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Okay, that makes sense, I didn't realize that's what it was supposed to be. I don't necessarily agree with it though, I fully recognize there's a difference between getting disappeared by the NKVD for criticizing Beria and getting disappeared by Amazon death squads for making fun of Bezos for being bald.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Okay, that makes sense, I didn't realize that's what it was supposed to be. I don't necessarily agree with it though, I fully recognize there's a difference between getting disappeared by the NKVD for criticizing Beria and getting disappeared by Amazon death squads for making fun of Bezos for being bald. Amazon using death squads isn’t somehow “right libertarianism” just because a corporation is doing it
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i'd like to think that even the CIA isn't incompetent enough to have a guy paid to say this on reddit
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anyway the real anarchist thread is the workplace organizing thread because lmao at debating theory with people talking about lenin or whatever
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kingcobweb posted:i'd like to think that even the CIA isn't incompetent enough to have a guy paid to say this on reddit I’ve had anarchists tell me things like this irl. they’re very stupid mostly
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kingcobweb posted:anyway the real anarchist thread is the workplace organizing thread because lmao at debating theory with people talking about lenin or whatever I bet the people who burnt down the Minneapolis PD haven’t even read state and revolution
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ted hitler hunter posted:You start out in 1947 by saying, “socialist, socialist, socialist.” By 2016 you can’t say “socialist”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, authoritarianism, human rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about opposing sending tanks into Hungary to crush resistance to Soviet communism in 1968, and all these things you’re talking about are totally theoretical things and a byproduct of them is, socialists get hurt worse than other leftists.… “We oppose tankies this,” is much more abstract than even the human rights thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “socialist, socialist.”
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:I bet the people who burnt down the Minneapolis PD haven’t even read state and revolution yeah they were definitely anarchists and not simply pissed off liberals (but I repeat myself)
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your turtle will have a factory job along with the requisite training and an adequately furnished apartment. the state only expects of him to achieve the necessary familial quota to meet generational labor requirements and will be otherwise free to live his life as he chooses
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indigi posted:yeah they were definitely anarchists and not simply pissed off liberals (but I repeat myself) Yeah you showed them!
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indigi posted:Amazon using death squads isn’t somehow “right libertarianism” just because a corporation is doing it Sorry I forgot that CSPAM is a no-joke area, I should have remembered that before I made a joke about an-caps.
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kingcobweb posted:i'd like to think that even the CIA isn't incompetent enough to have a guy paid to say this on reddit See, now your opinion of CIA competence has improved ever-so-slightly. The propaganda works.
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indigi posted:yeah they were definitely anarchists and not simply pissed off liberals (but I repeat myself) even if we were to generously assume that all the people doing a Cool Zone or a CHAZ or w/e were committed anarchists, that only really highlights just how useless anarchism really is outside of holding up an agreeable liberal humanist philosophy (which is also pretty useless but at least sounds nice).
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sorry but simply making demands of the bourgeoisie state, even with violent and destructive backing, is not revolutionary
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Sorry I forgot that CSPAM is a no-joke area, I should have remembered that before I made a joke about an-caps. make a better joke idk what to tell you
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there is no joke so obvious that someone won't take it seriously. see: a state that isn't run by predators.
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hey, if i thought i had an answer id actually be trying to do something with my life rather than shitposting and drinking.
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KomradeX posted:The greatest joke of all is anarchists I don't know there was that one guy that thought units of measurement were inherently imperialistic.
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christmas boots posted:I don't know there was that one guy that thought units of measurement were inherently imperialistic. LMAO thank you for reminding me of this https://twitter.com/deathpigeon/status/1175907341339742209
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HashtagGirlboss posted:LMAO thank you for reminding me of this that tweet makes my head hurt, im going to take an unmeasured amount of aspirin. (USER WAS PERMABANNED FOR THIS POST)
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indigi posted:anarchism lmao
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if you say “all cops are bastards” and actually believe it, rather than thinking it’s hyperbole or just a fun catchphrase, you’ve incorporated anarchism into your ideology if you think all cops are bastards but once a state says it’s communist then cops are good actually, that’s loving stupid
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police are merely a tool of class oppression, and like the state itself they have no inherent peculiarity that makes them "bad". a "community defense squad" or w/e that enforces and protects against the bourgeois, even if they were to wear a badge and carry a gun, is still abolitionist in nature. replacing every cop with an unarmed social worker and investing in the welfare state is not.
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:police are merely a tool of class oppression, and like the state itself they have no inherent peculiarity that makes them "bad". a "community defense squad" or w/e that enforces and protects against the bourgeois, even if they were to wear a badge and carry a gun, is still abolitionist in nature. replacing every cop with an unarmed social worker and investing in the welfare state is not. lmao
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:police are merely a tool of class oppression, and like the state itself they have no inherent peculiarity that makes them "bad". a "community defense squad" or w/e that enforces and protects against the bourgeois, even if they were to wear a badge and carry a gun, is still abolitionist in nature. replacing every cop with an unarmed social worker and investing in the welfare state is not. these people actually believe there's nobody in Rojava or Chiapas with any law/people's will enforcement function
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cops are a particular form of state technology that only developed a couple centuries back. class society was a dictatorship of one class over another before penitentiaries and police officers were normalized and will remain one even if, specifically, uniformed policemen and punishment cages are phased out, until and unless classes themselves dissolve
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indigi posted:people's will enforcement lol, okay, you made your point ill let you make the jokes now not saying youre wrong about that, just the idea of what is being enforced staying the peoples will for any extended period of time 22 Eargesplitten has issued a correction as of 21:56 on Jun 14, 2021 |
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indigi posted:these people actually believe there's nobody in Rojava or Chiapas with any law/people's will enforcement function i think its ultimately just a matter of aesthetics to them, once again proving the op correct. in a DotB, the capitalists already get to enjoy what people mean when they talk of abolition. they are protected, they are served. even when they do cross "the law" they get all the sympathy, chances, treatment, etc that one would hope for from a compassionate society that looks after one another. as fun as it would be to join a mob and beat the poo poo out of someone for landlordism or corruption, something more disciplined and accountable would be preferable.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:lol, okay, you made your point ill let you make the jokes now and you think in an anarchist society, what? there will never been a need for law enforcement? F Stop Fitzgerald posted:as fun as it would be to join a mob and beat the poo poo out of someone for landlordism or corruption, something more disciplined and accountable would be preferable. why not both tbh
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22 Eargesplitten posted:lol, okay, you made your point ill let you make the jokes now the idea that what is being enforced now is not the people's will (but rather the machinations of an evil bureaucracy that has somehow tricked everyone into playing along with its dictates) is a comforting story people tell themselves because the alternative is scarier and harder to deal with
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indigi posted:and you think in an anarchist society, what? there will never been a need for law enforcement? 22 Eargesplitten posted:hey, if i thought i had an answer id actually be trying to do something with my life rather than shitposting and drinking. i believe better things are possible, i just dont know how.
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