|
bob dobbs is dead posted:i think the ck3 counterfactual dlc should be time travelling ancient romans immediately followed by time traveling ancient carthaginians
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2021 06:48
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 30, 2024 11:56 |
|
|
I was playing as a count in Italy. The king pissed off populists somehow; because he was a loving Karling and waged another war for East Francia, he lost to the rebels. I thought I'll just get another ruler. Instead, the game unceremoniously dumped me to the main menu, claiming that I'm now landless and it's over for me. Is it a thing with populist revolts now? I know that Crusades and Holy Wars remove infidel rulers from the conquered territory, but in this case it was a Cisalpine Catholic leader banishing a Cisalpine Catholic count. I see no reason why would I suddenly become landless.
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2021 12:02
|
|
|
That kinda...shouldn't happen? Players can't join populist factions even if they have the right culture and faith (which is weird and dumb and I modded it out on my copy) but their capital county's populace can't join them either (to prevent exactly what happened to you). Looking at the code, I guess that if they went to war and occupied your land as part of the war then you would get usurped when the war resolved regardless of these, which seems like an oversight (there are a fair number of other protections for vassal players from losing their primary title in that script, but not in that part of it).
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2021 14:45
|
|
|
Takanago posted:immediately followed by time traveling ancient carthaginians I'm actually into this. This is why they lost the war you see, they all went to the future to win there.
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2021 15:25
|
|
|
Dallan Invictus posted:Looking at the code, I guess that if they went to war and occupied your land as part of the war then you would get usurped when the war resolved regardless of these, which seems like an oversight (there are a fair number of other protections for vassal players from losing their primary title in that script, but not in that part of it). Thank you, that was exactly what happened – they occupied my land and had it occupied when the war ended.
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2021 16:10
|
|
|
Cognac McCarthy posted:I'm finally starting to figure out how to dismantle a faction without relying entirely on assassinations or overwhelming military power (though those help). What I haven't yet figured out are the steps I should be taking as an old and secure ruler to pass a stable realm onto my heir. I'm fine being punished for stupid decisions or roleplaying, but I don't want to lose ground just because I don't understand how certain systems work. The best way to pass strength on to your heir, same as CK2, is to have a bunch of leftover relatives to marry off. If you can subtract three or four of your strongest vassals from factions, you can probably take care of the rest. If you're ruling a large realm, it's also helpful to have a few uncreated titles to hand out.
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2021 21:32
|
|
|
Various Meat Products posted:The best way to pass strength on to your heir, same as CK2, is to have a bunch of leftover relatives to marry off. If you can subtract three or four of your strongest vassals from factions, you can probably take care of the rest. If you're ruling a large realm, it's also helpful to have a few uncreated titles to hand out. An alternative is to toss your most powerful vassals in prison when you feel like you might die soon. You might have to fight them for it, but at least you'll be doing it at the peak of your strength and when most of your realm likes you (meaning they are unlikely to have other vassals join them in resisting you). They'll be mad at the new heir over it but they won't be able to do much about it.
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2021 21:39
|
|
|
A healthy bank account and a bunch of armored cavalry go a long way too, should your heir be an only child. Also holy hell Forgiving is strong as hell now. Possibly brokenly so. You lose 30 stress for every hook you renounce, meaning it's easy to shed infinite stress basically.
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2021 21:40
|
|
Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
|
PittTheElder posted:A healthy bank account and a bunch of armored cavalry go a long way too, should your heir be an only child. Conversely, Gregarious is quite chancy now. Your court cleric really doesn't like you, so he's not endorsing you? Okay, sway him then! Oh you keep failing? That's stressing you out. Why won't he be your friend?
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2021 21:58
|
|
|
I'm unsure of the full details but in one of my older Portugal playthroughs I had an infidel vassal who iirc was the head of faith for his religion and it didn't let me revoke his titles due to this. What do you do in that instance to take back the land?
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2021 22:15
|
|
|
eleven extra elephants posted:I'm unsure of the full details but in one of my older Portugal playthroughs I had an infidel vassal who iirc was the head of faith for his religion and it didn't let me revoke his titles due to this. What do you do in that instance to take back the land? Is it because it won't let you make them landless? If so, you should give him some far-off island or something that you conquer specifically for this purpose then revoke the other titles. Magil Zeal fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Jun 11, 2021 |
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2021 22:26
|
|
|
Do it the old-fashioned way, i.e. fabricate a claim on their land and press it.
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2021 22:26
|
|
|
Ah the medieval sovereign citizen
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2021 23:13
|
|
|
The military AI, unfortunately, is still bad when it comes to Crusades. I think it's a reasonable assumption that crusaders fighting for Jerusalem should at least try to reach Jerusalem and not scatter immediately before an enemy doomstack like frightened rabbits.
|
|
#
?
