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Thom12255 posted:I don't really get why he did so much stuff with Bill Orielly. Bill O'Reilly, Bill Kristol, and Mike Huckabee were frequent guests on the Daily Show because they all: - Were conservatives who were willing to appear multiple times. and - Were constantly on book tours. That is really it.
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I think people forget about the book/whatever media promotion aspect of the show like all talk shows.
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Jun 15, 2021 16:03
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The real problem with the lab leak theory is that it normalizes "correlation = causation" as a thought process, which is a huge victory for the anti-truth movement.
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Jun 15, 2021 16:04
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:The idea of 'just look how awful this thing/person is. Surely if I act like an adult and point out how awful this is then everyone will see it and agree it is awful.' was extremely strong back then, and was a huge part of his schtick. Admittedly it worked pretty well on Tucker Carlson. That Tucker was able to eventually crawl back is another issue, but Stewart punted him out of the game for a good while.
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Jun 15, 2021 16:05
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Back then it felt like all mass media was completely up Bush's rear end. So Jon Stewart being slightly not up Bush's rear end made him stand out in a good way, even if we can look back now and say "yikes" about a lot of his stuff under a 2021 standard.
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-Blackadder- posted:Admittedly it worked pretty well on Tucker Carlson. That Tucker was able to eventually crawl back is another issue, but Stewart punted him out of the game for a good while. It only seemed to radicalize him into probably one of the most dangerous fascists on the air so I don't know if I would count that as a win Kind of reminds me of another time a prominent conservative got humiliated on air and took revenge on the nation for it
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Feldegast42 posted:It only seemed to radicalize him into probably one of the most dangerous fascists on the air so I don't know if I would count that as a win I mean, honestly there may be some truth to that, but I thought we weren't accepting the argument that we're pushing conservatives toward Nazism by being mean to them on twitter. Isn't there even a cartoon about it? e: https://twitter.com/thenib/status/1027247065783574528 -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Jun 15, 2021 |
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Jun 15, 2021 16:13
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The lab leak theory also neatly sidesteps the issue that the research was saying 'Hey guys these viruses are running rampant in animals that live very close to large numbers of people and it's only a small mutation away from being a serious danger, possibly even a global pandemic!', and yet nothing was done to mitigate it.
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Jun 15, 2021 16:15
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Feldegast42 posted:It only seemed to radicalize him into probably one of the most dangerous fascists on the air so I don't know if I would count that as a win Tucker seems to be more of a grifter and opportunist than an ideologue. He would be preaching about the workers' control of the means of production if he got paid enough to do it.
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Jun 15, 2021 16:16
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Thom12255 posted:He seemed pretty cool 10 years ago on the daily show but everytime he comes on Colberts show now he just seems odd. Brain rot after retirement when you don't have anything productive to occupy your time is very real. Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż
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Jun 15, 2021 16:17
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Jon pulled a Disney on his writers after the writers guild strike a while back so he can gently caress off.
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Bootleg Trunks posted:Jon pulled a Disney on his writers after the writers guild strike a while back so he can gently caress off. I blame it on Jon hanging around NYPD guys too much for his 9/11 stuff.
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Let's assume someone from the lab accidently (or nefariously on purpose!) let a deadly virus out into the wild (with Wuhan as ground zero) So what? how does that put the genie back in the bottle? how does that make the lack of response with months of forewarning better? how does it make the CDC's "WASH YOUR VEGGIES AND CEREAL WITH SOAP" and "masks probably don't do anything" early response any better? I don't really understand what the point of Jon's 8 minute rant about the "Wuhan Coronavirus" was and it was weird. Ra Ra Rasputin fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Jun 15, 2021 |
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Let's assume someone from the lab accidently (or nefariously on purpose!) let a deadly virus out into the wild. Like I said, many people are looking for something or someone to blame. it's really easy to blame some faceless people in Wuhan China than it is to realize that Dr Fauci and the CDC may not actually have your best interest at heart.
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Jun 15, 2021 16:26
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I'm surprised there hasn't been a "China was warned in advance and all masked up and vaccinated themselves with their own secret vaccines prior to the virus getting out" similar to the "Jews stayed home on 9/11" thing. Or if there has I guess I just tuned it out as so much white noise
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Jun 15, 2021 16:28
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Giuliani and Meadows were trying real hard to stage a coup https://twitter.com/srl/status/1404810715932905475 https://twitter.com/srl/status/1404811430847827974
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Deteriorata posted:Tucker seems to be more of a grifter and opportunist than an ideologue. He would be preaching about the workers' control of the means of production if he got paid enough to do it. Idea forna goon project. Let's crowdfund Tucker's new Communism, Now show. Dubar posted:The real problem with the lab leak theory is that it normalizes "correlation = causation" as a thought process, which is a huge victory for the anti-truth movement. Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Let's assume someone from the lab accidently (or nefariously on purpose!) let a deadly virus out into the wild (with Wuhan as ground zero) But it's absolutely important to find out the origin of the outbreak, at the very least to fix the procedures that led to the virus escaping containment if it did get out of a lab.
