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Raskolnikov38 posted:like look at their “media criticism thread” that has absolutely zero discussion or mention of anything resembling source criticism. instead you have this garbage from a dipshit that couldn’t pass the bar Lol holy gently caress russiagate is the gift that keeps on giving. Libs just can't help but love fascist ideals
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Jun 16, 2021 12:58
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Obviously it was the Russians that planted the vial of washing powder to Powell
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Jun 16, 2021 13:04
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Break the “Pentagon Papers Principle:” this fuckin rocks
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Jun 16, 2021 13:06
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Raskolnikov38 posted:like look at their “media criticism thread” that has absolutely zero discussion or mention of anything resembling source criticism. instead you have this garbage from a dipshit that couldn’t pass the bar Would have been bad if there was a foreign adversary in Elsberg's time, wouldn't it?
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Jun 16, 2021 13:07
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That's one-for-one the same scam Twitter tried to run on the Grayzone by tagging any links to their article as "These materials may have been obtained through hacking". The article in question was an expose on how the UK government was sponsoring attempts by the BBC and Reuters to broadcast regime-change propaganda against Russia. This would result in some amusing uses of the tag: https://twitter.com/genius_posting/status/1364727802969350144 The basic idea is that they cannot dispute the findings, so they attack the messenger: you're supposed to learn to doubt or disregard the claims made not because they aren't true, but because the person saying it is supposedly saying it with a direct political agenda. This is, of course, bullshit: of course the Grayzone wants to uncover that the UK is involved in regime change operations, and of course they want to uncover that the BBC and Reuters are not "unbiased" or "neutral" media organizations. For people to be aware of that is a good thing! You don't just get to throw out the message just because the implications make your world-view uncomfortable!
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Jun 16, 2021 13:08
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Raskolnikov38 posted:like look at their “media criticism thread” that has absolutely zero discussion or mention of anything resembling source criticism. instead you have this garbage from a dipshit that couldn’t pass the bar that's amazing thankfully social media now marks important news with an exclamation point like so https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1364288369451294720 lmfao e;fb
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Jun 16, 2021 13:08
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Raskolnikov38 posted:like look at their “media criticism thread” that has absolutely zero discussion or mention of anything resembling source criticism. instead you have this garbage from a dipshit that couldn’t pass the bar lol
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Jun 16, 2021 13:08
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Truga posted:i linked the wapo piece saying "it's not genocide" when someone said genocide deniers are literally worse than hitler in d&d and got a 6h probe for it lol I got a 24h probe for saying that Ukrainian nazi Belarus grabbed was a nazi
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Jun 16, 2021 13:10
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imagine if nixon had come up with the idea of saying the pentagon papers or watergate were nothingburgers because reading them was just what the russians wanted the only explanation i can come up with for why politicians didnt just do that all the time during the cold war was because they had a sense of shame however meager
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Jun 16, 2021 13:11
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gradenko_2000 posted:That's one-for-one the same scam Twitter tried to run on the Grayzone by tagging any links to their article as "These materials may have been obtained through hacking". and guess what happens when you try to apply the same standard back at them. try explicitly rejecting every major news source that pushed the iraq war without clicking any of the articles, lol
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Jun 16, 2021 13:12
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Some Guy TT posted:imagine if nixon had come up with the idea of saying the pentagon papers or watergate were nothingburgers because reading them was just what the russians wanted the reason why the establishment went along with the Pentagon Papers was because it made the Pentagon look bad. Snowden's own expose made the NSA look bad. Chelsea Manning's leaked documents made the US Army look bad. Even the Iran-Contra investigations only went as far as the specific deals for the arms to Iran, in exchange for money to go to the Contras. Did Congress ever look into who the Contras were and how they got there? Of course not. Who isn't getting harmful leaks dumped out into the open? the CIA
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Jun 16, 2021 13:13
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Raskolnikov38 posted:like look at their “media criticism thread” that has absolutely zero discussion or mention of anything resembling source criticism. instead you have this garbage from a dipshit that couldn’t pass the bar quote:journalists have generally operated under a single rule: Once information is authenticated, if it is newsworthy, publish it. imagine being so removed from reality that you sincerely believe this
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Jun 16, 2021 13:15
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by the standards set forth in in the d&d media literacy thread one would have to denounce the Katyn massacre as nazi propaganda
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Jun 16, 2021 13:18
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GoLambo posted:so is everywhere on this forum outside of C-SPAM running with the genocide consensus? Like even after all this obvious stuff has come out to deconstruct the basic zenz birthrate poo poo as being extremely suspect or just outright bad math? I thought these nerds loved to talk about data and stuff, but I guess enough guardian pieces have been written that it seems to basically be canon now. I have noticed Xinjiang news on r/worldnews getting slightly more questions and criticism on the Zenz. However I do not know if netizens are getting more educated or there are just more Chinese getting online. I am old and have been banned many times over in sites older than reddit, so I don't have the energy to reply (reddit also have extremely bad UI for discussion). But good for people who are fighting the good fight.