Jun 12, 2021 13:29
|
|
|
The only way I found to win a crusade: 1- wait for everyone to raise their armies and sail to the target, then you go (but dont wait too long or they will attack without you) 2- they will all be gathered at some place, usually moving around aimlessly as the AI does; go where they are 3- they will start following you like a pack of dogs. move slowly to where the enemies stacks are Only works if you are the strongest guy on your side, it seems. But I managed to win a crusade or 2 doing that Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Jun 12, 2021 |
|
#
?
Jun 12, 2021 13:35
|
|
|
Ah yes, Dirk Gently's Art of War. (Or a Reverse Gently, as in you look like you know where you're going, so everyone else is following you)
|
|
#
?
Jun 12, 2021 13:59
|
|
|
Gantolandon posted:The military AI, unfortunately, is still bad when it comes to Crusades. I think it's a reasonable assumption that crusaders fighting for Jerusalem should at least try to reach Jerusalem and not scatter immediately before an enemy doomstack like frightened rabbits. Yeah it's a bit disappointing that the defenders are nearly always united and grouped up in the target Kingdom, while the Crusaders land piecemeal in Syria as they happen to arrive by sea. Famously the Crusading pattern.
|
|
#
?
Jun 12, 2021 15:09
|
|
|
The AI is smart enough to realize that they need to separate so they don't have an entire 30k stack on a single province sieging, but not smart enough to realize it would be faster if they sieged multiple provinces at a time, which is very annoying.
Hellioning fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Jun 12, 2021 |
|
#
?
Jun 12, 2021 16:41
|
|
|
PittTheElder posted:Yeah it's a bit disappointing that the defenders are nearly always united and grouped up in the target Kingdom, while the Crusaders land piecemeal in Syria as they happen to arrive by sea. Famously the Crusading pattern. It's actually not the main problem, because that do manage to meet each other eventually. It's what happens later that's a clusterfuck. First of all, they all land in Syria or Egypt and barely try to reach the target of their Crusade. Instead, they play tag with defenders and sometimes siege some weakly defended forts. This means a Crusade routinely loses because of the ticking war score. Also for some reason, the enemy manages to keep their forces in a 20K-large doomstack, but the Crusaders swarm around the entire province. Two of these microstacks usually sieges something, but the rest chill out in the desert doing gently caress all. This would be fine, if they actually remembered there's a bunch of their friends around, but they don't. If a doomstack tries to attack, they don't try to call their friends from neighboring provinces, just run away. The entire crusading army scatters like cockroaches after you turn the lights on. Only if one of their stacks is attacked, they run to their helo, which is usually too late.
|
|
#
?
Jun 12, 2021 17:05
|
|
|
Gantolandon posted:First of all, they all land in Syria or Egypt and barely try to reach the target of their Crusade Yeah, thats what usually happens, on my experience too And thats when you should arrive with your doomstack where they are and they will start following you
|
|
#
?
Jun 12, 2021 17:21
|
|
|
Gantolandon posted:The military AI, unfortunately, is still bad when it comes to Crusades. I think it's a reasonable assumption that crusaders fighting for Jerusalem should at least try to reach Jerusalem and not scatter immediately before an enemy doomstack like frightened rabbits. This may be the most realistic part of the game though.
|
|
#
?
Jun 12, 2021 17:45
|
|
|
PittTheElder posted:Yeah it's a bit disappointing that the defenders are nearly always united and grouped up in the target Kingdom, while the Crusaders land piecemeal in Syria as they happen to arrive by sea. Famously the Crusading pattern. Crusaders being a disorganized mess, with individual groups traveling separately and often getting into mischief and trouble well before they reach Jerusalem and occasionally splitting off for random side distractions, is pretty historical. It just doesn't really fit the game.
|
|
#
?
Jun 12, 2021 18:00
|
|
|
They usually weren't this big of a mess though, and actually managed to coordinate amongst themselves (and with Alexios, who in attempting to co-opt the First Crusade was essential to their success honestly, they had no hope of supplying themselves otherwise). There was various mischief going on, but it was primarily during the People's Crusade, and Bohemonds ongoing attempts to carve out chunks of the Empire for himself. The Princes' Crusade (ie. the only one we see in game) was remarkably well coordinated by the Roman state until Antioch, and by that point they've already fought the decisive battle of the campaign. SlothBear posted:This may be the most realistic part of the game though. In what sense? I can't really think of an instance of that happening. It's more often that Crusaders were far too eager for a fight and got themselves wiped out. At least during the First Crusade it was far more likely to have the defenders pull that move for local political reasons. What happens now is the EU4 disease, where the AI thinks it must attack something right now, and tries to take some ridiculously implausible path to an area it perceives as weakly defended, only to turn back if the enemy looks like it might move over there in response. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jun 12, 2021 |
|
#
?