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Jun 15, 2021 16:33
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:The idea of 'just look how awful this thing/person is. Surely if I act like an adult and point out how awful this is then everyone will see it and agree it is awful.' was extremely strong back then, and was a huge part of his schtick. This is *still* the MO of the institutional Democratic party. It's so loving damaging.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Let's assume someone from the lab accidently (or nefariously on purpose!) let a deadly virus out into the wild (with Wuhan as ground zero) It doesn't in terms of the current pandemic, but a thorough, scientific, and public study of how the virus mutated and how the current pandemic came to be seems like the kind of thing that probably saves trillions of dollars and millions of lives in the future. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Like I said, many people are looking for something or someone to blame. it's really easy to blame some faceless people in Wuhan China than it is to realize that Dr Fauci and the CDC may not actually have your best interest at heart. Uh... why do you think that Fauci was intentionally helping spread to COVID? Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Jun 15, 2021 |
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Jun 15, 2021 16:36
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It's a pretense for war. Deep down, they know that. They want to warmonger, they're jonesing for it.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Back then it felt like all mass media was completely up Bush's rear end. So Jon Stewart being slightly not up Bush's rear end made him stand out in a good way, even if we can look back now and say "yikes" about a lot of his stuff under a 2021 standard. Plenty of people were saying "yikes" back then but they were drowned out by the idiot libs hootering and hollering every time he claimed the truth was in the middle and did a funny face at the camera.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah. he did some genuinely good poo poo but he is a product of his time mixed with going up his own rear end. Colbert is still a cool and good dude though. Stephen Colbert had Henry loving Kissinger on as a 'friend of the show' multiple times so he can gently caress right off too. Also he killed Harvey Birdman, which is arguably a greater sin.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's a pretense for war. Deep down, they know that. They want to warmonger, they're jonesing for it. Nobody's going to start a war with China. There is a drive to isolate China geopolitically, and the virus stuff may be useful for that.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's a pretense for war. Deep down, they know that. They want to warmonger, they're jonesing for it. You beat me to it. I was going to say that what unsettles me about the "Wuhan lab" conspiracy is not so much that a conspiracy theory is gaining so much mainstream attention, but that it feels similar to the WMD lie leading up to the Iraq war in 2003. e: Even if it's not a shooting war, it feels like the country is priming itself for a cold war of sorts with China for....reasons? I don't really understand the motives other than racism.
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Deteriorata posted:Tucker seems to be more of a grifter and opportunist than an ideologue. He would be preaching about the workers' control of the means of production if he got paid enough to do it. Tucker is an heir to a tv dinner fortune and probably makes more walking to the mailbox every month than he does from his tv gig. He is documented, since his early days in the 90s on random DC public access news shows, to be obsessed with race. He was mildly restrained while at CNN but left that gig to buy Newsmax and turn it into even more of a right wing rag before ending up back at Fox news where he's become what we know now. Hannity is a grifter. He's some dumb former shock jock with barely a semester of college education. Tucker is the real deal.
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Seems like a bad idea to discount an origin theory out of hand because it might be used to further a racist message. Objectively examining things like this isn’t an attempt to re-bottle the genie, but understand and identify failures - the same objectivity should be applied to the response, but root causes are equally important. I’ll agree that natural transmission is the more likely theory at this point, but there’s smoking gun evidence missing there, too.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:You beat me to it. I was going to say that what unsettles me about the "Wuhan lab" conspiracy is not so much that a conspiracy theory is gaining so much mainstream attention, but that it feels similar to the WMD lie leading up to the Iraq war in 2003. It seems weird that you have enough imagination to be certain that "they" are starting a war with China, but even in the scenario where you are correct, you literally can't think of a single reason why anyone would have a conflict with China except for anti-asian racism?
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Deteriorata posted:Nobody's going to start a war with China. Indeed, pretty much everyone, on both the left and right, and both in the U.S. and U.S. allies are starting to get worried about China's rising global influence and power. No idea if the fears are legit or if it's just bog standard racism, but if there's any current government that seems like it would be an even more vicious and cruel global leader than the U.S., it's China.
