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I've had Dark Shadows on while I buzz around some mornings, and there's this neat artifact you see sometimes where a dark halo appears around people and objects in certain conditions. I think I first saw this in episodes of Twilight Zone that appeared to be shot on videotape instead of film. (Dark Shadows is sort of charming in its daytime television way, when you see actors half-forget their lines or when they very delicately close doors to keep the set walls from wobbling, or you see their heads all out of shape from lens distortion.) Anyway, anyone know if I'm correct about this being shot on videotape, and what may be causing the black halo? I assume it has something to do with lighting on the foreground subject contrasting too much with a dark background or something.
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Is that not the titular Dark Shadow
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Jun 16, 2021 18:46
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F4rt5 posted:I paid almost 900 NOK for The Magical Quest Starring Mickey Mouse back then. Exchange rate about 7 NOK to the dollar so around $120? Tech was was expensive back then in Norway drat - even without adjusting for inflation that's expensive. A ring fit is 789 today, and pokemon sword/shield plus expansion pass for the Switch is 899 - breath of the wild is a comparatively modest 588. With inflation you could probably get a Switch Lite on sale.
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Jun 16, 2021 19:12
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649 NOK for Mega Man 4 in 1991. Still remember it. Still have the game too.
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Jun 16, 2021 20:26
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doctorfrog posted:Anyway, anyone know if I'm correct about this being shot on videotape, and what may be causing the black halo? I assume it has something to do with lighting on the foreground subject contrasting too much with a dark background or something. That sure looks like 50s/60s video tube blooming, probably the wonderfully named Image Orthicon I love those old camera tubes, they just make sense to me. What if you had a video tube, but backwards?? And from what I gather all video tubes basically work this way, it's just that they figured out better ways to store the image on the photocathode with less loss, higher resolution, and more sensitivity. Also interesting how it basically just looks like a modern overprocessed HDR image, some black and white film stocks and developer combos can give a similar image without the black haloing which is tube specific. I suppose that scene could have been shot on film (if it's super old then you'd have to consider if video recording was even remotely practical yet), but in that case it was probably telecined with an IO tube. If it has 3:2 pulldown (for American video) it was definitely shot on film.
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Jun 16, 2021 21:00
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Data Graham posted:Is that not the titular Dark Shadow LOL, I kind of used to think that too. isn't dark shadows famous for being like a continuous take or something, so it was shot with a live feed camera which made it look more like other live shows at the time with that high contrast edges and weird bloom. I don't know what I'm talking about.
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Jun 16, 2021 21:25
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longview posted:That sure looks like 50s/60s video tube blooming, probably the wonderfully named Image Orthicon I'd need to double check but I believe Dark Shadows was live to tape. LifeSunDeath posted:LOL, I kind of used to think that too. isn't dark shadows famous for being like a continuous take or something, so it was shot with a live feed camera which made it look more like other live shows at the time with that high contrast edges and weird bloom. I don't know what I'm talking about. It was one take per shot. So you'll find all kinds of production stuff sneak it's way into shots, flubbed lines kept and so on. On the other hand they did do some really cool special effects stuff, taking advantage of working on tape to do ghostly overlays.
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Jun 16, 2021 21:48
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doctorfrog posted:I've had Dark Shadows on while I buzz around some mornings, and there's this neat artifact you see sometimes where a dark halo appears around people and objects in certain conditions. I think I first saw this in episodes of Twilight Zone that appeared to be shot on videotape instead of film. That's probably a camera tube artifact, something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_camera_tube#Dark_halo ? It does also resemble the artifacts you get from sharpening the image in software, but I'd bet on the original capture hardware. edit: I think I missed some posts. Computer viking has a new favorite as of 22:40 on Jun 16, 2021 |
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Jun 16, 2021 22:27
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Wow this page of the thread is like a different thread entirely, but I have to add to Old Console Price Chat that I saw either Tommy LaSorda or Tony LaRussa baseball for the Genesis (I am sure people from their team markets would remember which was the big deal game) for $70 at Target, and it burned itself into my mind because I could not believe a game would ever cost more than $50, let alone $60 or more. And somehow they still largely do not despite the aforementioned fact that this is pushing $100 in inflation value these days No wonder I seemed so spoiled to my friends in 1990
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Jun 16, 2021 22:34
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Computer viking posted:I haven't used a non-ethernet network since IPX file sharing on windows 98, and I'm enjoying your dive into something even more exotic here. me and my brother could never figure out ipx. we used a long rear end serial cable for direct connection for warcraft 2 and doom.
