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I always watch them and there have been several times where the pitch vid makes or breaks whether I back because the vid helps me see what exactly I'm backing better than text and pics can.
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FirstAidKite posted:I always watch them and there have been several times where the pitch vid makes or breaks whether I back because the vid helps me see what exactly I'm backing better than text and pics can. Can I ask what makes a good video to you?
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Jun 11, 2021 03:33
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Frozen Peach posted:Do people actually watch Kickstarter videos? We're working on the one for my upcoming game and I'm super excited about it, but I can't help but wonder how many eyes it's going to have. A rule book and video describing the game play is important to me.
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Jun 11, 2021 03:43
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What I look for in a pitch video: 1. Able to summarize what the game is in a way that is descriptive and helpful, ie not just a bunch of buzzwords but actually saying what the game is. 2. Short description of the kind of gameplay it has (though not a full tutorial, that would be a separate vid), so stuff like how many players, the genre, playtime, stuff like that. 3. Keep it to the point without rambling or going in circles about the subject, preferably keep it below 6 minutes. 4. Include some basic information on who the creators are and what, if any, they've done previously (be it previous successful kickstarters or previous successfully developed games). 5. Good quality audio and video. They don't have to be movie-quality or anything along those lines and video quality doesn't even need to be great, but I at least want to be able to see whatever is going on in the video and I like being able to hear what is being said clearly and without any major white noise or echo or static.
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Jun 11, 2021 03:46
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Ropes4u posted:A rule book and video describing the game play is important to me. Rules are crazy important to me, as a designer. I'll often read the rules before backing something, unless I already know the game having played it or know the designer or something of the sort. FirstAidKite posted:4. Include some basic information on who the creators are and what, if any, they've done previously (be it previous successful kickstarters or previous successfully developed games). This is honestly my biggest worry with the campaign. I'm new. My publisher's new. That makes it a risky back right off the bat.
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Jun 11, 2021 04:03
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Frozen Peach posted:Do people actually watch Kickstarter videos? Nope. I watched the one for Broken Age back in 2012. Other than that, my eyes no longer even acknowledge there's a clickable video there on the page. I also don't watch any other associated videos with the solitary exception of playthroughs. I do like to watch boardgames in play if I'm at all on the fence (or sometimes just because it sounds great and I like watching people play boardgames) and it doesn't seem super common to even have them, but I will also watch actual play of RPGs sometimes. (I usually drop like $10 on a PDF and have little expectation of playing the game, so I'm way less invested in those.) Otherwise, text and pictures please.
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Jun 11, 2021 04:21
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malkav11 posted:Nope. Yeah... I've backed over 125 or so projects and it's been *years* since I watched a project video. Generally go straight to the rules pdf or a playthrough video from a Youtuber I recognize. I don't need to be sold on projects by videos anymore..
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Jun 11, 2021 04:44
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Memnaelar posted:Yeah... I've backed over 125 or so projects and it's been *years* since I watched a project video. Generally go straight to the rules pdf or a playthrough video from a Youtuber I recognize. I don't need to be sold on projects by videos anymore.. Same, I only watch them if someone in this thread says the video has some redeeming quality or it's something I'd want to see in motion. Something like the Elixir Dice Kickstarter. Which is shipping soon, so I'm stoked.
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Jun 11, 2021 05:44
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Memnaelar posted:Yeah... I've backed over 125 or so projects and it's been *years* since I watched a project video. Generally go straight to the rules pdf or a playthrough video from a Youtuber I recognize. I don't need to be sold on projects by videos anymore..  If the splash graphics and/or rules don't grab me, I'm not going to be bothered by a video. I'd only watch the video if I'm already invested, or I just need that last little bit to tide me over on my decision.
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Yeah, I don't think I've ever watched a Kickstarter video except when trying to work out how to do my own. For RPGs though, an AP stream or podcast playing the game is often a selling point. E: Although that said, I just checked the stats on the two KSes I've done with videos and they both got a lot of video plays. Most people didn't watch the whole thing though, and those were ~3 minutes long but very low-effort. Maybe if I'd put some work in I'd have got more backers? potatocubed fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Jun 11, 2021 |
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Jun 11, 2021 06:57
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Frozen Peach posted:Do people actually watch Kickstarter videos? We're working on the one for my upcoming game and I'm super excited about it, but I can't help but wonder how many eyes it's going to have. Never.
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Jun 11, 2021 07:09
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I have watched one (1) kickstarter video.
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Jun 11, 2021 07:25
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I only watch videos for projects that I'm already hyped enough to back anyway. They're definitely important to some people, though.