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PeterCat posted:He's now against the AUMF he voted for? He's not allowed to change his mind? It has been nearly two decades, after all.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:You beat me to it. I was going to say that what unsettles me about the "Wuhan lab" conspiracy is not so much that a conspiracy theory is gaining so much mainstream attention, but that it feels similar to the WMD lie leading up to the Iraq war in 2003. it seems like the ruling class realize how divided and close to civil war the country is and is doing the classic "build up and start a (cold) war against an enemy to rally everyone around the flag" play This, uh, hasn't worked that well historically in the past, especially when the country in question is decayed to the roots And given that they aren't doing anything to stop democracy from being subverted it especially doesn't seem very bright at this point Feldegast42 fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Jun 15, 2021 |
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:You beat me to it. I was going to say that what unsettles me about the "Wuhan lab" conspiracy is not so much that a conspiracy theory is gaining so much mainstream attention, but that it feels similar to the WMD lie leading up to the Iraq war in 2003. If nothing else it definitely feels like it's leading up to an economic war with excuses to do more sanctions & tariffs, which feels odd to do while talking about inflation concerns because that sure as heck ain't gonna help with consumer prices.
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Srice posted:If nothing else it definitely feels like it's leading up to an economic war with excuses to do more sanctions & tariffs, which feels odd to do while talking about inflation concerns because that sure as heck ain't gonna help with consumer prices. We literally just lifted the majority of tariffs on China a few months ago and one of the long-standing goals of the US has been to get China to agree to bilateral tariff waivers. If this was their goal, then they are doing a very bad job at it.
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Feldegast42 posted:it seems like the ruling class realize how divided and close to civil war the country is and is doing the classic "build up and start a (cold) war against an enemy to rally everyone around the flag" play Yeah, rechannel all of the discontent into a foreign enemy that, conveniently, is responsible for the pandemic we've been dealing with. To answer LeonTrotsky: I'll admit that I'm not familiar with all the sources of the conflict with China, but it seems like a combination of some legitimate concerns with a lot of racism.
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-Blackadder- posted:Indeed, pretty much everyone, on both the left and right, and both in the U.S. and U.S. allies are starting to get worried about China's rising global influence and power. No idea if the fears are legit or if it's just bog standard racism, but if there's any current government that seems like it would be an even more vicious and cruel global leader than the U.S., it's China. China hasn't been invading and occupying other countries for the better part of a century for reasons like "communism bad" and "oil good". They're kicking the poo poo out of us economically because the ownership class in the US decided that outsourcing all of our production for cheap labor was a great move that would never backfire.
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Bishyaler posted:China hasn't been invading and occupying other countries for the better part of a century I have some bad news for you...
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Not exactly USpol but stuff like this has a way of becoming fodder for the anti-nuoe crowds and something I feel is news worthy globally. https://twitter.com/austinramzy/status/1404292778046021634?s=19 As of now it seems minor, but it's hard to say how transparent everyone is being. Also doesn't help with the currently slew of asian hatred going on ☹️
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Bishyaler posted:China hasn't been invading and occupying other countries for the better part of a century for reasons like "communism bad" and "oil good". They're kicking the poo poo out of us economically because the ownership class in the US decided that outsourcing all of our production for cheap labor was a great move that would never backfire. I guess you might have a point with the "communism bad" part. But even just looking at the past decade, you should probably pay more attention to what they've been doing in the South China Sea: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-china-drilling/china-drills-deep-in-disputed-south-china-sea-idUSKBN2BV21L Kalit fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Jun 15, 2021 |
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SimonChris posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yC7-JsR2Fk quote:That question inspired a new play that restages parts of the three 2016 presidential debates word-for-word and gesture-for-gesture – but with a woman depicting Donald Trump and a man playing Hillary Clinton. SKULL.GIF posted:You also have examples of politicians like Rashida Tlaib who aren't afraid to be bold and outspoken and have benefited from it. In the meantime, I do think it's worth all of us looking at the literature and evaluating for ourselves how much of what we see as "not afraid" (as you say above), "authentic", and "effective messaging" in our politicians is more burdensome or comes with greater risks for politicos who aren't white men.
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The last nail in Jon's coffin https://twitter.com/MeghanMcCain/status/1404764279593701380?s=20
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:We literally just lifted the majority of tariffs on China a few months ago and one of the long-standing goals of the US has been to get China to agree to bilateral tariff waivers. It's really weird that all the "WE'RE GOING TO WAR WITH CHINA!!1!" folks keep ignoring this, or the fact that we still have normal diplomatic relations with China. None of the recent cyberattacks have been attributed to China either, so I really don't understand the origins of this conspiracy theory.
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