Jun 12, 2021 18:02
|
|
|
Richard the 3 had a hell of a time keeping his crusaders in line. A significant chunk just refused to leave Acre for several weeks eventually trickling towards the columns slow March south. This is famously when Richard lost cohesion as he wanted to attack Egypt but the army wanted Jerusalem
|
|
#
?
Jun 12, 2021 18:12
|
|
|
Been having a hell of a time defending against a crusade for Spain (loving little count armies carpet sieging provinces  ). But it's not helped by the fact that I keep seeing my armies just suddenly...lose. Like I'm wining battle, then go try and check on all the other bullshit going on, then I turn back and my armies are being routed! And no amount of reinforcement alters the outcome Like what the gently caress.It's bullshit like this leads me to feeling no shame in just opening the console commands, cause if the game won't play fair I don't see why I should. SirPhoebos fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jun 12, 2021 |
|
#
?
Jun 12, 2021 19:52
|
|
|
What's your army composition like? Are your enemies feeding reinforcements into the battle after it starts? Maybe with a pile of counter MaA, or just a lot of MaA in general? Incidentally, I really wish battles resolved faster to cut down on that and make dispersing your forces a bad idea. Good MaA are much, much stronger than levies, and so it's not uncommon for battles to start with the power bar heavily slanted to one side, only to have a MaA heavy comp run roughshod over the enemy levies and reverse that in a hurry. Usually you see it when you're doing it to the AI, but particularly in a crusade situation when lots of rulers are all showing up with their own MaA it's possible for it to go the other way. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Jun 12, 2021 |
|
#
?
Jun 12, 2021 20:01
|
|
|
Maybe, but there were like two guys left in the opposing army. It felt very much like "and this battle bugged out from you flipping around" I also agree with faster battle resolution. Would make it easier to deal with carpet sieging.
|
|
#
?
Jun 12, 2021 20:30
|
|
|
Before I start doing it, are achievements like Miklagarðaríki / KOAI unlockable even if you don't have the NL DLC? I'm seeing conflicting things online
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2021 16:11
|
|
|
SirPhoebos posted:Been having a hell of a time defending against a crusade for Spain (loving little count armies carpet sieging provinces Haha...Jesus Christ. You don't know why you're losing battles so its straight to the console? Just look at a picture of a map someone else made and play cookie clicker for the exact same amount of satisfaction.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2021 04:18
|
|
|
SirPhoebos posted:Maybe, but there were like two guys left in the opposing army. It felt very much like "and this battle bugged out from you flipping around" I bet you clicked somewhere else with the battle selected, causing you to retreat. I’ve done that way too many times to count
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2021 04:29
|
|
|
 Haestein might be slightly OP. I spent my starting cash on varangian veterans, adventured against sicily while they were losing to the byzantines, picked off a few of their armies while I was at it, spent all the money on more varangian veterans and invaded thessalonika. Then I bullied a local greek count until he and all his friends revolted, nearly instantly captured him because my varangians were standing on his hometown and revoked all their titles. Now I'm 7 years in and the entire kingdom is run by norsemen.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2021 15:10
|
|
|
Haesteinn is fun OP in a way I hope they never change, but also don’t introduce (m)any more of.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2021 16:50
|
|
|
Anno posted:Haesteinn is fun OP in a way I hope they never change, but also don’t introduce (m)any more of. Once melting pots get introduced I can't wait to rampage across Africa. 
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2021 19:11
|
|
|
I melt the pots down in Africa
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2021 19:17
|
|
|
Modding is getting kinda wild. This is from the Way of Kings conversion. quote:Teaser time! 
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2021 19:19
|
|
|
I understand it's webview, so you can get anything in there. I think I saw Doom inside of CK3.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2021 20:52
|
|
|
New Dev Diary - Cultures Are Forever
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2021 14:34
|
|
|
quote:The martial custom decides which gender you may appoint as knights and commanders. As you’d expect, you can either appoint men, women, or both. We always felt that having the gender doctrine on faiths decide which characters can and cannot participate in battles felt off. The doctrine is about the right to rule and the holding of titles, more so than anything else. Just because you want the Equal doctrine to allow female rulers, doesn’t mean that women would automatically lead your armies or join you as knights. Revising cultures gave us the ample opportunity to move the functionality from faiths over to cultures. Which also means that you’ll have additional options in shaping your realm. This is fantastic, and fixes my biggest gripe with how "the gender doctrine" works. Now I can have a matriarchal culture where the only thing men can do is be my knights and commanders 
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2021 14:40
|
|
|
Dwesa posted:New Dev Diary - Cultures Are Forever That looks so good. I really like the cultural acceptance bit, where it looks like it might not hurt to have wrong culture vassals if you can get the acceptance level raised enough.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2021 14:45
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 30, 2024 11:56 |
|
|
That all sounds pretty great. And free! The acceptance stuff in particular. I usually custom rule culture conversions to be like 300% slower, but now I can just work on our people learning to get along.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2021 14:59
|
|