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Jun 11, 2021 07:50
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My own biased view is that having a good video means nothing really about either the quality of the creator's vision, nor their ability to produce & follow through on the project. I ignore them completely. The numbers don't lie though; they are good for engagement.
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Jun 11, 2021 08:01
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Frozen Peach posted:Do people actually watch Kickstarter videos? I watch them for e.g. video games where seeing the game in motion is important. For tabletop project, there's nothing the video can tell me that wouldn't already be in the text description of the project.
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Jun 11, 2021 08:06
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I usually forget there even is a video.
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Jun 11, 2021 08:13
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Are you guys talking about the video up the top of the ks page?
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Jun 11, 2021 08:14
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I always watch the kickstarter videos.
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Jun 11, 2021 08:27
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I'm also in the "almost never" camp. I look for the rules and gameplay videos further down the page.
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Jun 11, 2021 10:50
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I'd rather see the information presented where I can consume it at my own pace. I'd 100% prefer to stare at miniatures pictures or read a preview PDF. Video makes much more sense for non-game projects like a new kitchen gizmo, where you can "see how it works." I haven't watched a video in years. I've clicked a few and rapidly lost interest, though.
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Imagined posted:Why did FASA make another sci-fi tank game when they already had Battletech? Just curious Wikipedida says they tried to get the rights to Star Wars, but couldn't get it so made their own version without Blackjack and hookers. Was there ever a lore explanation of why the the Naram were human? Looks like they threw out the old TOG, Renegade Legions and Commonwealth for very-Battletechy style empires, so I hope the lore is more interesting than presented in the Kickstarter page. I really like the old Renegade Legion novels Dammed if you do and Frost Death. I tried playing an old copy of 1st edition Centurian but couldn't find any reference to the rules for going hull down or any type of cover system. I loved the idea of the different templates for damage depending on the weapon, but I could see how that would slow the game to a crawl. Comstar fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Jun 11, 2021 |
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Jun 11, 2021 13:06
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I am shocked, shocked to learn that videos are not the favored method of getting information for people posting on a 20 year old BBS.
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Comstar posted:Wikipedida says they tried to get the rights to Star Wars, but couldn't get it so made their own version without Blackjack and hookers. Was there ever a lore explanation of why the the Naram were human? I am a huge fan of the original RL setting and I've been pushing for years to get the license so we can redo the whole thing with some updated rules. The licensing is just in a nightmare state and with Budgie Smuggler Games announcing their "reboot" of it and doing Centurion, we decided it would probably be better to scrap the setting and rebuild something more in line with the other FASA cosmology games. Interceptor is a starfighter game, like the original, with a few similarities, but for the most part it is a completely new game inspired by the original. We've also got some ideas for Leviathan, but we need to make it through this Kickstarter first. I probably have about 50k words of lore written, but that is because we were simultaneously doing an RPG and Interceptor. Of course 49k of that is probably unusable, but I've tried to edit lore down to stuff needed to get people fighting each other. The initial ask handed down to me was 5 factions. Then we had a sentence describing each of them (Cult of Personality, Peak capitalists, military junta, etc.), and have been expanding from there. I've also tried to link it back into the other current FASA Games publications (Earthdawn, 1879 mainly) without being beholden to them, but having plenty of easter eggs for fans. The fine line seems to be what is the right amount of backstory that makes for an interesting game setting, and what is too much. If I lived in a magical dream world, we'd have been able to afford to get a novelist on board to help bring the whole setting to life. For Interceptor I thought that we didn't need a lore deep-dive for the Core game, perhaps I am wrong. If we got a page or two on each faction, some interesting characters, along with some fun fighting action I thought it would be enough. However, I can see where five factions fighting because "reasons" is kind of boring too. Mostly though, I think I am just a terrible salesperson and none of this likely helps sell our game.
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Jun 11, 2021 14:00
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Frozen Peach posted:Do people actually watch Kickstarter videos? We're working on the one for my upcoming game and I'm super excited about it, but I can't help but wonder how many eyes it's going to have. I almost never watch them, but I would say definitely do them because the people who want them can watch them and the people who don't can scroll by. On a related note DO NOT RELY ON THE VIDEO TO CONVEY IMPORTANT INFORMATION THAT ISN'T ALSO IN TEXT. I would never back a KS like that.
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Frozen Peach posted:Do people actually watch Kickstarter videos? We're working on the one for my upcoming game and I'm super excited about it, but I can't help but wonder how many eyes it's going to have. Checking the dashboard for the Hard Wired Island KS: the video was played 3,158 times, 36.83% (1163 times) all the way to the end. I don't know how many of those converted into pledges, but it definitely didn't hurt.
