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(context, in Australia where 12-month maternity leave is standard and employers must accommodate requests for part time work from parents) me, on maternity leave: hey I'm going to come back in July 3 days a week and then increase to 4 in January manager: great, no problem *a month goes by* manager: that's not ok anymore, your job is full time, you have to work out a solution me: ok, could we get an intern or an assistant, find someone else in the division who wants to upskill on these projects... manager: let me check manager: yes we can get an assistant me: cool *a month goes by* manager: we're not getting an assistant, you can come back 3 days to start but have to be back full time at least from September me: I'm happy to reassess how it's going in September but I can't commit to full time right now manager: then it sounds like this isn't the right job for you me: *throws the employee agreement and fair work legislation at her* manager: ok let's talk to HR together to find a solution me: ok *HR meeting gets mysteriously cancelled* manager: hey don't worry I found a solution, somebody else in the division is wanting to upskill and is going to help me: ok sometimes...HR good?!
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Jumpsuit posted:(context, in Australia where 12-month maternity leave is standard and employers must accommodate requests for part time work from parents) Sounds like the law is good rather than HR, who are just there to make sure the company doesn't get themselves into the losing side of a lawsuit.
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Jun 15, 2021 13:08
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Yeah I had a similar experience working in a government department here (Australia). Once HR starts quoting Fair Work and the NES at management and how if they try to ignore it they'll be in all kinds of poo poo, it is amazing how quickly management "find a solution" outside of trying to force you out of your legal work rights and entitlements.
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Jun 15, 2021 13:43
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Just had a two hour training session on "hybrid working planning and how to manage a hybrid team" and the only thing everyone agreed on was that this should have been done a year ago and that nobody knew what the corporate plan was,when it was happening or understood the "rules" it was based on. Return to office is off to a good start!
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Jun 15, 2021 13:53
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My girlfriend has been understandably grumbling about having to go into the office at her new job, even if only a couple of days per week. Also my GF: this is the view from my desk 
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Jun 15, 2021 14:00
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That would be a nice view if it wasn’t from an office building with another office building in view
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Jun 15, 2021 14:10
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knox_harrington posted:My girlfriend has been understandably grumbling about having to go into the office at her new job, even if only a couple of days per week. Does your girlfriend work at Starfleet Academy?
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Jun 15, 2021 14:13
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Jumpsuit posted:sometimes...HR good?!
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Jun 15, 2021 14:20
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Jumpsuit posted:
Generally speaking, HR is there to protect the company. In this case HR likely pointed out to the manager how the manager's actions would screw the company. The law is doing the heavy lifting here.
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Jun 15, 2021 15:17
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Omne posted:Here's something I've been thinking about lately... Yep. I joined the company when they were "about to go public within a year or two" (every late-stage startup says this) and was granted something like 10,000 options at I forget what strike price. While I was there they actually did announce that they were indeed going to IPO, but when they did I was already a bit disillusioned with the company and the product. I realized also that to get paid what I felt I was worth I would have to go through a promotion ringer and I didn't want to do that there. On the day they IPO'd I actually interviewed with another company and got that job at about 8 months in. Seeing what price we opened at on NYSE, I realized I was about to maybe make $20,000 after taxes. Problem was I would have to wait first for my shares to vest after the 1 year cliff, but also wait out the 6 month lock-up post-IPO period in which employees can't sell. My new employer took care of this amount in a signing bonus as well as a generous equity package and a higher base salary and I noped out of that place after 9 months. The stock never really went much over opening price except for like the 1st quarter results and then got re-acquired by the parent that spun them out.
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I've been trying to get a waste of time meeting cancelled because this project is not gonna be saved by another hour long 'requirements meeting' and when I pointed out it was also at 6am for three of the people on it (not me) and could all be done via email the guy that set it up said 'well I have too many emails,I prefer meetings and I don't mind getting up at 6' I mean ok if you want to ruin your life fine but why do that to everyone else?
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Jun 15, 2021 20:45
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:I've been trying to get a waste of time meeting cancelled because this project is not gonna be saved by another hour long 'requirements meeting' and when I pointed out it was also at 6am for three of the people on it (not me) and could all be done via email the guy that set it up said 'well I have too many emails,I prefer meetings and I don't mind getting up at 6' Reschedule it for 4:00pm for the people for whom that would be 6am, and tell the guy you don't mind staying late.
