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It could be a dormitory for young men or any number of things. People being people and the Roman's being the Roman's, there was definitely a brothel though.
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Anne Frank Funk posted:Lol at the 0 brothels in Pompeii hypothesis. Ooh! Erotic cakes!
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Brawnfire posted:Ooh! Erotic cakes! there's a joke about cream filling and cream pies there
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Anne Frank Funk posted:Lol at the 0 brothels in Pompeii hypothesis. Could have just been a tenement One interesting thing is the omnipresent erotic paintings were beginning to be painted over town wide at the time of the eruption. Beard guesses that maybe pompeiians were getting tired of it by then. Who knows.
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euphronius posted:Could have just been a tenement My guess is that at any given point in time, someone was painting new erotic graffiti and someone else was painting over the graffiti.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:My guess is that at any given point in time, someone was painting new erotic graffiti and someone else was painting over the graffiti. "Those are nowhere near big enough. I swear, the lack of imagination these days..."
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Jun 15, 2021 16:05
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Anne Frank Funk posted:Lol at the 0 brothels in Pompeii hypothesis. “I’ll see you later Septimius I’m off to the bakery, gotta put some sausage in some buns”
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Anyway, visiting Pompei, Herculaneum, etc was nice. The actual jewel of my stay around Naples was going here: https://www.areamarinaprotettagaiola.it/ Discovery process:
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Jun 15, 2021 16:38
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Weka posted:What's your source on that? Etymonline suggests it come from "PIE *bhle-was "light-colored, blue, blond, yellow," " This paper: https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/200783371.pdf But they don't provide a source for that claim, so  Edit: quote:1 In fact, in the Old English period (c. 600–1150), the word blæwen, Lead out in cuffs fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Jun 15, 2021 |
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Jun 15, 2021 16:39
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Anne Frank Funk posted:[*]One visit to the website later... uh, diving and even swimming is VERY illegal (in the area with the ruins)! Oh well, cool and remote sunbathing spot either way. This is a reason I enjoy countries like Italy. Rules being mere suggestions can be frustrating, but also great.
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Jun 15, 2021 16:41
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:My guess is that at any given point in time, someone was painting new erotic graffiti and someone else was painting over the graffiti. I wonder if erotic graffiti/art was covered under any of the various sumptuary laws.
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Grand Fromage posted:This is a reason I enjoy countries like Italy. Rules being mere suggestions can be frustrating, but also great. In Germany, everything that’s not explicitly allowed is forbidden. In France, everything that's not explicitly forbidden is allowed. In Italy, everything is allowed even if it is explicitly forbidden. In Soviet Russia, everything is forbidden even if it is explicitly allowed.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:This paper: https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/200783371.pdf It seems like the term for woad came from the term for blue, not the other way around. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I wonder if erotic graffiti/art was covered under any of the various sumptuary laws. You may only have a painting of a dong of a certain size if you are of a certain rank?
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Weka posted:It seems like the term for woad came from the term for blue, not the other way around. Well, from the word for "the blue-grey colour of the sea", going by that etymology link, but yeah.
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Anne Frank Funk posted:Lol at the 0 brothels in Pompeii hypothesis. Its a ritual area, some sort of worship, hmm yes 
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I wonder what would happen to the field of archaeology if you banned the phrase “some kind of ritual or religious purpose”.
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Strategic Tea posted:Its a ritual area, some sort of worship, hmm yes Sex is a type of eitual.
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galagazombie posted:I wonder what would happen to the field of archaeology if you banned the phrase “some kind of ritual or religious purpose”. They'd develop another variation of "idk."
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Purposes of social construction
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Tulip posted:They'd develop another variation of "idk." "idk" is a much more rigorous categorization than "religious or ritual purpose" imo the latter conveys a false sense of certainty that it's not a mundane item for a mundane purpose and too often serves to eliminate the concept of art for the sake of aesthetics from our conception of what ancient peoples were like. i don't know what bunch of weirdos decided that culture = religion but it's very bizarre
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Jazerus posted:"idk" is a much more rigorous categorization than "religious or ritual purpose" imo The impression I get is almost uniformly one of very low certainty. "May have ritual functions" is very commonly said because the barrier to propose it is almost zero (basically any object that people interact with, which is nearly all of them), but the barrier to disprove is really high. Which is kind of the nature of highly uncertain statements. The reason to not say it is that it's also by that virtue a very low information statement, but y'know if you don't say it then somebody will ask you how you eliminated that possibility.
