my partner is not super young and still won't get a second shot till mid august. I would expect most under 35s not to be fully vaccinated for another month or two at least after that. I got lucky and got my first shot with the 40+ year olds, i guess by mistake, and still won't be two weeks out from my second shot till mid august. I don't know but I also imagine lower uptake generally once you're into the "dumbass ages". We live in an area of london that is way behind the country in vaccination simply by virtue of being demographically young so these distinctions are going to matter for us in the months to come.
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I've also been looking at the numbers today and comparing the latest UK figures with those at the start of May. Compared to 01 May, daily new cases are up nearly 250% (yikes!) However, The total number of people in hospital with Covid has dropped by 23% compared to 01 May and average daily deaths are down by nearly 33%, from 10 to 7. The surge in new cases is not (so far) resulting in a surge in hospitalisations and deaths. That may change in the coming weeks of course but I'm still cautiously optimistic that this new surge will be largely milder and less damaging cases.
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Jun 11, 2021 12:35
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Platystemon posted:MEANWHILE, in Miami: Libertarians were a mistake.
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Pistol_Pete posted:I've also been looking at the numbers today and comparing the latest UK figures with those at the start of May. I definitely hope you're right, but it'd still be nice to limit how many cases we get, just to limit breakthrough infections, other health effects, and potential for further mutations That may be worth putting off full reopening for a couple of weeks, but having said that I was p much full goon pre-Covid, so others who have been impacted more by lockdown may feel differently
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Jun 11, 2021 12:41
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freebooter posted:Which brings us full circle, i.e. this is the reason border restrictions aren't going away any time soon irrespective of Australia's internal vaccination target. I don't think there's enough people who can't get vaccinated to justify shutting the borders, those people will already be at risk of common stuff like the flu and presumably already take precautions to prevent that. The ones who won't get vaccinated (but could if they wanted) aren't worth protecting, those fuckers can take their chances with covid. At least with most of the population immune the virus will spread much slower so it's unlikely we'll ever end up with the health system collapsing under thousands of anti vaxxers dying en masse.
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I got my first pfizer dose yesterday afternoon (Ireland) and had no side effects at all for hours, not even a sore patch on my arm. Now it's the following afternoon and my arm hurts a bit - like someone punched it with a knuckle, and I have a little pressure headache. Nothing worth complaining about, I'm just kind of glad to have some signs it's working  Vaccine take up here is apparently really really good - 98% in the over 65s, who are mostly either partially or fully vaccinated already. All age groups have been polled, and the lowest is in the 18-25, who are apparently 90%+ planning to get vaccinated, with only 3% saying they definitely won't.
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Jun 11, 2021 13:38
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Ichabod Sexbeast posted:I definitely hope you're right, but it'd still be nice to limit how many cases we get, just to limit breakthrough infections, other health effects, and potential for further mutations Oh yeah, I quite agree. On the subject of delaying a full reopening I'm agnostic, although ultimately I don't see any harm in giving it another few weeks so we can really get ahead with the vaccine programme.
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Jun 11, 2021 14:06
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MarcusSA posted:Who? Children under 12
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Pistol_Pete posted:Oh yeah, I quite agree. Same here, I'm quite social and extroverted and lockdown pretty much took away all my coping mechanisms but if it means that more people could be saved and infections can be reduced I'm okay with delaying openerup. It's a massive hassle anyway to play booking bingo or gamble with walk-ins to pay 6 quid for a lager or 25 for an underwhelming burger. Not firectly related to Covid but auto adding service fee to a fuckin pint can gently caress right off 
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Jun 11, 2021 14:34
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We left Europe to get rid of the tipping culture ffs
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I would tip pretty much all the time but auto-service charge then asking for a tip on the five million apps we have to install for one drink can go back to Murica. Bring back walking to the bar, ordering drinks and carrying it back while splashing foam all over your face. Table service? Where are we? France??? Anyway, let's see what G7 brings up in terms of travel besides mildly annoyed Cornwall locals.