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Thanatosian posted:Reschedule it for 4:00pm for the people for whom that would be 6am, and tell the guy you don't mind staying late. gently caress that, I've already spent enough time working late on this disaster zone. Instead I told both the other people in the 6am zone that I tried to get it cancelled but what can you do? They're already fed up with the whole project and think their time is being wasted and this isn't gonna help but I tried!
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Jun 15, 2021 20:59
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Democratic Pirate posted:That’s brutal. Was it for one position, or some weird inter company recruiting war where the managers fought for different interviewees? One position, but it was for a very prestigious research position, and I would have interacted with ~3 research teams who were working together to build one thing.
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Jumpsuit posted:(context, in Australia where 12-month maternity leave is standard and employers must accommodate requests for part time work from parents) yeah, only in the sense they said "you do this to her, you're rear end if fired next after we have to hire her back and pay her a lump sum" and it can work both ways depending on individual competency. I once had an HR person try to split hairs over what was and wasn't "technically" illegal when I was being secretly recorded on a cell phone in the break room by a coworker who mocked it up in video memes making fun of me and sent it to a group chat containing a bunch of other coworkers and some managers. I lost my poo poo at her when she said I needed to let it go and work with that person again and mentioned he wasn't "technically" breaking the law and basically ended the conversation when she said "well you were on break, which you're not supposed to do, but we'll discuss that another time". I asked my boss if I was being written up because someone recorded me against without my consent when I was taking a 5 min break and he ended up getting his boss involved. Shockingly, the coworker was fired 2 days later and HR never contacted me again.
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pentyne posted:yeah, only in the sense they said "you do this to her, you're rear end if fired next after we have to hire her back and pay her a lump sum" and it can work both ways depending on individual competency. Ah, the classic "Ross Defense." Seriously that places sounds like it sucks, who does something like that, sharing with multiple people AND managers? I had a similar situation once with a bad and incompetent manager who would cruise into the office most days (when he actually came in) after 10am. 80% of our team was new and/or completely clueless and since I'd been there a couple of years, I became the leader if not de facto manager. Came to find out the manager resented me actually being present and helping the team he was technically responsible for, so instead of actually doing his job, he started undermining me and talking poo poo about me to the people on our team. Lo and behold, since he was worse than worthless and never helped them in any way and I can consistently had on top of my full-time job, several people pretty much immediately told me that our manager was unprofessionally bashing me in pretty personal terms during their 1x1 conversations. Thankfully I had a relationship with a different VP, he took care of it, and the idiot was fired a few days later, but I easily could have lost that battle and gotten fired for some inane reason if I hadn't had that connection. Corporate politics is so loving dumb
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:gently caress that, I've already spent enough time working late on this disaster zone. It's remarkable how often I sleep through my alarm for meetings like this, cough. People figure out real quick that scheduling meetings during working hours is the only way to get my participation, because aw, shucks, I sure try and wake up guys, but my body expects those last two hours of sleep and I can't just fall asleep two hours earlier because of my regular work schedule. Golly gee I'd sure love to help with this dead project, and my calendar is up to date so feel free to put something on my calendar during the regular day and I'll be just thrilled to show up!  I'm not that saccharine when I deliver this message, but they get it.
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We had a 1hr meeting on morale Monday between my 3 peers, our new boss and HR that quickly deteriorated into a 2.5 hour airing of grievances that I largely stayed out of. One of the things that was brought up is that we are having way too many meetings about work causing us to work late to get the actual work done (this impacts the day crew guys more than me, my beef is to always have to come in early for meetings to accommodate the 9 to 5 office crew who wants the meetings at convenient times for them). Anyway long story short HR wants us to set up a series of meetings with our direct reports, each other, and our boss as a group and with our boss one on one to get to the bottom of why morale is so bad. Sigh.
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bee posted:Yeah I had a similar experience working in a government department here (Australia). Once HR starts quoting Fair Work and the NES at management and how if they try to ignore it they'll be in all kinds of poo poo, it is amazing how quickly management "find a solution" outside of trying to force you out of your legal work rights and entitlements. This is at a uni so fairly similar. Apparently our senior management team got "concerned" about the number of parents returning part time and decided the best way forward was to force everyone to be full time within six months of returning, ideally sooner, regardless of personal circumstances. Or, you know, the law. I was the first one to come back after that decision so I'm hoping that now HR have slapped them down, other women won't have to deal with it. In any case I put in the best job application of my life the other day...really hoping it turns out well.
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tactlessbastard posted:One of the things that was brought up is that we are having way too many meetings about work causing us to work late to get the actual work done. Add all of the useless meetings you want, I'm not working outside my 40 hours even if I am salaried.