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Jun 16, 2021 13:21
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Raskolnikov38 posted:like look at their “media criticism thread” that has absolutely zero discussion or mention of anything resembling source criticism. instead you have this garbage from a dipshit that couldn’t pass the bar holy lmao they actually went there don't whistleblow our poor downtrodden state department that guy is so loving stupid lol
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Jun 16, 2021 13:34
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my guess is the new census is making it much harder to ignore the fact that measuring the birthrate drop between 2017 and 2019 was an obvious cherry pick
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Jun 16, 2021 13:35
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Raskolnikov38 posted:media literacy thread
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Jun 16, 2021 13:42
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democracy dies in darkness
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Jun 16, 2021 14:29
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thatfatkid posted:We're the genocide denying forum because apparently only "tankie" are able to put geopolitics into context and actually dig into the so-called evidence of genocide. look it's simple, the Chinese government is making up entire towns worth of people and jailing anyone who goes 'wait what no that's fake', and have hidden mass graves that are unable to be seen from the massive international web of surveillance aircraft that pass over the area daily, and from the many people who can just freely come and go in the area too. We know they're doing this because of reports from a group prominently featuring a man who wants to 'Christianize China' that mainly use reports from Kazaks, a group not being claimed to be genocided in the region, and literal drawings of 'wouldn't it be bad if they were doing this???' because nobody can provide actual pictures or the like. And, if you don't believe this you're a conspiracy theorist who's too stupid to acknowledge what's so clear we don't even need solid proof for.
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Jun 16, 2021 14:29
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sexpig by night posted:look it's simple, the Chinese government is making up entire towns worth of people and jailing anyone who goes 'wait what no that's fake', and have hidden mass graves that are unable to be seen from the massive international web of surveillance aircraft that pass over the area daily, and from the many people who can just freely come and go in the area too. We know they're doing this because of reports from a group prominently featuring a man who wants to 'Christianize China' that mainly use reports from Kazaks, a group not being claimed to be genocided in the region, and literal drawings of 'wouldn't it be bad if they were doing this???' because nobody can provide actual pictures or the like. My favorite James Bond plot is and probably will be the Uyghur version of Nayirah making an international phone call and finding Xi's top secret plan for invading Europe in prison and somehow able to escape the entire region unscathed.
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Jun 16, 2021 14:41
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Ten years ago liberals bigged themselves up on being "reality" or "truth based" in opposition to conservative ideology, but now reality is inconvenient for their own meager political agenda that can only advance interests on the margins at best - therefore truth is now a subjective instrument with political weight and you can deny it so long as it serves "progress." They're all so transparently cynical and only for the most pathetic reasons. It's loving infuriating. None of what they're doing this for is even worth it.GoLambo posted:so is everywhere on this forum outside of C-SPAM running with the genocide consensus? Like even after all this obvious stuff has come out to deconstruct the basic zenz birthrate poo poo as being extremely suspect or just outright bad math? I thought these nerds loved to talk about data and stuff, but I guess enough guardian pieces have been written that it seems to basically be canon now. There are still plenty of posters in C-SPAM who absent mindedly accept the genocide consensus. You shouldn't mistake this thread for some kind of totalizing CSPAM viewpoint.
