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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

pan is all and cyto is cell, i think, penia is obviosly dick. All your cats cells are dick.

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keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Being more racist strategy working well for Labour

https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1405208052719030274

Scikar
Nov 20, 2005

5? Seriously?

Endjinneer posted:

You're friends with Field Marshal Douglas Haig?

Just want to give this a :golfclap: from a few pages back because it doesn't deserve to go under the radar.

Guavanaut posted:

I think out of all the awful things described in there the bit that really just made me go :brexit: was

Small private companies can do that. They probably shouldn't, but they can. And that's why you should never let them manage vulnerable people or run prisons etc.

And of course it's run by an ex-police officer. The few bad apples rot the whole barrel, and then go on to create new barrels just to rot those as well.

e: Also thanks for the cat info. I feed my cat Applaws but fortunately seems the bag I have is from the last batch before the recalled ones. I'm giving him wet food only for now until more info is available.

Scikar fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jun 16, 2021

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

WhatEvil posted:

Big cat food recall. Let your cat-owning friends know:

https://twitter.com/holly/status/1405160932779700226?s=20

Man that is bad news.

Luckily I had never heard of any of those brands of Cat Food before today.
Except for Applaws which I saw in the Range on Monday. I even debated about buying it for my mum's cat as he is super fussy over food. I'm glad I didn't.

Stay safe cat people.

Xemloth
Mar 27, 2011

Wait, what?



WhatEvil posted:

Big cat food recall. Let your cat-owning friends know:

https://twitter.com/holly/status/1405160932779700226?s=20

That's pretty interesting! Where I work we've signed up to a study because the recent increase in pancytopaenic cats had been noticed, so a lot of practices have been collating information

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


bessantj posted:

This is where you need people filming this and posting it to youtube and twitter. The media will just report what Hamas are doing.

Even when recorded, like say :nms: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpmthhsDTiE :nms: (watch from 50s onwards) from last month, it is often pre- and post- faced with "oh and the hamas are bad", as in that video.

Anyway I don't really care nor am I some Hamas apologist, but it's hard to watch things like this and not feel upset at the rhetoric of the Israeli government a bit.

e: To be clear that's a video accompanying an article titled:

Live TV shows Israeli mob attack motorist they believed to be an Arab

yet despite that it's only given a short segment in the middle.

And even then: "community violence in some towns" a.k.a. a man beaten to the point of clinging to life for driving home from work in the second biggest city.


Private Speech fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Jun 16, 2021

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

Guavanaut posted:

Looking at everything from intentional communities to fugitive slave groups to the pre-drainage Fenlands to 'wild' Irish families in West Ulster, I figure ~20ish is the bare minimum where you have enough labor surplus to do things like dig irrigation ditches and make permanent structures and have people making soap and bread and stuff without risking collapsing the fundamentals, so you're no longer just surviving, and 50-100 is about the point where the proto-society can start seriously investing that surplus into structural improvements.

If you're not careful though eventually you reach the point where you produce Thatcherites who deny that that's how anything happens.

That and there are enough people that you can go and talk to some different people and not always be with the same people.

This post randomly reminded me of this bizarre article I stumbled across on a Wiki rabbit hole

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2

A massive biosphere habitat built in Arizona in the 80s/90s to test a completely sealed-off system for doing stuff in space. On the first mission, the small crew split into two factions that hated each other. I feel like that effect would be less pronounced the more people you had.

The thing that made me do a double-take when I first read the article: the first mission didn't go so well, so they hired Steve Bannon to run it.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Yes, the social development part is vastly improved by having more people to talk to and more structure, which in itself improves the society.

lmao at "everyone is divided and tribal, let's get Steve Bannon in" tho.

Scikar posted:

And of course it's run by an ex-police officer. The few bad apples rot the whole barrel, and then go on to create new barrels just to rot those as well.
Yup, of course it's the ex-copper who thinks that everything needs to be run more like policing.

Education? Why not just throw the kids in prison if they fail their exams instead of wasting time talking to them?

Oncology? ASBO if you get cancer imo. :cop:

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Bobstar posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2

A massive biosphere habitat built in Arizona in the 80s/90s to test a completely sealed-off system for doing stuff in space. On the first mission, the small crew split into two factions that hated each other. I feel like that effect would be less pronounced the more people you had.

if Football Manager has taught me anything it's that when your group splits into two core groups the best solution is to sell off whichever lot are performing worse

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

Bobby Deluxe posted:

My medical latin is rusty as a canal bike, but doesn't pancytopenia mean something like 'all of the blood in your cat is severely hosed?' That sounds bad. Stay safe catgirls.

