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Fluffy Bunnies posted:While I'm glad y'all are enforcing mask orders, I haven't seen a kid in a mask in three or four weeks; schoolyards/daycares included. How many schoolyards/daycares are you visiting exactly? Are you just looking at the kids when they are running around outside (and thus when masks are less necessary), or actually going inside the buildings/looking at classes?
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Curevac just came out with weak Phase 3 data. This literally means many many more deaths will occur.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:While I'm glad y'all are enforcing mask orders, I haven't seen a kid in a mask in three or four weeks; schoolyards/daycares included. Not sure if the last part was directed at me, but I've never called you a "doomer." My county dropped the official mask mandate when we fell below 100 cases per 100k. :eyeroll: I've made the decision to continue to require masks at my business anyway.
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MarcusSA posted:I’m curious about the psychological effect of forcing small children to wear masks. Anecdotal but my kid didn't give a flying gently caress. Kids understand better than some adults the necessity of things sometimes
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CarlosTheDwarf posted:Curevac just came out with weak Phase 3 data. This literally means many many more deaths will occur. https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/curevac-vaccine-coronavirus-efficacy-results-variants/601964/ Dammit  In reading multiple articles they aren't sure exactly why results are so different it remains to be seen Spinz fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Jun 17, 2021 |
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Gotta say, calling it CureVac before they even knew its efficacy was some amazing hubris
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gay picnic defence posted:My opinion is that you'll feel a lot better if you stop worrying about stuff you can't control. Good post OP. My only change would be to add safely to the end of "go out and enjoy life". I was 100% "doomer" until about 2-3 weeks ago, when I realized the only way I'll ever get to some form of normal was to focus on things I can control, and use the data available to make the proper decisions to keep myself and family safe. That data being the wastewater samples in my city/area - you can't stop people from poopin. Unfortunately many places don't publish this data, and many places in the US want to limit or stop testing. Even if that is the case, if a new wave starts, the hospitals will for sure know, and medical professionals will speak out. The constant worry about the next wave starting/vaxxes becoming less effective against new variants feels like I painted myself into a corner. That lonely corner feels safe, but I'm never leaving it unless I try. So, dip a pinky toe into the paint, and see how it feels. And that dipping my pinky toe was walking my dog outside without a mask. Did I feel nervous? yup. But if covid is that easily spread outdoors, it's still be out of control in the stats, and it's been declining drastically from our 3rd wave recently. It's a tiny step, but it helps me move forward instead of being stuck hiding in my safe space. Also we still have mask mandates for indoors (for the most part - we're opening up currently, so that varies) where I am, so luckily I'm not surrounded by maskless people that I'm not sure have been vaccinated. I also don't have children, so mt heart goes out to those goons who do, and are forced to make school/pandemic-related decisions regarding them. If you don't want to dip that toe, at least try to reframe your thoughts into some positive ones. You will start to feel better after. Maybe only 5% better at first, but that's a start, and remember you're moving a heavy boulder. As a start, think of 3 positive things that the current world has. 1. We have very effective vaccines for this - when it all started, some "medical experts" were saying it may take years to get MRNa vaccines for this. They did it in ~6-8 months? There are some rare side effects, but so far things seem good. 2. We know how people and gov'ts react to world changing events like this (poorly for the most part), and we can better prep ourselves when it happens again (don't panic-buy stuff, have some masks ready, keep washing your hands) 3. This world loving sucks now. I can only change what I can, and spending time thinking about "what if" when I can't do much to prevent it isn't good for my mental health. There's going to be a lot of PTSD from this pandemic, so remember to take care of your mental health to lessen the impact, and help you be there for others that need you.
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stab posted:Anecdotal but my kid didn't give a flying gently caress. yeah my kids were 100% on board with whatever they had to do from the beginning. that being said, they've basically reached the end of their rope on distance learning (they're young enough that I've basically given up trying to strictly enforce it). and now that it's getting to be 30+ out, even my very obedient older daughter is starting to pull her mask down when playing outside
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Spaghett posted:I read this thread when I see a bunch of new posts because I think, "oh man, maybe there's some kind of news I should read about," but then it's like 4 pages of conspiracy theories or someone trying to bootstrap a statistics class via irritating arguments. I have to say that my world has been two computer screens in a second bedroom for 12 hours during work days with commutes to the kitchen, lounge or master bedroom. Then weekends it's getting away to the remotest parts of the city or province to just get away from the prison while avoiding the "infected". The only real interaction with strangers has been with the Amazon drivers delivering impulse buys, so having to go out for errands or medical appointments during the work week is kinda jarring as it reminds you that life is marching on and does actually exist outside of the house. So integrating back into the flow is going to be the challenge after being out of it for the past 16 months.
