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Nitrousoxide posted:It was the 10th army general that took down the barrier, the girl that killed Julius. I am aware of who, I got thennumber wrong. The point remains.
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Doodles posted:Yeah. And with a Rot attack. Who else used those? Identity of the 10th army commander discovered 
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Jun 16, 2021 22:39
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Overlord AU where all of Kumo's army are scrubs from the labyrinth.
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Jun 16, 2021 22:58
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Episode 23 is up! It's almost entirely the Shun side, but we're starting to get to the big reveals, so it wasn't too bad. They actually made a bit of an effort with the 3d fighting. Y'all thought this was a medival isekai world, huh? 
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Jun 18, 2021 15:34
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Potimas heard his world had RPG mechanics and thought that meant Rocket-Propelled Grenades.
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Jun 18, 2021 16:10
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This was definitely a better human side episode. And the post credits scene! She speaks!
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Jun 18, 2021 16:23
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Bobulus posted:Episode 23 is up! It's almost entirely the Shun side, but we're starting to get to the big reveals, so it wasn't too bad. They actually made a bit of an effort with the 3d fighting. Can't have an fantasy world at the brink of destruction without some ancient magical robots.
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Jun 18, 2021 16:51
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Yeah definitely the best of the human stuff so far. only took 23 episodes but shun finally had a critical thought! proud of my boy growin up
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Jun 18, 2021 17:09
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Lurking Haro posted:Can't have an fantasy world at the brink of destruction without some ancient magical robots. Man, they really need to fix how the desert texture around Shun and company keeps repeating... 
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Jun 18, 2021 17:13
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Hahaha oh my god.
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Jun 18, 2021 17:43
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That looks BETTER. At least FFVI didn't have that loving inexcusable 8 frames a second poo poo that's been going on lately. I really can't stand how low the standards for modern 3D animation have dropped. I couldn't get into Spider-Verse because of the same reason, and I don't believe for a second that something which is done so obviously to cut down costs is just done for "style".
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Jun 18, 2021 18:26
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it's not the standards for animation in general. it's just that this is the same cg studio that did berserk. it was always going to suck.
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This adaptation is giving me a lot of things to be grumpy about, but at least the voice acting is on point. It's really great to hear these characters that I've been reading about for so long.XboxPants posted:That looks BETTER. At least FFVI didn't have that loving inexcusable 8 frames a second poo poo that's been going on lately. I really can't stand how low the standards for modern 3D animation have dropped. There was a recent CG anime that went for high framerate, and it was Ex-Arm.
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Jun 18, 2021 18:43
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There are a lot of valid reasons to want to lower the framerate beyond just costs and is something many studios even in the west are doing. Here's some videos on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KRb_qV9P4g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsboyfs-L4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV8sjRTiWC8
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Raenir Salazar posted:There are a lot of valid reasons to want to lower the framerate beyond just costs and is something many studios even in the west are doing. I've watched this video specifically already, and you can tell me all you want that animating at 12fps looks super cool and stylish and it just looks like trash to me. As far as I'm concerned these guys are completely up their own assholes. On the topic of the show, I'm pretty impressed with the two adventurer reincarnations and overall the episode wasn't half bad. I still felt like the action in the manga was more intense, but this episode wasn't half bad. Also, stupid Hugo, haha he lost gently caress him.
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Jun 18, 2021 18:54
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I thought people would be pretty happy with this episode, what with it spending the first bit repeatedly dumping on Hugo and the latter bit repeatedly dumping on Shun.
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Jun 18, 2021 19:08
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XboxPants posted:I've watched this video specifically already, and you can tell me all you want that animating at 12fps looks super cool and stylish and it just looks like trash to me. As far as I'm concerned these guys are completely up their own assholes. That's just you then, but it's something animators do and it's not a cost cutting measure.
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XboxPants posted:That looks BETTER. At least FFVI didn't have that loving inexcusable 8 frames a second poo poo that's been going on lately. I really can't stand how low the standards for modern 3D animation have dropped. I couldn't get into Spider-Verse because of the same reason, and I don't believe for a second that something which is done so obviously to cut down costs is just done for "style". Spider-Verse had that frame rate as a stylistic choice, and it purposefully goes to a higher frame rate along with Miles getting more competent with his powers. Nitrousoxide fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Jun 18, 2021 |
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Jun 18, 2021 19:11
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Nitrousoxide posted:Spider-Verse had that frame rate as a stylistic choice, and it purposefully goes to a higher frame rate along with Miles getting more competent with his powers. Not just that but different characters even move in different frameworks in the same scene!  XboxPants posted:I've watched this video specifically already, and you can tell me all you want that animating at 12fps looks super cool and stylish and it just looks like trash to me. As far as I'm concerned these guys are completely up their own assholes. Did you see the follow up video where they address your argument? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhcLATiI9Is 
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Nitrousoxide posted:Spider-Verse had that frame rate as a stylistic choice, and it purposefully goes to a higher frame rate along with Miles getting more competent with his powers. Meanwhile there are points in Kumoko where it almost looks like stop motion except CG.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Not just that but different characters even move in different frameworks in the same scene! No, but he makes reference pretty quickly in that video to the fact that a higher framerate would lead to an increased workload. In other words, it would cost more. Producing less frames is definitely a move that leads to less money being spent. I can't say that is the primary reason that it happens in every single case, but I think it's important to recognize things that can have an influence on our decisions like this. No matter how hard we may try to remain impartial. I also recognize that the artists may have had a style they were going for, but that doesn't mean that I have to agree that it turned out well. I can have my own opinion and it's not really something you can "argue" about. It's not a legal case. What are you trying to suggest about this show, exactly? The CG in the opening/ending is much more smooth, but in scenes where the overall animation quality drops, the CG framerate often also drops. I think this is because these are the cheap and/or rushed scenes. It's not that they thought it looked better that way, they were just trying to save time. Why do you think this is? kirtar posted:Meanwhile there are points in Kumoko where it almost looks like stop motion except CG. to be fair I went back to try to find low frame scenes to reference, and I think a lot of the stuff I was remembering was 2d animation, like the Poochie-esque stuff. XboxPants fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Jun 18, 2021 |
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:it's not the standards for animation in general. it's just that this is the same cg studio that did berserk. it was always going to suck. it's not though The people who worked on Berserk are on the 2D side (including the director) I absolutely do not think the CG in Spider is best in it's class, and the way it's intermingled with the 2D stuff makes it even more jarring, but nothing about it is as bad as the CG in Berserk was/how bad the 2D stuff occasionally gets
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Yeah the 3d and even the 2d in Spider are worlds ahead of Berserk. Even considering how budget the animation gets at times (like that slideshow last episode).