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Jun 16, 2021 14:59
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idk why China would fudge census numbers when they’re pretty open about the carceral repressive poo poo they’re doing in Xinjiang
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Jun 16, 2021 15:04
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Cookie Cutter posted:Yep, and I'm the one who gets accused of being brainwashed! I've even offered to share my sources with people I've disagreed with and the reply has come back "I don't want to read anything you read because I'm worried it might be propaganda." That is a verbatim quote from a conversation with a friend of mine, as if it's like magic and reading an article instantly transforms you into a Red Guard. lib brained people have been taught by our barbarian 17th century metaphysics we call science that reality is not objective but subjectively based on our experiences we do not subjectively interpret the objective world but the world is nothing but an abstraction of a consensus reality so the lib brained barbarian believes that the most important abstraction, words, will change reality. words referencing other words referencing other words. But never reality itself my god, what if you reference the wrong words? reality shifts consensus is imperiled the center cannot hold! Madness
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Jun 16, 2021 15:23
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Jun 16, 2021 15:27
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sexpig by night posted:look it's simple, the Chinese government is making up entire towns worth of people and jailing anyone who goes 'wait what no that's fake', and have hidden mass graves that are unable to be seen from the massive international web of surveillance aircraft that pass over the area daily, and from the many people who can just freely come and go in the area too. We know they're doing this because of reports from a group prominently featuring a man who wants to 'Christianize China' that mainly use reports from Kazaks, a group not being claimed to be genocided in the region, and literal drawings of 'wouldn't it be bad if they were doing this???' because nobody can provide actual pictures or the like. Obviously it's always been the case to this or that extent, but it feels like the liberal distortion of reality really took off during the obama era and the reporting and cheering of the destruction of libya and syria (which the state department cosplaying freaks in d&d loved and sucked off brown moses for). Russiagate and then the hysteria over china continued from there. I was listening to the RWN episode on the bangladesh independence war, and they played a clip from nbc or some other mainstream american broadcaster from 1971 that ran sharply against US government policy (which was backing pakistan's genocide there to the hilt). It's impossible to imagine consistent mainstream reporting today that's overtly adversarial to the aims of the natsec blob - witness how quickly the guardian was neutralized after the snowden leaks mila kunis has issued a correction as of 15:34 on Jun 16, 2021 |
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Jun 16, 2021 15:32
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Palladium posted:Even the State Dept admitted there isn't enough evidence and these are also the guys with a thousand satellites that can see a loving car plate and every incentive to use them in Chynaaaa To "prove" it's genocide. It's still genocide according to state department though. https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelin...nies-yet-again/
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Jun 16, 2021 15:32
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indigi posted:idk why China would fudge census numbers when they’re pretty open about the carceral repressive poo poo they’re doing in Xinjiang yeah it's obviously a double standard when you can use Chinese state census numbers to conclude that a genocide is happening in Xinjiang and then turn around and say that these latest numbers are fake and made-up and unreliable
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Jun 16, 2021 15:35
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I sure am glad that we have the Chinese government to provide an accurate picture of what's happening in Xinjiang. Case closed
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Jun 16, 2021 15:46
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i salute the brave and better paid members of the 50 cent army for their sacrificial probes in d&d. i will not be joining them as i have written d&d off once i ate a 7 day probe for posting references in reply to a question.
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Jun 16, 2021 16:44
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fart simpson posted:and guess what happens when you try to apply the same standard back at them. try explicitly rejecting every major news source that pushed the iraq war without clicking any of the articles, lol What is this probe lmao quote:Your post history shows no mention of the word "Tromboner", why is that?