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stab posted:Anecdotal but my kid didn't give a flying gently caress. I don’t know if they understand the necessity better or if it’s just that kids, especially younger ones, are trained they have to do stuff they don’t like because parents/authority figures tell them they have to and that’s just the way things work. Like I don’t know if kids think “I need to wear a mask because if I don’t, grandma might die” or if it’s “dad said I have to wear this stupid mask just like I have to wear stupid pants and dumb shoes if I want to go outside so I guess it’s part of the routine now.” But either way, kids seem more likely to follow the rules even if they need constant reminders because they have no attention span.
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Fuller9x posted:I have to say that my world has been two computer screens in a second bedroom for 12 hours during work days with commutes to the kitchen, lounge or master bedroom. Then weekends it's getting away to the remotest parts of the city or province to just get away from the prison while avoiding the "infected". The only real interaction with strangers has been with the Amazon drivers delivering impulse buys, so having to go out for errands or medical appointments during the work week is kinda jarring as it reminds you that life is marching on and does actually exist outside of the house. So integrating back into the flow is going to be the challenge after being out of it for the past 16 months. Honestly the interesting thing about it is California is now open for business if you're vaccinated, but culturally it still seems like most of us are wearing masks for a bit (I'm guessing until Cal/OSHA says no masks for vaccinated employees).
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^I don't know when CA lifted their masks but here it took around 3 weeks before I started seeing a notable decline in masking. I guess a lot of people had the same thought I did of wanting to see what happened to the numbers for a few weeks before they stopped. Given my acne in 9th grade it would have been a great help to me psychologically if I had been forced to wear a mask for a year. sharknado slashfic fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Jun 17, 2021 |
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Picnic Princess posted:Hey, if we're all gonna have paranoid freakouts, I seem to have developed a subclavian aneurysm since I got my shot 2 days ago. Probably 100% unrelated but it's really important to think the worst of everything right now according to this thread, so RIP my left arm, I wish you didn't get amputated in the near future. Thanks for nothing, Covid vaccines! That’s awful. I wish you the best in your therapy.
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Picnic Princess posted:Hey, if we're all gonna have paranoid freakouts, I seem to have developed a subclavian aneurysm since I got my shot 2 days ago. Probably 100% unrelated but it's really important to think the worst of everything right now according to this thread, so RIP my left arm, I wish you didn't get amputated in the near future. Thanks for nothing, Covid vaccines! Well, that sounds like an absolute fuckload to cope with. Condolences on the arm and god speed on recovery, jesus
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sharknado slashfic posted:^I don't know when CA lifted their masks but here it took around 3 weeks before I started seeing a notable decline in masking. I guess a lot of people had the same thought I did of wanting to see what happened to the numbers for a few weeks before they stopped. Yeah, ours was the 15th for vaccinated people, so it seems like it'll take a week or two to really spread out
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Castaign posted:I work with small children and I expected that mask orders were going to be extremely challenging and distressing for the younger kids. Instead, the younger kids had no issues with wearing masks and we're perfectly happy to romp around and play and interact while masked. The kids I know (and I know quite a few) adapted fast and with minimal apparent challenge. Thank you very much for the non snarky informed reply.
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Buff Hardback posted:Yeah, ours was the 15th for vaccinated people, so it seems like it'll take a week or two to really spread out Yeah I went to Trader Joe’s yesterday and 99% of people were still wearing masks. They had taken down the signs stating the mask requirement as well. I live in a pretty decently vaccinated area as well so I guess it’s still habit for most people. Obviously the employees were still masked up.
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Picnic Princess posted:Hey, if we're all gonna have paranoid freakouts, I seem to have developed a subclavian aneurysm since I got my shot 2 days ago. Probably 100% unrelated but it's really important to think the worst of everything right now according to this thread, so RIP my left arm, I wish you didn't get amputated in the near future. Thanks for nothing, Covid vaccines! Yeesh, sorry to hear that. Hopefully they can get you on proper treatment / therapy regime quickly to treat it.
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Buff Hardback posted:Honestly the interesting thing about it is California is now open for business if you're vaccinated, but culturally it still seems like most of us are wearing masks for a bit (I'm guessing until Cal/OSHA says no masks for vaccinated employees). My workplace will continue to mandate masks but that's because we're healthcare people and have to be careful. No one has a problem with it.
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xcheopis posted:My workplace will continue to mandate masks but that's because we're healthcare people and have to be careful. No one has a problem with it. Yeah I bet masks will continue to be required for healthcare/public transit/etc for a while (which I'm fine with), but assuming everything goes good, it won't be for too long.
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Realistically, because it was Pfizer, it's probably a coincidence with this aneurysm. I've had issues with the left shoulder sitting incorrectly and dislocating, plus a lot of tight muscles and tendons in the area, so it's kind of not a surprise. Whatever happens, I'm super loving grateful I'm fully vaxxed now because we don't exactly have a good track record here of keeping hospitals safe, so if I do end up in one, I should be okay even if there's an ongoing outbreak. I've heard of several families who all had to isolate at some point because someone went to get a surgery and brought Covid back with them.