It means all your blood cell counts drop. So it affects oxygen carriage (red cells), immunity (white cells) and clotting (platelets). If it's mild your kitty will probably just feel a little poo poo. If it's bad they'll suffer the equivalent of heart attacks and strokes while being at risk of life threatening infections and bleeding out from minor injuries.

This is usually because something has made your bone marrow seriously unhappy and it's called a general strike until working conditions improve. I'm struggling to think how something in food production could have gone so disastrously wrong that food can induce this. For humans the usual ways you end up in that state is radiation, poison and chemotherapy (aka poison).

Z the IVth fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Jun 16, 2021

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
At the age of 8 when they made me watch Threads at school I made a very definite decision that I didn't want to survive the apocalypse and if the four minute warning went off I'd just walk out into the street and try and get as close as possible to a likely target. Almost 4 decades on and I feel no need whatsoever to change that decision. Just get it over with nice and quickly - none of this "Having to rediscover how to smelt" poo poo, or trying to work out how to sterilise dressings so people don't just die the first time they slip when shaving. Most of all none of this "having to talk to my neighbours for more than the absolute minimum required for politeness" bollocks. Don't get me wrong, I like my neighbours, but one of the things I like most about them is they get on with their poo poo and I get on with mine. I don't want or need to forge a strong community to help protect from The Others. (I suspect this is why I always loving hated Cubs and particularly camping with them).

Alas the threats we face nowadays are rather slower than the cleansing fire of SS18 Satan, and whether I like it or not as an old white man in the West I'm likely to be forced to survive it whether I want to or not. I mean this is the fundamental point of climate change, it's an almost-literal boiling lobster situation; there'll never be an "Oh gently caress" moment, poo poo (for us in the West at least) will just mostly keep on going, getting grimmer and grimmer. I mean maybe right at the end there might be some canned sunshine being lobbed around as we fight over whatever bits of former permafrost are now the only viable agricultural land on the planet, but I doubt anyone will care enough at that point to even bother pressing the button.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Z the IVth posted:

For humans the usual ways you end up in that state is radiation, poison and chemotherapy (aka poison).

Plenty of fungal and plant compounds that have these kind of cytostatic/cytotoxic effects. E.g. taxis brevifolia, the yew tree, whose bark was the basis for most chemo treatments and derivatives in the last 50 years

Marmaduke!
May 19, 2009

Why would it do that!?
I've watched Snowpiercer and played Frostpunk so I'm prepared for the inevitable extreme ice age that is definitely on the cards, global warming global schwarming.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Guavanaut posted:

Yes, the social development part is vastly improved by having more people to talk to and more structure, which in itself improves the society.

lmao at "everyone is divided and tribal, let's get Steve Bannon in" tho.

Yup, of course it's the ex-copper who thinks that everything needs to be run more like policing.

Education? Why not just throw the kids in prison if they fail their exams instead of wasting time talking to them?

Oncology? ASBO if you get cancer imo. :cop:

Great. They want everything to be the kind of world Charles Dickens railed against. "Are there no prisons? No workhouses?" Debtor's prisons for everybody, then have them beg the more dfortunate, whilst being taken for everything whilst inside, which turned jails and prisons into crime generators(You learns everything from the others in there, and the guards were corrupt as a matter of course).

A world of trampling and being trampled on, a world that will become not less but more merciless as it refines itself. Bleh.

Bloodly fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jun 16, 2021

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
Okay that was an extremely dark post when it was actually meant to be funny, I think the heat is getting to me.

Speaking of - I have formally abandoned that walking blog idea I had. I tried, I really, really loving tried, but I just couldn't get it to a point I felt happy with sharing it even with the essentially sympathetic audience here and with my RL friends and family. I just couldn't get it right - I cracked the issues with tone, and timings, and almost everything else - but I just couldn't get the flow, the cadence, right.

(Serious wankhattery about ~my creative process~ coming up so for gods sake feel free to skip, but as you know I like to talk this stuff out)

So basically I completed three complete rewrites and two recordings of the first one, and two completely different drafts and a full record of the second. The first was the one I initially discussed here - the timings were all wrong, it felt far too monolithic, and it would have bored even the biggest nerd about such things to tears (I know, being that biggest nerd).

At the suggestion of someone ITT I instead broke it up into much smaller chunks, letting my audience pick and choose where they went and also fixing most of the timing issues. Once I recorded this I realised it sounded really, really weird. It was just me reading out an effortpost, and there just didn't feel like there was a connection. If this idea was to work, it sort of had to feel like I was actually there with you as you looked at the point where Princess Margaret *allegedly* went on the piss with the Kray Brothers. I'm not Mike Duncan, I can't get away with just sounding authoritative, because what I'm mostly talking about isn't of any great import, it's literal trivia.