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@XboxPants Your argument is pretty bad because by that argument games not having hyperrealistic graphics at all times is a cost cutting measure because all games could have photorealistic graphics but most don't. The fact that 48 would cost more isn't actually an admission of it being about "cost cutting", Noodle in the first video repeats that they don't actually need those extra frames it is twice the cost for negligible benefit. The problem here isn't that you have merely just expressed an opinion, its the way you expressed it while making huge sweeping claims about the medium of animation such as: quote:I really can't stand how low the standards for modern 3D animation have dropped This is just completely obnoxious. You made an argument, not an opinion. As for your last point which is kinda out of left field and I don't know what exactly its in response to but typically if something seems jarring or off about the animation it probably has to do with the animators being overworked, forced to crunch, and not given enough time to do the requisite polish or maybe lack the necessary tools and experience to make use of their technique. Arc System Works presumably this studio isn't.
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Man, speaking of Arc System Works, can you imagine them working on an anime? Sure it'd take three years to come out but it would be really pretty.
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There's bound to be a 3D movie with a 2D flavored style that looks as good as an ASW game some day... right? I mean there has to be, right? They make Guilty Gear, not Mario, or Pokemon or Call of Duty, it's not like they're oozing money out of their ears!
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My dudes, I can't watch movies cause they're not in 60fps. Am I cool yet.
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OnimaruXLR posted:There's bound to be a 3D movie with a 2D flavored style that looks as good as an ASW game some day... right? Spiderverse.
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the only reason to have the gloria mechs teleport into the air around the party is so you can have a shot of them dramatically landing on the ground with a shockwave!! why would the director cut straight to all of them already landed and ready for action?
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XboxPants posted:No, but he makes reference pretty quickly in that video to the fact that a higher framerate would lead to an increased workload. In other words, it would cost more. Producing less frames is definitely a move that leads to less money being spent. But that's only for hand drawn animation. Rendering time probably isn't the bottleneck for 3D anime, so having a higher framerate wouldn't increase costs.
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Tamba posted:But that's only for hand drawn animation. Rendering time probably isn't the bottleneck for 3D anime, so having a higher framerate wouldn't increase costs. Depends. If its like what Arc System Works does where you don't do any interpolation at all and then even go and hand edit each keyframe to add tiny imperfections than yes increasing the framerate is going to be more expensive.
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Other than the animation the pacing was really bad. Just so much standing around. Even the action felt like it was happening through molasses.
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yeah, that felt like it would have felt much more reasonably paced condensed to half an episode i did like the demons going "why are you sticking up for the elves, you must be getting creepy vibes from them" and then sensei reminds everyone that the demons invaded shun's kingdom, killed his brother, brainwashed his sister into murdering their father in front of him, and then chased him into exile in the wilderness. it's kind of convincing to me, as potimas is definitely up to something that probably involves the destruction of the world, but the demon/administrator solution of genocide seems suboptimal
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Yeah, the whole, “it’s just your stupid vain pride that makes you want to keep fighting,” thing falls flat on it’s face when you look at what they all went through. Sure. It’s just my pride that drives me to seek vengeance against the people who totally hosed my life up, including brainwashing and murdering my family. Let me just sit here and roll over for you. … Honestly, that’s kind of a missed opportunity for a decent mid-fight hype session.
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Eh, at some point you need to be rational about it. If I was bound in chains on the floor and two people were aiming machine guns at me, I wouldn't continue struggling either.
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:Yeah, the whole, “it’s just your stupid vain pride that makes you want to keep fighting,” thing falls flat on it’s face when you look at what they all went through. I'm pretty sure the point wasn't "give up fighting forever" but "give up fighting this one person who clearly outmatches you and is just toying with you". Shun's had a real problem with not knowing when to back down and regroup, and if Sophia hadn't been told not to kill him he'd be a thin red smear right about now.
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