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MarcusSA posted:Thank you very much for the non snarky informed reply. My pleasure. It was actually a really pleasant surprise for me how easy it's been to keep kids masked up. Although I have to say that with the very young ages (3s and 4s) it really feels more like theatre than it does a legit NPI. Little kids are fine with wearing masks, but they aren't good at wearing masks. After the fifth time in 30 minutes when I find myself kneeling down face to face with a little kid to help them fix the mask that slipped off their face, I start to wonder if this isn't actually a bit counterproductive. Picnic Princess posted:Hey, if we're all gonna have paranoid freakouts, I seem to have developed a subclavian aneurysm since I got my shot 2 days ago. Probably 100% unrelated but it's really important to think the worst of everything right now according to this thread, so RIP my left arm, I wish you didn't get amputated in the near future. Thanks for nothing, Covid vaccines! Jesus, I'm sorry. Thoughts and prayers for your arm.
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Buff Hardback posted:Yeah I bet masks will continue to be required for healthcare/public transit/etc for a while (which I'm fine with), but assuming everything goes good, it won't be for too long. I'm hoping public transit keeps it up and also not having to share a seat. That's been quite nice.
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Castaign posted:Not sure if the last part was directed at me, but I've never called you a "doomer." No no, not at you. You're good folks. I drive past a lot of schools and daycares and whatnot on my way into town and I was watching a Disney video and saw all those maskless kids on videos from like, two days ago, and went "huh I wonder what all these folks think".
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I can’t believe that railing tripped those kids like that. Thats hosed up.
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The only reason I am having my second AZ dose is because I'm not willing to take a dose of Pfizer away from someone who hasn't received any vaccine yet. I remain pissed off that people to whom vaccination was opened up early because they are medically vulnerable ended up worse off by following the guidance, though.
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Nobody ended up "worse off" by taking AZ. It is a good vaccine!
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freebooter posted:Nobody ended up "worse off" by taking AZ. It is a good vaccine! Yeah but try telling boomers they can’t have something…
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stab posted:Anecdotal but my kid didn't give a flying gently caress. Plus little kids have recently gone through the phase where they didn't want to wear shoes, or pants, or just randomly took off all their clothes and ran around naked. And then had to learn to accept shoes and/or clothes. Had to learn that they won't be allowed to wear their comfy spiderman pajamas 24/7. Having to accept another piece of clothing builds on those lessons that sometimes we have to wear things we don't want to wear. A lesson little kids remember but many adults seem to have forgotten.
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gay picnic defence posted:Yeah but try telling boomers they can’t have something… My friend works at a vaccine booking call center and she had boomers refuse to make appointments if the pharmacy even offered AZ. They wanted to make sure no one "accidentally" gave them anything but Pfizer and demanded she find them a spot at a Pfizer only location, which didn't exist unless they temporarily ran out of supply. She was losing her loving mind having to deal with them.
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Picnic Princess posted:My friend works at a vaccine booking call center and she had boomers refuse to make appointments if the pharmacy even offered AZ. They wanted to make sure no one "accidentally" gave them anything but Pfizer and demanded she find them a spot at a Pfizer only location, which didn't exist unless they temporarily ran out of supply. She was losing her loving mind having to deal with them. They should get saline, the stupid fuckers. gently caress I hate boomers.
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gay picnic defence posted:They should get saline, the stupid fuckers. gently caress I hate boomers. This is a perfectly normal response.
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gay picnic defence posted:Yeah but try telling boomers they can’t have something… I suggest ‘grandchildren’.
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What the gently caress did they expect was going to happen https://twitter.com/CBSEveningNews/status/1405550804728270853 Statement from the CEO: https://www.facebook.com/100057105533884/posts/264408202139362/ quote:Two steps forward and one step back ! out of an abundance of caution, we are postponing Odyssey’s inaugural sailing from July 3 to July 31, 2021. A simulation cruise, originally scheduled for late June, will also be rescheduled. The vaccines aren't guaranteed to be 100% effective, dumbass 
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:What the gently caress did they expect was going to happen They want special favors from the government.
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Got my second Moderna injection Thursday morning and felt fine enough to do my training session in the afternoon. Headaches came in later in the evening and just feel low-key hungover since then. Could be worse but man, its really nice out and I just want to just sit around do nothing. Will probably try to get moving a bit in the afternoon as it feels like that should reduce the fatigued feeling. Also, actually still impressed how professional the vaccine rollout is done here. Got my jab about 10min after walking into the vaccine site. And I got my QR code, that says I'm fully vaccinated, sent to me online while sitting in the waiting room afterwards.
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Sup thread. I heard American insurance companies are making you pay for the tests now? I can rolling order a pack of 7 NHS lateral flow tests (the ones you do at home like a pregnancy test) every few days and will send them out to goons in need for free. If fluffy bunny wants a pack I’ll send the first one to them. DM me or post in here 
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learnincurve posted:Sup thread. I heard American insurance companies are making you pay for the tests now? But also don't use these because they're garbage https://cen.acs.org/analytical-chem.../99/web/2021/06 quote:COVID-19 test used in UK mass screening program receives stinging rebuke from FDA
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