So, third rewrite, second re-record - I instead plotted it out and performed it like a standup performance. No actual script, just lines to land on that connected the places I wanted to go both physically and conceptually. This actually was a lot of fun to do but of course the timings then went *completely* to poo poo. If and when I actually start doing this IRL (and I'm genuinely considering it as a side-hustle if I ever lose my job) I think it'll work really, really well because of course you get that interactivity and I can go long or pull things in as needed to - but for something that someone is just going to listen to... nah. I just couldn't see it. Or hear it, whatever.

A talented editor (script *and* audio) might be able to pull it together but the other absolutely massive problem is just how much I hate the sound of my own voice. Like it's bad enough when I hear it occasionally when reviewing my standup stuff - actually sitting there, headphones on, having to sift through three hours of this loving nerd (and the noise I make when I breathe in - seriously how has nobody stabbed me?) made me want to rip out my larynx and beat myself to death with it.

Most of all, THAT FUCKER JAGO HAZZARD kept doing poo poo I wanted to do, to the point I seriously considered going over the reference pictures I took for timing to see if I could catch him at it. What's more, his format - 5 minutes of more-or-less B-roll with a gentle voiceover - is just so much better than mine both to consume and, I'm sure, to produce. I *might* shamelessly rip off the format and revisit a lot of the stuff I've written for a similar kind of series, but at the same time there doesn't seem much point when he's already doing it better. I suppose I could turn my willingness to use nob gags as a bit of a USP (and of course torpedo any chance of commercialising the idea), but meh - for right now I've better stuff to be spending my down time on.

So it's dead, Jim. As I've covered quite a bit of ground (metaphorically and literally) already covered on my blog (but am unwilling to share that here because of the whole doxing thing) I might set up *yet another* blogger account and chuck up the first drafts and pictures there for you lot to see if you fancy it.

Anyway massive thanks to those of you who offered feedback and encouragement even if it did sometimes feel like you were deliberately trying to trick me into doing ever more work.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Marmaduke! posted:

I've watched Snowpiercer and played Frostpunk so I'm prepared for the inevitable extreme ice age that is definitely on the cards, global warming global schwarming.

You might get both! Iirc the UK is one of the few countries that's going to get a lot colder because of global warming, because the melting ice caps will gently caress up the salinity of the ocean, buggering up the gulf stream that keeps us actually quite toasty for our latitude

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Private Speech posted:

Am enjoying the euphemism BBC used for "marched shouting death to muslims in a palestinian neighbourhood":

Very much in the vein of "hundreds of mostly unionist northern irishmen danced, sang and waved unionist flags in a nationalist neighbourhood".

As ever it headlines as if Israel was just responding to Gaza fire kites and not that Gazan kites were responding to an inciting incident.

Meanwhile apparently an Israeli/British woman born in Jerusalem just got her new UK passport and it doesn't say born in Israel it says born in Occupied Palestinian Territories.

(Sorry phone posting and can't seem to copy a link over. But it's in several places including Haaeetz and times of Israel).

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jun 16, 2021

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Private Speech posted:

Even when recorded, like say :nms: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpmthhsDTiE :nms: (watch from 50s onwards) from last month, it is often pre- and post- faced with "oh and the hamas are bad", as in that video.

Anyway I don't really care nor am I some Hamas apologist, but it's hard to watch things like this and not feel upset at the rhetoric of the Israeli government a bit.

e: To be clear that's a video accompanying an article titled:

Live TV shows Israeli mob attack motorist they believed to be an Arab

yet despite that it's only given a short segment in the middle.

And even then: "community violence in some towns" a.k.a. a man beaten to the point of clinging to life for driving home from work in the second biggest city.

Yeah I was thinking people recording it and putting the raw footage on line for people to see with the commentary from the likes of the guardian, could be difficult to get viewership.

Speaking of Hamas, who are the group that govern the other Palestinian space? Is it the PLO? Do they have a better image than Hamas? I don't hear about them as much.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

bessantj posted:

Yeah I was thinking people recording it and putting the raw footage on line for people to see with the commentary from the likes of the guardian, could be difficult to get viewership.

Speaking of Hamas, who are the group that govern the other Palestinian space? Is it the PLO? Do they have a better image than Hamas? I don't hear about them as much.

Do you mean Fatah?
I get the impression from Palestinian friends and contacts that they are 'enablers' of the occupier. IIRC the election in 2005 (or6) which Hamas won was mainly won because Fatah were very corrupt.
(Again can't fact check just now as on phone and not very adept at googling on titchy screen with fat fingers).

Fatah are the West Bank 'government'.

I'm not sure of the relationship between Fatah and PLO

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Jun 16, 2021

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Fatah has a far cooler logo than Hamas.