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Good luck with that Jumpsuit! After two months of job hunting I accepted an offer today with one of my ex boss's competitors. Hopefully there's something good coming your way soon too. Speaking of my ex boss, I heard through my professional grapevine that the person he hired to replace me was terrible at getting anything completed, the client he was working with immediately started complaining about him, and he was on the verge of getting fired. But then when my ex boss sat him down to have that conversation replacement guy disclosed that he has some kind of cognitive disability that impairs his memory and that's the reason for his performance issues. Ex boss ended up not firing him (maybe it would have looked discriminatory?) and hired another person to help replacement guy stay on top of his workload. Sooo it sounds like things are working out just great over there without me 
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Cheesus posted:Add all of the useless meetings you want, I'm not working outside my 40 hours even if I am salaried.
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evil_bunnY posted:Some people think jobs shouldn't unrewarding wastes of time. Sure, but if you have no impact on whether that's the case or not, "unrewarding waste of time" beats "overworking yourself into an early grave" every time.
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I'm not wasting my time, I'm selling it. If the buyer is too dumb and careless to make any use of what they bought, that's their problem. Until I find a higher bidder, anyway.
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tactlessbastard posted:We had a 1hr meeting on morale Monday between my 3 peers, our new boss and HR that quickly deteriorated into a 2.5 hour airing of grievances that I largely stayed out of. One of the things that was brought up is that we are having way too many meetings about work causing us to work late to get the actual work done (this impacts the day crew guys more than me, my beef is to always have to come in early for meetings to accommodate the 9 to 5 office crew who wants the meetings at convenient times for them). The meetings will continue until morale improves.
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tactlessbastard posted:Anyway long story short HR wants us to set up a series of meetings with our direct reports, each other, and our boss as a group and with our boss one on one to get to the bottom of why morale is so bad. This sounds like a trick to me, to ferret out the malcontents and get rid of them.
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I'm a contractor at $LargeCorp and they have some uh, very corporatist practices.Administrative specialist posted:Hello Boiled Water,
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We all like the HR WFH policy thread title, but I'm amazed we haven't had this one yet:Smithwick posted:The meetings will continue until morale improves. 
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My excitement over getting a new laptop at work after having the same one for 8 years has been tempered by all the nee and exciting bullshit locked down stuff I now have to figure out how to work around. No, you can’t use the fingerprint sensor to log in the IT protocol dictates you must use a unique password that you change every 3 months. No, you can’t use “run as administrator” even though you have local admin access, you have to run as that user and enter your password every goddamn time, etc. Also found out my personal license for my favourite editor has expired and need to decide if I want to re-up it myself (I use at home), get work to pay or just find a new free option. Actually this might be a good suggestion for morale - everyone gets an amount to use on software licenses for their own work related tools they like.
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Remember a while back somebody brought up paid interview cold calls through Linkedin? Got one of those today- they're offering $210 for a 45 minute phone call about my field. No free lunch applies here, right?
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what do you mean no free lunch? they want to pump your brain for 45 minutes, then they'll give you money
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That beats the messages I get for a “patagonia fleece” or whatever
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Jun 16, 2021 16:24
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I thought about contacting my gatekeeper about this issue
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Eric the Mauve posted:I'm not wasting my time, I'm selling it. If the buyer is too dumb and careless to make amy use of what they bought, that's their problem. Until I find a higher bidder, anyway.
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There's an office bbq by the lake after work tomorrow, its like a 30 minute drive but I thought may be good to see people and eat a burger. Just got an email asking for answers for an icebreaker quiz. No loving way am I giving up my evening for your awkward corporate icebreaker bullshit. gently caress you.
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knox_harrington posted:There's an office bbq by the lake after work tomorrow, its like a 30 minute drive but I thought may be good to see people and eat a burger. at least they warned you up front. I went to what I thought would be a nice coffee and planning about planning outside. Work thought otherwise: Have an all expenses paid walk around an old fort which combines the thrill of an escape room, your elderly colleagues, awkwardness of said colleagues and a murder mystery all while walking 10k steps on a windy star fort.
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:gently caress that, I've already spent enough time working late on this disaster zone. Lol everyone is well and truly pissed off about this now, each further meeting on the subject of this project makes it worse and worse because they without fail end up with the PMs saying 'but what are the dates' over and over and over.
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I was offered RELOCATION PAY for the first time in my life. Who the gently caress gives relocation to HR? *id never move to Wisconsin
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