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Galewolf posted:It's a massive hassle anyway to play booking bingo or gamble with walk-ins to pay 6 quid for a lager or 25 for an underwhelming burger. Not firectly related to Covid but auto adding service fee to a fuckin pint can gently caress right off I have to admit, my desire to end all restrictions isn't based on a careful consideration of costs vs benefits, nor is it based on deeply held principles of basic British freedoms. I just want to be able to start going back to the pub without having to deal with all that bullshit.
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Jun 11, 2021 15:59
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Fuller9x posted:Alberta just lifted the 2nd shot delay this evening, so I'm booked for my second shot this Sunday. Anyone here done the Astrazeneca / Pfizer mix yet, any symptoms apart from severe magnetism and rampant zombieism? if you get the ratio just right you can pick up siriusXM when the weather is just so, but it's a crapshoot really
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Charliegrs posted:I think I heard somewhere that vaccinated mother's have passed on antibodies to their newborns? Yes. This is why my pregnant wife got her vaccine in the second trimester. The protection can be passed through placenta and breast milk. So not getting the vaccine while pregnant might deny your kid the ability to get protection until/if it is approved for babies.
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Babies can already have the vaccine when they're 18. Hmmm actually I think maybe 12 in America?
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I just learned that I got my first Pfizer dose few hours before our current prime minister did. She is also 30-something and also was made to wait, or decided waited until the national age bracket 30-39 opened two weeks ago. Its wild to think that our socialistic hellscape with free public healthcare does not grant exceptions. Apparently, at all.
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Jun 11, 2021 17:16
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Your country sounds quite novel compared to the reality around the world.
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Nam Taf posted:Your country sounds quite novel compared to the reality around the world. Canada's leaders have made a show out of getting their vaccines with their proper age cohort. I'm torn between not believing them, and not believing they could cover up getting their shots early without someone leaking it.
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Jun 11, 2021 17:33
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The royals and Boris and everyone were getting theirs when they were supposed to as if they were mere mortals. Or they lied.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:The royals and Boris and everyone were getting theirs when they were supposed to as if they were mere mortals. Or they lied. yeah, but the needle was made of solid gold
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Sorry UK friends https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1403417003088662531?s=21
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The tories will pay for this! later... the tories did not pay for this.
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smoobles posted:You guys been following the news about the Ligma variant? What's that Ligma variant, I haven't heard of it? Never leave a goon hanging 
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Galewolf posted:What's that Ligma variant, I haven't heard of it? sugma balls
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smoobles posted:sugma balls Bamboozled once again 
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Yeah, they've been floating this in friendly newpapers for a couple of weeks. The public hasn't revolted, so I guess they're going for it. Annoying, but not the end of the world.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Yeah, they've been floating this in friendly newpapers for a couple of weeks. The public hasn't revolted, so I guess they're going for it. Annoying, but not the end of the world. Yeah, the moment the news about "Experts warn the Delta variant might affect the full opening schedule" I knew it was going to be delayed. Not too bothered about it, current level of Freedom (tm) is good enough. The venues heavily advertised and pre-sold tickets for opening parties are hosed tho but at this point having a warehouse rave scheduled based on government pinky swears is risky at best.
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Bus replacements on the train line today, so it's going to take around 2 hours each way to get my 5G. Still worth it. Excited and relieved, and a bit sad.
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Pistol_Pete posted:I have to admit, my desire to end all restrictions isn't based on a careful consideration of costs vs benefits, nor is it based on deeply held principles of basic British freedoms. Isn't going to the pub without restriction pretty much the deeply held principle of basic British freedom, though?
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UK Goons - especially those in the cities - with time on their hands and the ability/inclination to stand around for 4-6 hours pointing at chairs, the Royal Voluntary Service have re-opened registration for vaccination steward roles. It's by no means hard work, and pretty rewarding. Most of all though there's new mass centres needing stewards opening up all over the place, and the previously highly-desirable locations are now getting a bit desperate so the shifts don't disappear immediately - there are currently multiple slots available at the Science Museum and Wembley, the highest-profile ones (Excel is unfortunately locked up tight by those bastards from Barts), and shifts are also available at the London Stadium, the Valley, Stone X Park and Plough Lane if you want to do a bit of ground hopping.
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