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I don't understand the hysteria and why people are having a fit of the vapours over June 21st not happening. The government's covid roadmap had said all along that they will only proceed to the next date "at the earliest" as long as we meet the four criteria. Given that Boris has hosed up yet again by letting the Indian variant in and circulate for weeks before deciding it was best to stop flights from India and giving everyone a few days notice that India was going into the red list so there was a mad scramble to get every available flight back to the UK and only after the trade talks with India, it's not surprising we're now failing the fourth test in his very own roadmap and potentially at the start of another wave.
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What are people supposed to do with all the freedom day snacks they bought
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gently caress at least he's recognised there's a problem, even if he'll literally never take responsibility or face any consequences It's like a mouse finally learning that every time it pushes that button it gets a shock and stopping after testing it 100'000 times, except instead of a shock it murders pensioners
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Plague ships are back baby but this time they won’t be quitting! quote:
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Fallom posted:What are people supposed to do with all the freedom day snacks they bought They can save them for Summer Days. And snack on Summer Days nuts! GOTTEM!
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Got my second shot Wednesday afternoon and by noon on Thursday I thought I was out of the woods on feeling bad. Nope, at about the 24 hour mark after shot the weirdest loving illness symptoms set in. Fever, chills, body aches, but they felt oddly toothless. The headache was probably the most real feeling, honestly. It could be because I knew I wasn't really sick, but they felt like a very superficial thing I could mostly ignore. The fever dreams when trying to sleep sucked rear end, though.
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edgeman83 posted:Got my second shot Wednesday afternoon and by noon on Thursday I thought I was out of the woods on feeling bad. Nope, at about the 24 hour mark after shot the weirdest loving illness symptoms set in. Fever, chills, body aches, but they felt oddly toothless. The headache was probably the most real feeling, honestly. Yeah, mine hit me almost exactly at 28 hours after the shot. Started feeling kind of vaguely feverish and about two hours later it felt like I'd been drugged with sleeping pills. Next morning everything was normal.
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society forcing covid as a normalcy is so poo poo. I got so distracted that even I forgot a mask in the parking lot of a tractor supply today because I've gone from 2 hospice dogs to 1 hospice dog as of early this morning, but I ran back for the dang mask.
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MarcusSA posted:Plague ships are back baby but this time they won’t be quitting! Two passengers sharing a room on a Caribbean cruise ship tested positive this week for Covid-19, triggering safety precautions that enabled some 600 other passengers to continue eating and gambling on the ship. Cruise lines are preparing to resume sailings starting later this month in the U.S.—their main market—breaking more than a year of hiatus in the country. They hope to show they have protocols in place to handle Covid cases and allow the cruise to continue, in contrast to some high-profile outbreaks that occurred last year. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention requires cruise companies to strike agreements with ports, so as to not burden local authorities in the event of a positive Covid-19 case, but doesn’t require the cruise to be halted unless there is a major outbreak. The positive cases on the Celebrity Millennium ship, operated by Royal Caribbean Group, RCL -0.60% were detected after nearly all passengers showed proof of vaccination and a negative Covid-19 test within 72 hours before embarking from the island of St. Maarten last week. The few people who didn’t show proof of vaccination were children. The passengers who tested positive are asymptomatic and are in isolation, the cruise line said. The seven-day cruise, which is operating at 30% capacity, is the company’s first North America sailing since onboard coronavirus cases brought sailings to a halt last year. The cases demonstrate that going on a cruise during a pandemic—even with vaccinated passengers and crew—still has its risks, which cruise executives have acknowledged. At the same time, cruise lines have said the detection of positive cases onboard indicates that their health and safety protocols are working. SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS Would you feel comfortable going on a cruise right now? Join the conversation below. All passengers took a rapid antigen test on the ship, and when the two tests came back positive, the cruise line retested the two people and their close contacts with a polymerase chain reaction test, according to Royal Caribbean spokesman Jonathon Fishman. He said the two passengers’ close contacts all tested negative, and that the detection of the cases doesn’t affect the company’s future sailings. Passengers resumed their cruise as planned, according to the company and passengers. John Roberts, a travel writer, said passengers around him have generally reacted calmly since the captain announced the positive cases. “The casinos are full, the lounges had people in them enjoying drinks at the bar after dinner, the dinner venues had people eating in them,” Mr. Roberts said in an interview. “People were carrying on with the cruise as usual.” Vaccinated people can still spread the coronavirus, though the risk of transmission is lower due to their potentially lower viral load, said Marcus Pereira, an infectious-disease specialist at Columbia University Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons. “It suggests, at least, that the amount of virus circulating in their bodies is low enough not to create severe symptoms,” Dr. Pereira said of the two passengers who tested positive. The CDC still considers the risk of traveling on a cruise ship “very high.” It said the virus appears to spread more easily among people in close quarters on ships. But the agency has approved several ships to resume with new policies or recommendations in place such as passenger testing and capacity limits. The reaction to the positive Covid-19 cases stands in contrast with voyages early in the pandemic, which included an outbreak aboard Carnival Corp.’s Diamond Princess in Japan in February 2020, when more than 700 of the passengers and crew tested positive for the virus and several people died. In the weeks that followed, passengers and crew members on Covid-stricken ships were stuck onboard as operators scrambled to find a port that would let them disembark. In December 2020, a false-positive test brought Royal Caribbean’s Quantum of the Seas “cruise-to-nowhere” voyage in Singapore to an early stop. Cruise operators have gone at length to win back the public’s trust. Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings Ltd. ’s flagship line has pledged to cover necessary Covid-related treatments, land-based quarantine and flights home in the event a passenger tests positive while on board. Mr. Fishman said Royal Caribbean is paying for the two Celebrity Millennium passengers’ chartered flights back home to the U.S. The U.S. cruising restart follows a framework that the CDC has been imposing on operators since October 2020. To be able to sail, cruise operators either have to conduct test sailings or attest that 98% of crew members and 95% of passengers are fully vaccinated. There have already been signs of tension in the companies’ dealings with local authorities. The state of Florida, a major cruise hub, has barred businesses from requiring patrons to provide documentation certifying Covid-19 vaccination. Royal Caribbean has shifted from requiring vaccinations to recommending them for upcoming Florida cruises, though it is still requiring them for Alaska voyages. Norwegian, which is requiring all passengers and crew members to be fully vaccinated before boarding a ship, can simply move the ships if needed and operate elsewhere, Chief Executive Frank Del Rio said on a recent conference call. The Celebrity Millennium is scheduled to start a new seven-day voyage in the Caribbean departing from St. Maarten on June 12. this is for me more than anyone else. please loving post articles wholesale tia my thoughts are, that its cool that they have rapid antigen tests on board. This will be an interesting case study for a few days as more and more people pop positive Sjs00 fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Jun 12, 2021 |
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Sjs00 posted:
I was on my phone and it was being a dick about copying the whole thing. I figured the tagline was lol enough for everyone.
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MarcusSA posted:I was on my phone and it was being a dick about copying the whole thing. I think its awesome. Theres kids on the ship who, by law, aren't even able to be vaccinated, vaccinated individuals, unvaccinated folks. Scientifically you couldn't ask for a better controlled experiment Sjs00 fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Jun 12, 2021 |
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Jun 12, 2021 00:50
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I. Westrrn canada the News last night talking about how nurses in long term care facilities aren't required to get vaccinated if they don't want to. gently caress any nurse who is anti Vax. These long term care facilities are where most of our deaths continue despite vaccine rates. What kind of garbage human wants to work with the elderly and give them covid? Even the most retarded of the anti vaxxers recognize that covid is dangerous for these people. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:society forcing covid as a normalcy is so poo poo. I got so distracted that even I forgot a mask in the parking lot of a tractor supply today because I've gone from 2 hospice dogs to 1 hospice dog as of early this morning, but I ran back for the dang mask. It really sucks, but it's at the point now to where by this fall, if you're vaccinated and still wearing a mask or enforcing a mask policy in your workplace you'll look as insane as the anti-maskers were the same time last year. We had a raging forest fire and they've just sprinkled a bunch of sand over it hoping it'll smolder out and stop spreading just enough to mitigate the damage. 
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i just ate tacos in a crowded restaurant and they were delicious here are the tacos (pork belly, al pastor, lingua)  i also drank this comically large margarita and it was excellent 
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Purgatory Glory posted:I. Westrrn canada the News last night talking about how nurses in long term care facilities aren't required to get vaccinated if they don't want to. gently caress any nurse who is anti Vax. These long term care facilities are where most of our deaths continue despite vaccine rates. What kind of garbage human wants to work with the elderly and give them covid? Even the most retarded of the anti vaxxers recognize that covid is dangerous for these people. Covid vaccination still hasn't been mandated for aged care and disability workers in Australia even though flu vaccination is mandatory.
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Purgatory Glory posted:Even the most retarded of the anti vaxxers recognize that covid is dangerous for these people. Unless they think the whole thing is a hoax....
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gay picnic defence posted:I don't think there's enough people who can't get vaccinated to justify shutting the borders, those people will already be at risk of common stuff like the flu and presumably already take precautions to prevent that. The ones who won't get vaccinated (but could if they wanted) aren't worth protecting, those fuckers can take their chances with covid. At least with most of the population immune the virus will spread much slower so it's unlikely we'll ever end up with the health system collapsing under thousands of anti vaxxers dying en masse. I didn't say "shutting the border," I said border restrictions. It's not going to be a big switch that flips everything back to normal. We're going to see different restrictions based on the country you're returning from, whether or not you're vaccinated, whether you're quarantining in a hotel/facility or your own home, whether you're a business or leisure traveller, etc etc. And that will remain in place for years to come.
