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mystes posted:ZFS vs BTRFS is clearly such an important issue that I think it should be given its own dedicated thread.
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btrfs and refs are the only two filesystems I've ever lost data to because of a power outage, both of which are filesystems whose purpose in life was to be scalable *and* reliable
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Jun 6, 2021 01:11
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scalable or reliable, pick none
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Jun 6, 2021 01:16
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more like 💤fs
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Jun 6, 2021 02:38
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is brtfs one of those projects where they're like "we're gonna do everything better than everybody else cause you're all too dumb to make a good filesystem" and then repeatedly fall flat on their faces
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Jun 6, 2021 04:41
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It's more like open source developers copying an enterprise product and falling flat on their faces (in before thread title)
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Jun 6, 2021 05:07
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It's actually astonishing how poo poo btrfs is. They designed a COW file system and then added a flag to turn off COW to look better in benchmarks. They managed to reimplement the raid write hole which would've been easy to avoid because, you know, COW. And then there's this listed on the gotcha page: raid1 volumes only mountable once RW if degraded The whole loving point of redundancy is to stay online and working until the broken part is replaced and they can't even do that. 
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Jun 6, 2021 09:00
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rw? if degraded? why would you want to mount rw if degraded
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Jun 6, 2021 09:12
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why isnt there any zfs bashing here? can you shrink volumes yet? excessive memory use? i've only ever lost data to xfs, and i've used btrfs on everything since 2014 even have a raid6 going for years. the only caveat with raid56 and btrfs now is that you should scrub if you suffer a power failure (write hole) (never combine lvm and btrfs though)
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Jun 6, 2021 09:17
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Antigravitas posted:and then added a flag to turn off COW to look better in benchmarks now you're just trolling are you saying that zfs cant turn off CoW on a per file/dir basis? how the hell can you run a database or a vm then
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You just run your db or vm like normal‽  You can turn off a lot of extra work your db engine is doing due to the assumed no-COW-ness of your fs, though. Tankakern posted:rw? if degraded? why would you want to mount rw if degraded To keep the system operational until the drive can be replaced. That's the whole point of having redundancy.
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Jun 6, 2021 11:37
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no wonder noone uses zfs for other than nas stuff
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Jun 6, 2021 13:05
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I only use ntfs because I use the correct operating system 
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Jun 6, 2021 17:25
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What a bunch of turds. Fat32 is all you need.
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Jun 6, 2021 19:33
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shoeberto posted:What a bunch of turds. Fat32 is all you need. if we're talking about turds, you're going to have to split your posts in half on fat32
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Jun 6, 2021 19:59
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Jun 6, 2021 19:59
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operating system poopknifing
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To be honest, fat32 is a dang simple filesystem to implement and is perfect for a single user operating system with limited resources. Or an sd card. The only real annoyance is the long file name implementation which is admittedly genious when allowing backwards compatibility but also a pain to code. And I can see the forward compatibility thinking that went into putting in unicode but it smacks of the whole "640k is enough for anyone" when it was hardcoded to be UTF16. On the other hand, this sort of thing probably makes system programming a little easier to secure, though.
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Thought it might be neat to try GhostBSD for the hell of it but if one was to dick around with an alternate OS might as well run Haiku then
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it wasn't hard coded to be UTF-16, it was hard coded to be Unicode. Unicode wasn't enlarged to a maximum of 1,112,064 code points until 1996
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Maximo Roboto posted:Thought it might be neat to try GhostBSD for the hell of it but if one was to dick around with an alternate OS might as well run Haiku then stay safe unix ghost
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Maximo Roboto posted:Thought it might be neat to try GhostBSD for the hell of it but if one was to dick around with an alternate OS might as well run Haiku then performance wise haiku is amazing. i can't imagine what i'd actually use it for, but it runs great
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plasma 5.22 is out https://kde.org/announcements/plasma/5/5.22.0/
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Jun 8, 2021 12:31
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freesync support in wayland might be a big deal
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nice that both of the major desktops are in pretty feature complete for wayland. the only major feature remaining is color management, which is understandably a huge, complicated feature given that in the last couple of years you suddenly have a lot more to consider, and getting it all to display properly on a mixed-use desktop is hard to get right
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this is gonna royally piss off some of you i needed to quickly check out the stability of a three-GET api call chain, so i wrote an almost trivial bash script with curl however, the times it printed out were off. instead of fractions of a second, it printed out integers in the million. the manual said the unit of time for -w should just be seconds googled it, turned out to be a bug in 7.74, fixed in the next release. cool. my debian-based distro didn't have 7.75+ in any repository. welp tried downgrading to 7.73, apt told me i had broken dependencies and i had no clue how to fix them. presumably i should have looked up the right version of every dependency and manually downgrade them tried downloading the 7.77 source code and compiling it, after a minute checking for useful stuff like whether I was running a HP-UX system it figured out i had to install openssl to compile i was about to do so, when i had a moment of inspiration and typed: code:
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Jun 15, 2021 13:46
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idgi. isnt running specific versions of things exactly what docker is for?
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Jun 15, 2021 13:58
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Jessie frazelle welcome to the forums
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I'm more mad that distros have such stupid poo poo that they do with curl. We have to install PPA backports of curl from Debian on our Ubuntu machines because Ubuntu disables SFTP by default, because reasons??? Clever workaround though imo. Can't wait until someone deploys it in prod and a decade later another yosposter shows up itt saying "look at this dumb poo poo I found when debugging latency issues"
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Jun 15, 2021 15:40
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shoeberto posted:.. that's job security for the future
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when you get taken to the devops Ministry of Love you learn that the future is docker images getting put inside other docker images, forever
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shoeberto posted:Clever workaround though imo. Can't wait until someone deploys it in prod and a decade later another yosposter shows up itt saying "look at this dumb poo poo I found when debugging latency issues" if i had to run the script in prod i would have used docker from the start, except i would have copied the image to a private repo and pinned the tag
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animist posted:when you get taken to the devops Ministry of Love you learn that the future is docker images getting put inside other docker images, forever docking
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Meanwhile, on Freenode:quote:[root] [Global Notice 1/3] We are moving past legacy freenode to a new fork. The new freenode is launched. You will slowly be disconnected and when you reconnect, you will be on the new freenode. We patiently await to welcome you in freedom's holdout - the freenode. So they split the network into two independent networks, using completely different services and account databases. No migration, no prior announcement. The old network is also netsplit itself. Nobody knows why they are moving a new ircd, but a developer of the one they are moving to said this: quote:I reiterate what I have said elsewhere: we (InspIRCd) will not work with the new freenode team and if they turn up in any of our project spaces they will be banned on sight. 
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Tankakern posted:plasma 5.22 is out quote:Another upgrade is that you can now select the audio devices' profiles directly from the Audio Volume widget in System Tray. This means, you can switch the audio output from the internal loudspeakers to, say, your TV via HDMI in just three clicks and without having to go through the audio configuration dialog. Just click on the hamburger menu beside the device you want to change and pick Profiles… from the drop down menu. feel like this change has been coming for a while, good to see they made this better
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Antigravitas posted:Meanwhile, on Freenode: they're moving to a new ircd because everyone who knew how the old ircd+servicesd worked quit and started libera. "freenode" has literally no knowledgeable sysops at all anymore
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That shouldn't be a problem, they could just go to their ircd's channel and ask for help 
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Tankakern posted:why isnt there any zfs bashing here? can you shrink volumes yet? excessive memory use? it just works for me. i don't have anything to complain about
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Tankakern posted:why isnt there any zfs bashing here? can you shrink volumes yet? excessive memory use?
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