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Jun 16, 2021 23:14
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EVIL Gibson posted:me and my brother could never figure out ipx. I didn't have any huge problems with IPX over thinnet coax, though of course it did require the right terminators. I very vaguely remember having to test different protocol versions in the windows 98 drivers - but it basically worked ok, even in DOS? It took a while before I was comfortable moving to IP for everything. Of course, I did also have a nullmodem cable laying around. I wonder if that's still in a drawer somewhere? Also, I feel like I have to correct myself and be a bit more precise here: Token ring and ethernet are transport layers; IPX and IP are network layer protocols, SPX and TCP are link layer protocols. So IPX was usually used on top of Ethernet, and you could probably configure IPX over token ring if you really want to test the edge cases in your network stack.
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Jun 16, 2021 23:33
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Thomamelas posted:I'd need to double check but I believe Dark Shadows was live to tape. They only had access to the videotape machines for 45 mins before the news department took them over. They did the show live-to-tape warts and all. Very rarely did they do a second take. They assumed no one would care since the show would only be seen once and viewers would probably not notice any mistakes. The show was as close to live theater as you could get (most of the actors were experienced stage performers). All the cast and crew have said what a blast it was to be under such presssure to get it right as best as they could. Most fans believe the flubs, both technical and perfomance, added a certain charm to the show.
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Jun 17, 2021 01:22
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Relevant: for anyone itt that hasn't already seen it, Technology Connects has a great film vs. tape comparison video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVpABCxiDaU
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Jun 17, 2021 05:04
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Computer viking posted:Also, I feel like I have to correct myself and be a bit more precise here: The Mac definitely supports IPX over Token Ring. What was the benefit of doing that vs. running TCP/IP? No/minimal configuration? AppleTalk is kind of like that with no manual configuration except choosing what interface to use. I know Apple has to eventually add in a TCP/IP wrapping and router support to AppleTalk only networks since I guess you need that to do The Internet with standard software. Note that in that case I think the network was serial AppleTalk, and there was a magic AppleTalk-IP router somewhere on the network. On Ethernet or Token Ring it's just straight TCP/IP next to Ether or TokenTalk.
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Jun 17, 2021 08:38
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Some great answers to my Dark Shadows questions, thank you! I didn't know it was all live to tape, that's really neat. Considering that, they did a really good job. Dark Shadows was this boring-looking soapy show I'd ignore on the Sci-Fi network back in the 90's, but for some reason I picked up the season 1 DVD at the library. This is the "Lost Episodes" or somesuch, 30 or more eps before the vampire plot that blew up the show starts. It's perfect for tootling around in the morning because so little happens plot-wise so you can mostly ignore it, but there are these little archaic details if you pay a little attention. I also watched a lot of a syndicated 60's TV that showed up on 80's UHF channels when I was real little so maybe it's making a soothing brain-association.
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Jun 17, 2021 09:25
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longview posted:The Mac definitely supports IPX over Token Ring.
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Jun 17, 2021 10:28
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My favorite Dark Shadows flubs were when a character would be relaying something to another character, mention someone's name (the wrong name), and the character they were conversing with would correct them. "You mean Roger?" "Yes, Roger!" On a more technical discussion, I always noticed the black halos on lit candles most of all. Oh, and you can watch some right now for free! https://pluto.tv/live-tv/dark-shadows
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Jun 18, 2021 03:40
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GI_Clutch posted:Oh, and you can watch some right now for free! omg this is like real tv, it's played 4 ads and I'm still not to the show...I'll find another way to watch it. e, here it is https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4f8nvw
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Jun 18, 2021 03:48
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They tried to revive Dark Shadows in 1991 but it had to compete with the Gulf War for ratings and died really fast.
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Jun 18, 2021 03:53
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Casimir Radon posted:They tried to revive Dark Shadows in 1991 but it had to compete with the Gulf War for ratings and died really fast.
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Jun 18, 2021 04:15
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Dead gay formats for a dead gay forum: I know I've posted the LD version before, but it has a sister now in UMD glory. 
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Jun 18, 2021 08:37
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HACK THE PLANNNNETTTTTTT
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Jun 18, 2021 08:43
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FilthyImp posted:He'll, Dark Shadows only really took off because they accidentally Urkleized themselves when Barnabas came on. It's hard to recapture that kind of mojo. Dan Curtis (the show's creator) said they brought on Barnabas because his kids asked him to make the show scarier (they had previously had ghosts and a phoenix) and he figured "what the gently caress - I'm about to be canceled anyway". Barnabas was going to be staked in 13 weeks until the tons of fan mail started coming in. Jonathan Frid got the part purely by chance. He was coming home to his apartment in New York to pack up and go to California. He had not told anyone, including his agent, that he was back and he walked in just in time to answer his phone. It was his agent telling him about the part and Frid figured he could make few quick bucks.