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I have still been masking inside in public but otherwise not reading much news about Covid recently in an attempt to break out of the doomposter/doomlurker mindset. (I googled the term and a rap group named Dinosaur Burps released a track called Doomlurker in 2014?? Way ahead of their time) Anyway, one concern that I keep seeing come up in my limited reading is that testing has now ceased and that the virus may be rampaging through vaccinated people. The University of Illinois is still requiring weekly PCR testing for anyone who is on campus over the summer, and the data is publically available at https://go.illinois.edu/COVIDTestingData. While there are a few caveats, like there's no info on how many people have been fully vaccinated (probably much more than the ~50% of the otherwise rural county's population), or how many already had Covid, and it's a small regional sample size, but 2 positive tests out of 12472 in the last 7 days seems like a good sign.
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Sjs00 posted:Two passengers sharing a room on a Caribbean cruise ship tested positive this week for Covid-19, triggering safety precautions that enabled some 600 other passengers to continue eating and gambling on the ship. “gambling"  quote:attest that 98% of crew members and 95% of passengers are fully vaccinated. But under those conditions, going on a cruise is unironically less bad than going out to dinner in the mainland United States.
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Charliegrs posted:Unless they think the whole thing is a hoax.... True, but these fuckheads have had a front row seat to the deaths of the vulnerable. Imagine if covid was super deadly for young children and teachers and day care workers insisted they be free to bring it to work.
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having fun posting posted:Anyway, one concern that I keep seeing come up in my limited reading is that testing has now ceased and that the virus may be rampaging through vaccinated people. The problem with the virus has been that it causes disease/death. If the virus rampages through the whole population but is undetectable because it isn't causing any disease or death among vaccinated people or people who can't be vaccinated or are immunocompromised then it's not really an issue. In fact eventually it's almost inevitable given how the immune system works that the antibodies from vaccination will wane and the virus will start to infect vaccinated people, assuming it's still around at that point. One difference between that time and March 2020 will be that vaccinated people will have immune memory in the form of T cells and B cells. So when the virus infects a few cells the T cells will show up, detect the viral proteins, kill the infected cells, and raise the alarm. (T cells can detect many more parts of the virus' proteins than antibodies so they are a lot harder for variants to escape) Meanwhile memory B cells will get whipped into a frenzy and start making antibodies again so the person will again have protection even from infection. So some of the person's cells may get infected but they shouldn't have severe disease and hopefully won't transmit much in the way of infectious particles. Vaccinated peoples' antibodies may wane at different times so it's possible that there will always be enough people around who can't even be infected that widespread transmission is prevented. That will hopefully protect those folks who either can't be vaccinated or don't produce a robust immune response to the vaccination. It all remains to be seen but it's possible, even likely, that the virus will spread among vaccinated people at some point but it won't be a big deal because it won't cause disease and won't cause significant transmission to the unvaccinated or immunocompromised.
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Creating a coronavirus and norovirus ship to create the coronanovirus soup.
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Interesting thing going on in my home town. Not sure if it was posted in here yet. We had a small Delta variant outbreak at one of our hospitals. 22 people tested positive, and 11 on those were fully vaccinated. Only one person needed to go to ICU so far - they haven't released the vax status of that one yet. https://globalnews.ca/news/7943610/calgary-foothills-hospital-covid-19-delta-outbreak-vaccinations Keep in mind that we're seeing evidence that the current vaccines are slightly less effective against the Delta variant, so some breakthrough cases are expected. Just have to wait my turn for my second dose. They are trying to ramp that up now as single dose numbers have slowed down quite a bit. The premier is also doing what he can to get us to stage 3 of reopening which is removing all restrictions (except for masks I think?), so we can have our Calgary Stampede (summer fair/exhibition/rodeo). They also announced that all rodeo performers are exempt from the travel restrictions. Seems like bad timing to do this, but it'll be a good test of "are we actually getting closer to some semblance of normal, or is this the new normal now?". The plan to reopen was to get 70% of people (over 12 I think?) with at least one dose. Because that may not happen (~68% - almost NICE), they want to move the requirement goal posts to some number of people with 2 doses. I'm not in favour of the Stampede decisions, but not much I can do but make safe choices (mask always) and stay home unless necessary.