I've just had the thought that since 'woke' now appears to mean 'anything I don't like', we're definitely going to hear someone say 'woke Hamas' unironically within the next year.

e:

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I'm not sure of the relationship between Fatah and PLO
They make up the majority of the political membership iirc

Goldskull
Feb 20, 2011

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Most of all, THAT FUCKER JAGO HAZZARD

I basically assumed he was you.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Do you mean Fatah?
I get the impression from Palestinian friends and contacts that they are 'enablers' of the occupier. IIRC the election in 2005 (or6) which Hamas won was mainly won because Fatah were very corrupt.
(Again can't fact check just now as on phone and not very adept at googling on titchy screen with fat fingers).

Fatah are the West Bank 'government'.

I'm not sure of the relationship between Fatah and PLO

That's probably them. They have something of a quisling status do they?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Guavanaut posted:

I've just had the thought that since 'woke' now appears to mean 'anything I don't like', we're definitely going to hear someone say 'woke Hamas' unironically within the next year.

Woko Hamas.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I've definitely seen 'Woko Haram' from one of the Spiked brain collider team or similar.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

bessantj posted:

That's probably them. They have something of a quisling status do they?

As most of the Palestinians I know are Gazans they might have a view. Obviously this is anecdotal not a scientific survey.

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

The Question IRL posted:

Man that is bad news.

Luckily I had never heard of any of those brands of Cat Food before today.
Except for Applaws which I saw in the Range on Monday. I even debated about buying it for my mum's cat as he is super fussy over food. I'm glad I didn't.

Stay safe cat people.

My cat obviously heard about this somehow; 15 mins ago he came in yelling victoriously with a live mouse as combined toy/snack. I managed to get it into a mug and lob it into the most overgrown bit of the garden; good luck tiny wet mouse....

jaete
Jun 21, 2009


Nap Ghost
Got a text from NHS about coronavirus vaccine bookings. Went to official website, clicked on "view my bookings" or whatever, logged in... instantly got a text and an email saying "you have cancelled your second vaccination". W... what? :psyduck:

Went to book a second appointment, it seems to think I haven't even had the first one, which I did have about 6 weeks ago

Geez

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Goldskull posted:

I basically assumed he was you.

I am not ruling out the possibility that one of us fell through some sort of ion storm into the other's dimension. I do not have a goatee but I would be legitimately surprised to discover I was actually from the "good" dimension based both on my inability to complete a sentence without swearing and also because well look at this loving dimension and tell me it's the good one.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Gats Akimbo posted:

My cat obviously heard about this somehow; 15 mins ago he came in yelling victoriously with a live mouse as combined toy/snack. I managed to get it into a mug and lob it into the most overgrown bit of the garden; good luck tiny wet mouse....

my cat tried to come in earlier with some sort of dead creature, probably a bird, so we shooed her away and she went and sat in the undergrowth

when she came in a bit later she was making very obvious just-been-eating signs so we're hoping she's not going to puke it all up on the carpet during the night

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

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Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Is that a Graun typo or a Starmer error?

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Is that a Graun typo or a Starmer error?

Both.

E: It's a Graun typo but it's a particularly stupid choice by Starmer - the same slogan was used by Hillary when she lost to Trump, and also by the losing side of the Brexit campaign.

WhatEvil fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Jun 16, 2021

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
kieth stonger

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Guavanaut posted:

kieth stonger

https://twitter.com/PrototypeCube/status/1405286084443992073?s=20

mrpwase
Apr 21, 2010

I HAVE GREAT AVATAR IDEAS
For the Many, Not the Few


Starmer is a Graun error, I think :v:

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

stong and sable

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
I think Labour need a complete rebrand, including a new name to reflect their priorities and to demonstrate a clean break with the old fashioned vote-losing ways of their predecessors. I propose Party Against Socialism, but also to reflect the flawless patriotic credentials of the leadership they should add Of (a) Knight. Once they get that down to a snappy acronym they'll *definitely* be back in power immediately.

Lady Demelza
Dec 29, 2009



Lipstick Apathy

jaete posted:

Got a text from NHS about coronavirus vaccine bookings. Went to official website, clicked on "view my bookings" or whatever, logged in... instantly got a text and an email saying "you have cancelled your second vaccination". W... what? :psyduck:

Went to book a second appointment, it seems to think I haven't even had the first one, which I did have about 6 weeks ago

Geez

Do you still have the original confirmation text/email and your little card? If you do then turn up at your original appointment time. The system is super glitchy and some people have gone to walk-in clinics for their 2nd but not cancelled their appointment. There will be enough vaccine for you.

Unless your problem was that you were trying to bring the appointment forward.

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NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
hi im literal news reports fromhis chief advisor about boris not wanting to be pm because its hard and your funny images about starmers name or something. great!

no one cares

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