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Jazerus posted:"idk" is a much more rigorous categorization than "religious or ritual purpose" imo It’s because religion is among the most prestigious (= best recorded) and probably also the most significant forms of ancient culture. People are fascinated by divinity and its paraphernalia, and they have a tendency to associate it with the distant past. (Which ancient peoples also had: think the legend of Zeus’ Cretan birth, or “I am the God of your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob”) Archaeologists and historians also kind of want to believe: to claim something they’ve found has religious or ritual purpose lends it a significance without which it would be easy for them or anyone else to ask what the hell is the point of digging this stuff up.
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the mundane purposes are much more exciting to me than claiming that every ancient hot dog stand was a temple and i'm a little skeptical of any archaeologist that doesn't agree
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Jazerus posted:the mundane purposes are much more exciting to me than claiming that every ancient hot dog stand was a temple and i'm a little skeptical of any archaeologist that doesn't agree I feel you. But it’s probably harder to write grants if all you got to show for it is archaic period hot dogs
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We already know the mystical stuff though, I want to see more ancient dick jokes.
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Lawman 0 posted:We already know the mystical stuff though, I want to see more ancient dick jokes. Why are you assuming these are different things?
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Just wait till everybody a thousand years from now finds all of our ritual or religious Funko Pops.
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skasion posted:It’s because religion is among the most prestigious (= best recorded) and probably also the most significant forms of ancient culture. People are fascinated by divinity and its paraphernalia, and they have a tendency to associate it with the distant past. (Which ancient peoples also had: think the legend of Zeus’ Cretan birth, or “I am the God of your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob”) Archaeologists and historians also kind of want to believe: to claim something they’ve found has religious or ritual purpose lends it a significance without which it would be easy for them or anyone else to ask what the hell is the point of digging this stuff up. Very rarely does ritual purposes actually get thrown out as a reason anymore in my experience, this is likely because we have a pretty solid foundation in a lot of areas and we can make better guesses. Also probably because we all realized its a bullshit copout and you get further by saying "I don't know but hey give me more money and let's find out" I'd also argue that religion is maybe a low third on the list of significance. Politics and agriculture/subsistence practices are pretty high imo. Also not a huge fan of the belief that we basically call it out as ritual in nature because we are trying to justify our jobs. Applied archaeology is a thing. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Jun 16, 2021 |
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Best recorded is a weird criteria but if we go with "This is what's most numerous in the recorded/examined archaeological record" then the answer is flaked stone scatters followed by ceramic scatters probably. If you go with "The data potential has been exhausted with these archaeological sites, and therefore we have done the best possible we can recording this site because no new information is likely" than the answer is still flaked stone scatters and ceramic scatters because its incredibly easy to exhaust the data potential of those two sites types. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Jun 16, 2021 |
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CleverHans posted:Just wait till everybody a thousand years from now finds all of our ritual or religious Funko Pops. This enormous silicon alien ovipositor may have been used for ritual or religious purposes.
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It never occurred to me that Lares is plural and the singular is Lar That owns.
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Me either, when my dad waa racking up points with the word "lare" in big boggle 
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CleverHans posted:Just wait till everybody a thousand years from now finds all of our ritual or religious Funko Pops. They're like ushabti, owned by people whose lives are over.
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Tree Bucket posted:They're like ushabti, owned by people whose lives are over. 
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The ACOUP this week might be particularly interesting to a bunch of people itt: https://acoup.blog/2021/06/25/collections-the-queens-latin-or-who-were-the-romans-part-ii-citizens-and-allies/ It's about how the Romans treated their citizens and subjects vs how contemporaries from their time did -- much better, basically. Which is apparently the main reason for their famously endless supply of manpower. Anyway he goes into it all in a lot more depth and I'd definitely recommend giving it a read.
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Koramei posted:The ACOUP this week might be particularly interesting to a bunch of people itt: https://acoup.blog/2021/06/25/collections-the-queens-latin-or-who-were-the-romans-part-ii-citizens-and-allies/ Seconded. It's an interesting series.
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Acoup is entertaining but sometimes crawls up his own rear end in a dumb way Like when he said that modern people easily recognize that courage requires different things in different contexts, but a native american and a roman soldier respectively wouldn't recognize holding your ground / doing a quick raid as courageous because their military tactics were different I have seen this sort of "historical figures had no imagination and could never conceive of the world being different from their immediate day-to-day lives, but I the big brained historian can" stuff creep into a few different pop historians and it is always grating.
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Tunicate posted:Acoup is entertaining but sometimes crawls up his own rear end in a dumb way I think this statement needs to be understood in its context, which is to criticize the idea of trans-historical "warrior values." The point is that our word "courage" elides the difference between virtues that are in a sense opposites.
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Yes. And i think it is fundamentally unsound to say a generalizable warrior identity can't exist because modern people generalize in a way that historical people were incapable of. Which is the crux of his argument there.
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