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7of7 posted:The problem with the virus has been that it causes disease/death. If the virus rampages through the whole population but is undetectable because it isn't causing any disease or death among vaccinated people or people who can't be vaccinated or are immunocompromised then it's not really an issue. It behooves us to know where and how the virus is spreading even if it’s not sending Millennials and Gen X to the hospital in droves. For one thing, there are people who aren’t protected or aren’t well‐protected by the vaccine, e.g. children, organ transplant recipients, cancer patients, people with autoimmune disorders. For another, diseases that don’t send you to the hospital today can nonetheless have negative health ramifications down the line. I don’t want to overplay the risk of this, but “gently caress around and find out” is not good public health policy.
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Platystemon posted:It behooves us to know where and how the virus is spreading even if it’s not sending Millennials and Gen X to the hospital in droves. For one thing, there are people who aren’t protected or aren’t well‐protected by the vaccine, e.g. children, organ transplant recipients, cancer patients, people with autoimmune disorders. For another, diseases that don’t send you to the hospital today can nonetheless have negative health ramifications down the line. I don’t want to overplay the risk of this, but “gently caress around and find out” is not good public health policy. Yeah, I absolutely agree. We should have very widespread and comprehensive testing for not only SARS-CoV-2 but also flu and even the "common" cold viruses. So many rare diseases may well be caused by seemingly mild viral infections (eg Castlman disease caused sometimes by a herpes virus) and we would learn a whole lot with widespread and frequent testing.
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Another example is the coronavirus family itself. Two common cold coronaviruses, 229E and OC43, had been known since the sixties, but NL63 and HKU1 were only discovered when SARS started loving people up. NL63 and HKU1 are each believed to infect something like five percent of the world population every year, yet it took SARS for us to be sufficiently motivated to find them.
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Platystemon posted:Another example is the coronavirus family itself. We need to get the imaginary people in Plague Inc. to take over our public health response. A few dozen people with the sniffles and they are all over that poo poo.
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Imagine being an epidemiologist in the world of plague Inc where diseases have a sort of group mind that intentionally selects mutations to avoid your response. You'd be terrified of the sniffles too.
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Sheesh double post.
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Purgatory Glory posted:True, but these fuckheads have had a front row seat to the deaths of the vulnerable. Imagine if covid was super deadly for young children and teachers and day care workers insisted they be free to bring it to work. They would change their tune if the the dead lined the streets. Its the luxury of having dealt with the virus well that enables these people to exist at all.
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Finally got my vaccine here in the Netherlands. I skipped the age line a little bit because I cause I got a recommendation by my doctor to get my shot early, which was odd because I didn't request it and I don't have any risk factors. Yeah, I'm a fat goon but I'm not in the MBI range for it to be a risk. Best I can figure is since I got a prescription for a nasal spray for a case of non-Covid sniffles that wouldn't go away about a week before I got the invite and that prompted the letter. Pfizer shot, coming up on 24 hours. Felt fine all day yesterday, woke up this morning a little sore in my arms and legs, sore at injection point. I'm a little fatigued, but nothing stopping me from doing my chores and even a little bit of yard work. When I got home I got the letter informing me that due to my age bracket I could now schedule my vaccine, so the Netherlands is finally getting to people in their 30s and I think the 20s as well.
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First Pfizer shot and the second scheduled for three weeks in Melbourne. I felt a little sleepy this afternoon and nodded off for 45 minutes, but otherwise so far so good. I've been raising my arm and moving it like a lot of you have suggested, so let's see how the next 24 hours and next shot go. I can't believe that I've had it, did anyone else feel that way? It was such a strange moment, a small sensation and then it was done. A few years ago, before covid, the venue hosting the mass vaccination hub would put on massive rowdy beer festivals. They were usually packed, and it was such a good environment to socialise. Seeing it set up as a vaccination hub was like I was living a scene from Contagion. fappenmeister fucked around with this message at 10:42 on Jun 12, 2021 |
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fappenmeister posted:First Pfizer shot and the second scheduled for three weeks in Melbourne. I felt a little sleepy this afternoon and nodded off for 45 minutes, but otherwise so far so good. I've been raising my arm and moving it like a lot of you have suggested Yeah I bet you have  
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Yeah I bet you have Hahahahaha! Caught and bowled!
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fappenmeister posted:A few years ago, before covid, the venue hosting the mass vaccination hub would put on massive rowdy beer festivals. They were usually packed, and it was such a good environment to socialise. Went to the beer festival a month ago at Jeff's Shed and it sucked rear end not having it in the Exhibition Centre, terrible acoustic and aesthetics.
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just went to the store for donuts and even though there's still a mask mandate sign out front nobody was wearing one
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poverty goat posted:just went to the store for donuts and even though there's still a mask mandate sign out front nobody was wearing one I know you're shocked about this but yes, people are disrespectful of other peoples wishes a lot (this has been the norm around here long before the vaccine happened)
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