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Jun 18, 2021 12:36
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Gonz posted:HACK THE PLANNNNETTTTTTT HACK THE PLANET
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Jun 18, 2021 12:46
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BooDooBoo posted:HACK THE PLANET https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpCTMddpQNs
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Jun 18, 2021 12:49
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Humphreys posted:Dead gay formats for a dead gay forum: Is "best cyber movie of the year" one of those technically correct phrases?
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Jun 18, 2021 14:51
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Trabant posted:Is "best cyber movie of the year" one of those technically correct phrases? Always thought the title of the film was just "HACKERS - 'The best cyber film of the year' - Randall Blaum, KATU-TV (ABC)"
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Jun 18, 2021 14:56
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Trabant posted:Is "best cyber movie of the year" one of those technically correct phrases? Well here we go *pushing up glasses* That exact phrase is a reason of why I have the BEST CYBER movies from 1995 on LD: Hackers The Net Ghost In The Shell Johnny Mnemonic Virtuosity Strange Days And I will maybe give Under Seige 2 a pass for having some form of hacking, but isn't part of this completely spergy specific collection.
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Jun 18, 2021 15:05
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Ah, the days when "cyber" meant something other than cybersecurity "Any potential audit violations will be investigated by the cyber team"
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Jun 18, 2021 15:07
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Data Graham posted:Ah, the days when "cyber" meant something other than cybersecurity And upon entering the office of Cyber you find me spinning LDs on my dick as I jerk off on 240p webcams. And omg this movie made me REALLY mad cos they marketed it as Hackers 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbgDMYy9mzM Yes I did things with Oki phones and something something CDMA falls back to AMPS so can still clone CDMA. Humphreys has a new favorite as of 15:19 on Jun 18, 2021 |
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Jun 18, 2021 15:16
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Humphreys posted:Well here we go *pushing up glasses* Best cyber movie a few years prior:   
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Jun 18, 2021 15:28
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Humphreys posted:And omg this movie made me REALLY mad cos they marketed it as Hackers 2. I believe it wasn’t an official thing, and just Asian bootleggers attached the name Hackers 2 to it. They used to do that to tons of movies to get people to buy them, but that particular titling stuck around for decades somehow. Anyway, Takedown is a film bad enough that 2600 magazine did a documentary as they try to stop it getting made. It’s low budget as hell, but a fun watch. https://youtu.be/WN4fCK23Srk
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Jun 18, 2021 15:41
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LifeSunDeath posted:Best cyber movie a few years prior: Best part about this is they bought the rights to a Stephen King short story about a man that mowed the grass by eating it (and also murdered people I think), just so they could slap Stephen King's name on it. I think he successfully sued to have his name taken off.
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Jun 18, 2021 15:45
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EL BROMANCE posted:I believe it wasn’t an official thing, and just Asian bootleggers attached the name Hackers 2 to it. They used to do that to tons of movies to get people to buy them, but that particular titling stuck around for decades somehow. takedown is good enough as a film but terribly wrong on so many things that I probably was echo chambering to 2600 mag in chats about it.
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Jun 18, 2021 15:49
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Data Graham posted:Ah, the days when "cyber" meant something other than cybersecurity a/s/l wanna cyber???
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Jun 18, 2021 15:56
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Dicty Bojangles posted:a/s/l wanna cyber??? Not gonna lie... met a chick on Yahoo teen chat and we cybered for a time. Then I went into the military after school and the base was her town. Made weekend leave a bit more fun than the rest of the platoon going to Saxons on Saxon Street (rotten hookerhouse literally next to a recycling yard).
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Jun 18, 2021 16:59
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Humphreys posted:Dead gay formats for a dead gay forum: Did Hackers ever get released on HD-DVD? If so…you know what you need to do.
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Jun 18, 2021 17:43
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I had a copy of Pump Up The Volume on MovieCD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MovieCD) back in the 90s. Terrible format. Bad purchase.
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Jun 18, 2021 17:47
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Sad that people forget about the Cyber Security movie of all time, Sneakers
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You Am I posted:Sad that people forget about the Cyber Security movie of all time, Sneakers I saw that when it came out, it was p. good but I never did a second watch so unconfirmed if it was any good at all.
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