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I never watch them but I would totally put together the best one I could if I were launching a kickstarter.
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Bogieman posted:For Interceptor I thought that we didn't need a lore deep-dive for the Core game, perhaps I am wrong. If we got a page or two on each faction, some interesting characters, along with some fun fighting action I thought it would be enough. However, I can see where five factions fighting because "reasons" is kind of boring too. My theory is that I need a reason to want to put someone's flag on my plastic space fighter. I hope you can get enough lore into the game to make me do that. If everyone's human I'd be happy to fight for the space-communists if we're fighting space-late-stage-capitalism but not if everyone's as unlikable as the 40K Imperialim. TOG always gave me the impression of evil competence, and the same reason's you can see people wanting to fly a TIE fighter or be the side with the giant mechanical AT AT's, even if the good guys are the plucky band of rebel's fighting against Ming the Merciless. I always got the impression that Ming gives good dental for his legions. Battletech when I got into it in 2nd ed always gave me the impression that everyone was equally bad but the Federated Suns were the good guys because they always had the protagonists on their side. What's the background tie in to Earthdawn? I thought that was a Fantasy game with deamons. Is it the far future or fast past to it?
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Comstar posted:My theory is that I need a reason to want to put someone's flag on my plastic space fighter. I hope you can get enough lore into the game to make me do that. If everyone's human I'd be happy to fight for the space-communists if we're fighting space-late-stage-capitalism but not if everyone's as unlikable as the 40K Imperialim. TOG always gave me the impression of evil competence, and the same reason's you can see people wanting to fly a TIE fighter or be the side with the giant mechanical AT AT's, even if the good guys are the plucky band of rebel's fighting against Ming the Merciless. I always got the impression that Ming gives good dental for his legions. Earthdawn is the prequel/sequel to Shadowrun. Renegade Legion is kind of Romans in Spaaaaaace!
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Yeah, I think the balance is don't put any unique information in the video because people like me won't watch it. Do have one, because some people will expect it.
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Jun 11, 2021 15:21
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this is the only kickstarter video I've ever watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srq6ECieEg8
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I ended up dropping my Witcher pledge to PM access only after all the discussion in the thread and my own concerns. Even the base pledge is just too high without having any more details about rules and systems. I’m hoping there’s better clarity by the time the pledge manage closes. Otherwise, I see no reason I would upgrade. There aren’t enough or good enough Minis to justify it for the minis alone if the game isn’t that great.
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The only videos that make sense to me are the ones that actually use the video platform as a visual medium and the info being shared is primarily visual; ie they show rather than tell.
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Greg Stolze has an Indiegogo about releasing more stories about Unknown Armies if a certain price point is reached. 15 days left. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/new-stories-of-unknown-armies#/
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Doctor Zero posted:I almost never watch them, but I would say definitely do them because the people who want them can watch them and the people who don't can scroll by. This. Making a video is fine, some people like videos. But don't make information exclusive to the video, or discord/website/twitter. Everything about the project should be in the campaign description, the FAQ, or the updates. If I have to go hunting pertinent info, I am less likely to back the project.
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Frozen Peach posted:Rules are crazy important to me, as a designer. I'll often read the rules before backing something, unless I already know the game having played it or know the designer or something of the sort. Yeah. There's a few designers who I'll back stuff from without being concerned about reading the rules first because I know that at very least whatever they put out is going to be worth $movie ticket to read, but for new to me writers/publishers I really, really want to see at least a playtest packet.
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Fate Accomplice posted:this is the only kickstarter video I've ever watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ-0Oh0_9so
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Our KS video premiered on Facebook today! https://fb.watch/63JszzJbc4/ It's definitely not as good as the Root trailer though.
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Haystack posted:I am shocked, shocked to learn that videos are not the favored method of getting information for people posting on a 20 year old BBS. I mean if the Facebook "everyone should pivot to video" scandal is any indication, it's not the favored method of getting information for a lot of people.
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Tsilkani posted:This. Making a video is fine, some people like videos. But don't make information exclusive to the video, or discord/website/twitter. Everything about the project should be in the campaign description, the FAQ, or the updates. If I have to go hunting pertinent info, I am less likely to back the project. Actually, to expand on this with a pet peeve of mine -- don't put important information in images only. I can't remember which KS it was that did that but I was trying to Ctrl-F through their page for something and couldn't, because that info only appeared in one of their infographics.
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Fate Accomplice posted:this is the only kickstarter video I've ever watched This is so amazingly over the top
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