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Stevie Lee posted:Tobias and Ben need to step the gently caress up benjamin has always shrunk or become useless in close playoff series, sadly
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triple sulk posted:guess we're getting a bucks-suns final clippers are still mostly healthy too
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embiid is a bum
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Judakel posted:embiid is a bum he is tonight
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i think philly still gets the series, but im glad atlanta is making it interesting
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if donovan mitchell is healthy jazz are winning the championship. if kyrie/harden are healthy nets win the championship. if none of the three are healthy then who the hell knows
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Yossarian-22 posted:if donovan mitchell is healthy jazz are winning the championship. if kyrie/harden are healthy nets win the championship. if none of the three are healthy then who the hell knows kawhi is going to put the city of los angeles on his back and carry it to the title kicking and screaming
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Jun 15, 2021 03:27
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euphronius posted:he is tonight always
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I don’t like Embiid it’s unfortunate I’m forced to root for him as a fan of the Seventy Sixers
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Does Green still do that thing where he kicks people in the dick instead of defending? Are advanced dick kicking stats considered when awarding the DPOY
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indigi posted:I don’t like Embiid it’s unfortunate I’m forced to root for him as a fan of the Seventy Sixers He's the reason I can't go for them
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Yossarian-22 posted:1. blocks and steals Jokic is a weird but effective defender, probably average or slightly above average overall though because of some obvious holes in his game (can't jump very well, doesn't set his hips well for good pivots to help). He is effective because he's got very good hands which he - now famously - uses to slap at the ball. He's beefy and holds position well so his man can't power through him, and the active hands prevent fancy post moves. However, he doesn't really jump or hard contest shots. He's also limited to mostly defending 5s and slower 4s. He's never going to get an all-defense team vote, nor will he be the anchor of an elite defense. He's basically the polar opposite of Gobert in that you can plug him in to make a great offense but he'll need the right pieces around him to make a good defense. Unfortunately those pieces are solid point-of-attack defenders, which Denver doesn't have at all. Their best player in that department is probably Facu. euphronius posted:lmao did you see Chris Paul’s numbers ? that was all jokic being horrible I know its your gimmick, but there's 8 other players on the floor outside CP3+Jokic and neither of them would be able to defend the other effectively. In your basketball Theory of Everything, is a player's offensive output solely dependent on the defense of the other team's best player? Is Rudy Gobert a bad defender because his teams have been consistently roasted by Harden, CP3, Ja Morant, Steph Curry, Westbrook and Jamal Murray in the playoffs? Who is responsible for Devin Booker's shooting getting worse and Jae Crowder's getting better? Does the play of Austin Rivers, whose own father - a HOF coach - thinks he is bad at basketball, factor into the play of CP3? I don't feel like this Great Man Theory of Basketball is very well thought out, unless there is only one MVP each year and they must be a member of the NBA Championship team. In which case, I'm going to ask that you seriously reconsider the contributions of Wardell Stephen Curry II, unanimous MVP of the league. Unlike Rudy Gobert, who's contributions seem to have zero determining effect on his squad's success, Steph Curry is provably the key determining factor in Warriors victories based on the team's win and loss record compared to his contributions! e: Forgot to add that Rudy Gobert's Jazz are also being roasted by perennial playoff underperformer and failure Paul George, which seems like something the DPOY would take care of easily! Telluric Whistler fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Jun 15, 2021 |
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Telluric Whistler posted:Jokic is a weird but effective defender, probably average or slightly above average overall though because of some obvious holes in his game (can't jump very well, doesn't set his hips well for good pivots to help). He is effective because he's got very good hands which he - now famously - uses to slap at the ball. He's beefy and holds position well so his man can't power through him, and the active hands prevent fancy post moves. However, he doesn't really jump or hard contest shots. He's also limited to mostly defending 5s and slower 4s. According to those advanced stats that everyone hates he's a thoroughly average defender, which is pretty bad for his size. But since hes an exceptional playmaker and a great scorer he is still a big plus overall. Just doesn't lend himself to a conventional center role and probably needs some lengthy defensive wings to help, as you noted.
