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Which Marxist Is The "Epic Gritty" Of Leftism
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Jun 12, 2021 23:52
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Algund Eenboom posted:Which Marxist Is The "Epic Gritty" Of Leftism Bordiga?
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Jun 12, 2021 23:56
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Stalin is Gritty I think
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Jun 13, 2021 00:27
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although Gritty sucks so maybe not. unless…
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Jun 13, 2021 00:27
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Zizek
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Jun 13, 2021 03:30
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Algund Eenboom posted:Which Marxist Is The "Epic Gritty" Of Leftism Marx is shaggy and loves to party
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Jun 13, 2021 03:45
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It's very funny how quickly Gritty got dropped by the DSA meme guys. A universal and all too brief moment of self-awareness.
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Jun 13, 2021 03:50
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oh my god is gritty.....canceled
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Jun 13, 2021 03:52
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Yossarian-22 posted:Zizek
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Jun 13, 2021 04:04
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Prince Myshkin posted:It's very funny how quickly Gritty got dropped by the DSA meme guys. A universal and all too brief moment of self-awareness. Even funnier that a literal corporate mascot became the Face Of Leftism among a certain set for a while for no discernable reason whatsoever.
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Jun 13, 2021 04:48
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Yossarian-22 posted:Zizek :no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/66149730/1083176954.jpg.0.jpg)
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Jun 13, 2021 08:28
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tokin opposition posted:What if there was an app that took in your hourly wage and replaced all monetary values in your browser with hours of labor to purchase you laff but blockchain + labor time accounting hasn't been tried, could be a decent socialism
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Jun 13, 2021 08:32
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splifyphus posted:you laff but blockchain + labor time accounting hasn't been tried, could be a decent socialism what does the blockchain add exactly
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Jun 13, 2021 09:47
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weast posted:what does the blockchain add exactly i have no idea, i just have a hunch that shorn of its libertarian coin scheme origins and wielded in a communist context, it might prove to be useful.
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Jun 13, 2021 11:48
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Jun 13, 2021 11:48
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splifyphus posted:i have no idea, i just have a hunch that shorn of its libertarian coin scheme origins and wielded in a communist context, it might prove to be useful.
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Jun 13, 2021 15:46
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yeah there’s no use case where it’s more efficient or more secure than standard methods of accounting
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Jun 13, 2021 16:05
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marx suggests paying workers in labor vouchers in critique of the gotha program, but the novelty there isn't that your vouchers reflect work done - money already does that, or at least tends to per the LTV. what makes currency compatible with socialism isn't what it measures but what it buys and the extent to which it can be transferred or pooled
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Jun 13, 2021 16:51
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DSA: unitarianism with socialist characteristics prove me wrong
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Jun 13, 2021 19:22
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that's basically correct but is becoming less so as time passes, at least where i organize
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Jun 13, 2021 22:01
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weast posted:as far as i am aware blockchain is just like having an excel spreadsheet but worse in every possible way isn't the difference that the excel spreadsheet can be hidden and monopolized, but the blockchain is open and distributed? it obviously has zero use case under current conditions but in the context of different social relations, maybe it could be worth something.
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Jun 13, 2021 22:21
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Blockchain is a shared Google doc
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Jun 13, 2021 22:42
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blockchain is when i poop in the toilet and it doesnt go dwon
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Jun 13, 2021 22:46
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splifyphus posted:isn't the difference that the excel spreadsheet can be hidden and monopolized, but the blockchain is open and distributed? these merkle trees are an applied concept that predates bitcoin by decades the only thing bitcoin adds is proof of work which is unnecessary if you have a functioning society. and if you don't have a functioning society the possible benefits of a distributed computer currency are going to be moot
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Jun 14, 2021 04:40
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comedyblissoption posted:git (source control system) is an example of applied cryptographic hashes to dissuade tampering of the data while keeping data distributed and open obv we don't have a functioning society so the point is moot, but wouldn't proof of work be useful if we had smashed exchange value and replaced it with labour time accounting?
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Jun 14, 2021 07:15
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proof of work is a mechanism to just pointlessly waste labor time and has no accounting benefit
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Jun 14, 2021 07:35
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You can prove a computer did work, that in no way applies to the work humans do
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Jun 14, 2021 07:41
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r guy
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Jun 14, 2021 09:55
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a few DRUNK BONERS posted:You can prove a computer
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Jun 14, 2021 10:05
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blockchains are a solution to a question no one asked
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Jun 14, 2021 18:54
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indigi posted:underground greenhouses https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...QMygBegUIARDGAQ Black hammer are an op, but it's a useful thing.
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Jun 15, 2021 03:57
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that’s partially submerged at best
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Jun 15, 2021 04:02
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https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1404509094795489284?s=19
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Jun 15, 2021 08:29
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me replying to anyone on this forum: https://twitter.com/JucheKoolaid/status/1401329338583326723?s=20 Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 20:35 on Jun 15, 2021 |
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Jun 15, 2021 08:50
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https://twitter.com/Vicky_ACAB/status/1405189895501631489?s=20 https://twitter.com/Vicky_ACAB/status/1405194095887372290?s=20 "In Defense of Looting" the former USSR by western capitalists
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Jun 16, 2021 17:26
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she’s not wrong that I’ve seen more class first/class only rhetoric floating around. it’s just that her understanding of it and ideas to combat it (tankies bad!!) are badly lacking
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Jun 16, 2021 17:31
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indigi posted:she’s not wrong that I’ve seen more class first/class only rhetoric floating around. it’s just that her understanding of it and ideas to combat it (tankies bad!!) are badly lacking something tells me there is gonna be a backlash against any kind of class-anywhere leftism from the progressives. more than normal.
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Jun 16, 2021 17:37
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the irony as usual is that it's lenin's enemies who were economy-first class reductionists and the actual communists who put a premium on such things as national liberation struggles and an end to ethnic or religious oppression
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Jun 16, 2021 17:37
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there's really no "class reductionist" organizations in the US with any national profile besides SEP and the WSWS, and I wouldn't call them "tankies." The front page of their website today has a headline accusing people of being Stalinist.
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Jun 16, 2021 17:50
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Torpor posted:something tells me there is gonna be a backlash against any kind of class-anywhere leftism from the progressives. more than normal. Some people are naturally going to refuse to even care about race & gender because those fall under the auspices of bourgeois freedoms, whereas class struggle and class interests have been languishing for decades and only backsliding. You can't even talk about them as being bourgeois freedom issues because that seems dismissive, but it is what they are. Race and gender are easily co-opted by bourgeois interests because there is a non-white and queer bourgeois. On the other hand there is no such thing as a proletarian capitalist. Rather than wringing hands over what looks like a class-only or class-first reaction, these people should be asking why their class politics have completely failed.
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Jun 16, 2021 17:59
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