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Jun 16, 2021 16:45
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stephenthinkpad posted:So what is the original argument? What is the one Taiwanese food that was not origined from Chinese regional cruisaine? Kavalan whiskey
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Jun 16, 2021 17:01
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crepeface posted:americans are doing cultural genoicde to south korea and kpop is their retaliatory strike i thought kpop was mostly in the style of genres that originated in the west like rap and pop. better produced than europeans or americans do most of the time, but still that style. is there any traditional korean music that has influenced kpop.
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Jun 16, 2021 17:05
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Atrocious Joe posted:i thought kpop was mostly in the style of genres that originated in the west like rap and pop. better produced than europeans or americans do most of the time, but still that style. I listened to a bunch of it yesterday to try to understand the appeal and it’s exactly this, not really better produced musically but they put out much better stage shows/videos than most acts. also there’s a lot more tv/streaming integration than American acts which helps build a strong allegiance it’s fine, nothing special musically. I’m happy for the people who love it
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Jun 16, 2021 17:09
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Atrocious Joe posted:i thought kpop was mostly in the style of genres that originated in the west like rap and pop. better produced than europeans or americans do most of the time, but still that style. it is an assult that that has been endured, studied and concentrated to be returned in a more powerful form. the origins remain in the west, but it has been enhanced beyond our wildest dreams. bts: back to sender. edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8LxORztUWY
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Jun 16, 2021 17:13
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crepeface posted:i salute the brave and better paid members of the 50 cent army for their sacrificial probes in d&d. i will not be joining them as i have written d&d off once i ate a 7 day probe for posting references in reply to a question. Indeed. DND is a containment zone. There's no reason to go there. Let a lone post there.
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Jun 16, 2021 17:26
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Homeless Friend posted:its incredible to think that other countries think of the stuff we eat as food or cuisine lol https://i.imgur.com/etHlerK.mp4  stephenthinkpad posted:Weren't the Dutch activities were essentially fur trader type business bases like what the Russians were doing in the far far east and French doing in Northern America around the same time? I am fuzzy on the history of that era.  
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Jun 16, 2021 17:31
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5. Build your news organization’s muscle for determining the origin and nature of viral information. A responsible newsroom would never take the authenticity of leaked or other non-public content at face value because the authenticity of the content goes to the very heart of its newsworthiness the only legit sources are CIA press releases
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Jun 16, 2021 17:38
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Raskolnikov38 posted:5. Build your news organization’s muscle for determining the origin and nature of viral information. A responsible newsroom would never take the authenticity of leaked or other non-public content at face value because the authenticity of the content goes to the very heart of its newsworthiness eh I think authenticating/verifying poo poo is pretty important or it can kill your
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Jun 16, 2021 17:42
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 https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1405057534856097795 https://twitter.com/niveaforman1/status/1405143709851611136 https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the-meaning-of/japanese-word-9b30ac81c7ff88e8e0335c6d29f72adc36aafb4e.html  https://twitter.com/razibkhan/status/1405027124373819398 https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2020...the-han-chinese quote:Unsurprisingly, the authors find that the southern samples from Fujian seem most similar to Austronesians. Today no one from these regions is “pure” southern. Rather, they are a mix. The Austronesians migrated out early enough that they carry southern East Asian ancestry exclusively. This recapitulates a common phenomenon where the ancestral “homeland” of a given group changes over time, reducing the ability to infer origins (e.g., the percentage of “Middle Eastern” ancestry in Southern Europe was underestimated because Anatolian farmers were partially replaced in Anatolia by migrants from the east). http://faculty.washington.edu/stevehar/Stainton%20Aboriginal%20Politics.pdf    
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crepeface posted:it is an assult that that has been endured, studied and concentrated to be returned in a more powerful form. the origins remain in the west, but it has been enhanced beyond our wildest dreams. kinda like Maoism
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