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Telluric Whistler posted:Jokic is a weird but effective defender, probably average or slightly above average overall though because of some obvious holes in his game (can't jump very well, doesn't set his hips well for good pivots to help). He is effective because he's got very good hands which he - now famously - uses to slap at the ball. He's beefy and holds position well so his man can't power through him, and the active hands prevent fancy post moves. However, he doesn't really jump or hard contest shots. He's also limited to mostly defending 5s and slower 4s. He was not effective at all in the 4-0 wipeout by the suns so maybe you need to refine your beliefs about what effective center defense is.
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Think Less posted:He's the reason I can't go for them what'd he do to you
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he’s just an unfunny loser rear end in a top hat
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indigi posted:he’s just an unfunny loser rear end in a top hat what's the unfunniest, loser rear end in a top hat thing he's done? not a big DX fan? i could see if you thought he was lame in his early 20s, but he's changed quite a bit since then. I'm sure you've changed a lot since your early 20s too
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Stevie Lee posted:what's the unfunniest, loser rear end in a top hat thing he's done? lost game four
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Stevie Lee posted:what'd he do to you Tbh, it's completely irrational. There's nothing specifically that he's done that others don't also do, but for some reason he annoys the poo poo out of me.
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Let the record show that the thunder is my team
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At least I still have my 87ers
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euphronius posted:He was not effective at all in the 4-0 wipeout by the suns so maybe you need to refine your beliefs about what effective center defense is. he was alright versus ayton but he's not going to cover up for campazzo and austin rivers doing their best pat bev/dennis schroder impressions on defense
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euphronius posted:He was not effective at all in the 4-0 wipeout by the suns so maybe you need to refine your beliefs about what effective center defense is. he was very effective in making the nuggets the first team to come back from 3-1 twice last year
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also i like embiid and his antics make me laugh. during practice he watched dbz on his phone while lying on the bench on his back so that's pretty cool
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euphronius posted:He was not effective at all in the 4-0 wipeout by the suns so maybe you need to refine your beliefs about what effective center defense is. It feels like he's an average defender, not great but not a liability either. Like, he's not Gobert but he's not Karl Anthony Towns either, and it's weird as hell to act like he's down at that end. There's a huge middle area of average and not every player is on one extreme or the other. As for that series in particular, loving nobody on the Nuggets played well on either end of the floor, but putting the blame for that on Jokic is also weird as hell. They could have had Gobert gumming up the works instead and they might charitably have lost 1-4 instead of getting swept, given how everyone else played.
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Azathoth posted:It feels like he's an average defender, not great but not a liability either. Like, he's not Gobert but he's not Karl Anthony Towns either, and it's weird as hell to act like he's down at that end. There's a huge middle area of average and not every player is on one extreme or the other. sounds like Gobert would have been more valuable to the team 🤔
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Yossarian-22 posted:he was very effective in making the nuggets the first team to come back from 3-1 twice last year bubble doesn’t count. no one even remembers the bubble
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euphronius posted:bubble doesn’t count. no one even remembers the bubble cool that means lebron has as many rings as wardell stephen "steph" curry II
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euphronius posted:bubble doesn’t count. no one even remembers the bubble I seem to recall the Sixers getting swept in the first round but I could be wrong
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indigi posted:sounds like Gobert would have been more valuable to the team 🤔 lol I don't think he should have gotten the MVP either, but acting like he's below the Mendoza Line just because he won it is a take so bad I'm amazed it didn't come from Bill Simmons first.
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Fortunately we can all agree that both Jokic and Gobert are technically more valuable than Embiid because they're not crippled for fully 40% of each regular season and 80% of the playoffs.
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Azathoth posted:lol I don't think he should have gotten the MVP either, but acting like he's below the Mendoza Line just because he won it is a take so bad I'm amazed it didn't come from Bill Simmons first. oh no he’s obviously a great player. I’m not going Full Euphronius
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Vox Nihili posted:Fortunately we can all agree that both Jokic and Gobert are technically more valuable than Embiid because they're not crippled for fully 40% of each regular season and 80% of the playoffs. yeah it sucks
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embiid probably just gets the meniscus trim right? he's going to be getting microfracture surgery before he's 30
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