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Well, at least now I don't feel so weird for being so disappointed in Netflix Castlevania. (On the other hand, reading about Ruins is kind of shocking considering Ellis was responsible for Nextwave. I mean, I guess that's also an ultra-cynical take on the Marvel Universe, but from what I recall, it works.)
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The same man that wrote Ruins wrote Transmetropolitan then wrote Planetary then wrote Nextwave.
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Edge & Christian posted:I wasn't questioning them being contemporaries or even having overlapping sensibilities on a surface level, it was "three of the most famous modern comic creators" that I was specifically questioning. And Millar didn't really come any later, all three of them were born between February 1968 and January 1971, and broke into comics in 1989-1990. What i now know about him as a person makes me not want to read more Ellis books, but it's insane to not acknowledge that he was both very popular and hugely influential, he re-invented multiple super heroes for Marvel, actively scouted and encouraged a poo poo ton of other comic creators. His level of influence on comics is part of why revelations about his personal behavior were so terrible.
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on the other hand he was responsible for Counter X
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Alaois posted:on the other hand he was responsible for Counter X X-Man was good (the only time in the entire run). And Counter X being dogshit is what gave us X-Statix.
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Skwirl posted:What i now know about him as a person makes me not want to read more Ellis books, but it's insane to not acknowledge that he was both very popular and hugely influential, he re-invented multiple super heroes for Marvel, actively scouted and encouraged a poo poo ton of other comic creators. His level of influence on comics is part of why revelations about his personal behavior were so terrible. I also acknowledge (not unlike Millar) that he was pretty terrific at self-promotion and the whole Uncle Warren thing in the WEF days. He definitely helped incubate a lot of creators who are doing good work, but the whole "re-invented multiple super heroes for Marvel" thing never really made sense to me. Who did he reinvent? What is the lasting impact of (say) his revamps of American Eagle, Karnak, the New Universe, Ultimate Gah Lak Tus, Generation X, Doctor Druid? The biggest case that I think could be made was Extremis for Iron Man, though I don't really see that outside of "was a plot point for Iron Man 3", I guess? Even if we use that as a data point, "having ideas get used in a movie" is an incredibly large club of creators. What other revamp from his "Year of Whoredom" where he claimed to be tinkering around and 'fixing' Marvel properties have really stuck around? Making Machine Man Bender? Does he get residual fame credit whenever Kieron Gillen or Kelly Sue DeConnick write something, because they posted on his forum? Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Jun 18, 2021 |
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Edge & Christian posted:Again, we're getting away from "one of the most famous modern comics creators" which isn't to say "he never did anything of note", it's saying that he's one of The Most Famous Modern Comic Creators. Which even if you really narrow down the parameters to mean that you can't include Alan Moore or Neil Gaiman, Bill Watterson or Aaron McGruder, Allison Bechdel or Chris Ware, Ta-Nahesi Coates or Gerard Way, or Kate Beaton or Raina Telgemeier or Eiichiro Oda or Lisa Hanawalt or etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. still seems like a stretch to me. he gave Warpath the ability to fly by writing a scene where Pete Wisdom tells him "well have you ever actually tried to fly?" and then he does
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Keromaru5 posted:Well, at least now I don't feel so weird for being so disappointed in Netflix Castlevania. I had someone legitimately MAD at me for not liking it. I just don't get the appeal - the action and animation were fine, but the characters were boring, the plot moved way, way too slow, the writing was edgy but in a really lazy way, and, as I said before, no music from the games. I acknowledge Ellis has a lot of good stuff, but when he's bad, I can't loving stand to read his stuff. Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Jun 18, 2021 |
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Jun 18, 2021 20:30
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Rotten Red Rod posted:I had someone legitimately MAD at me for not liking it. I just don't get the appeal - the action and animation were fine, but the characters were boring, the plot moved way, way too slow, the writing was edgy but in a really lazy way, and, as I said before, no music from the games. I kind of liked the 1st season in bits and pieces. At least enough to keep watching it. The finale fight with big D was pretty fun. But the 2nd season, oof. What a clunker that was.
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I think there's a very good chance that Monica Rambeu wouldn't be in tv shows and movies if it weren't for Ellis.
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Proteus Jones posted:I kind of liked the 1st season in bits and pieces. At least enough to keep watching it. The finale fight with big D was pretty fun. The Dracula fight was in season 2 though. I think you meant Season 3. Which was quite boring, it had some good conversations and character development. But it had some massive stretches of boring. (actually season 1-2 also had long bits of boring)
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Castlevania definitely suffers from lots of slow talking. Could have had a lot more action. Like if any show was ever ready-made to use the Monster of the Week format...
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Skwirl posted:I think there's a very good chance that Monica Rambeu wouldn't be in tv shows and movies if it weren't for Ellis.
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Edge & Christian posted:Why do you think that? Because he brought her back into prominence in the comics and Al Ewing ran with it.
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Skwirl posted:Because he brought her back into prominence in the comics and Al Ewing ran with it.
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I don't know what we're arguing about but here's a palette cleanser because Mike Del Mundo is amazing   
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BiggerBoat posted:I don't know what we're arguing about but here's a palette cleanser because Mike Del Mundo is amazing His recent variant cover for X-men is just unfair. No one should be this good. https://twitter.com/FraMobArt/status/1387059513547710467
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Del Mundo's covers are incredible. I find his interiors a bit lacking for some reason outside of spreads.
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Here's some Carl Barks: No one drew rocks like Barks:  And some strangely familiar-looking images:  
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Action Jacktion posted:Here's some Carl Barks:
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Rotten Red Rod posted:I had someone legitimately MAD at me for not liking it. I just don't get the appeal - the action and animation were fine, but the characters were boring, the plot moved way, way too slow, the writing was edgy but in a really lazy way, and, as I said before, no music from the games. It was clearly a 90-minute movie stretched into twelve episodes and it showed. Not just because of the pacing. You could tell because it had the same scene about goats that was in some leaked script passages a decade before. Add the edgelord stuff, the needless gore, the oh-so-euphoric anti-religion angle, calling the whip the Morning Star Whip instead of the Vampire Killer, and only using one tune from the games, and only in the (admittedly good) castle entrance fight, it's like it was calculated to turn one of my favorite game series into something Not For Me. (I also have much, much nerdier criticisms, but I'll leave those out for now.)
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When you haven't had any in a while.
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Parkingtigers posted:Preacher had a line where a fallen angel was describing a demon he fell in love with: This is absolutely hilarious. Jesse's response to that line, in rough summary, is "This isn't a letter to Penthouse Forum, get to the loving point". Ennis wrote that line because he hated it, not because he wanted to wax lyrical.
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to be fair, in order to deconstruct something well, you have to understand the topic matter really well too.
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Yeah, I mean that’s the point. He can turn on the good writing, but then felt that both he and his edgy self insert character are both too cool for it and tears it down himself so he can get back to Starr lusting after a good pegging etc.
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Planetary is still extremely good, imo.
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I'm always drawn more to stylization over realism in comic art, so I love guys like Sam Kieth, Sienkiewicz, etc. I was just re-reading Meltdown, the miniseries with Wolverine and Havok which came out when I was a kid, and I always liked the depiction of Logan as a kind of dirty, boozy, violent dude with huge Popeye forearms. Could be considered bad art by others though, I like it
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Zoben posted:I'm always drawn more to stylization over realism in comic art, so I love guys like Same Kieth, Sienkiewicz, etc. I was just re-reading Meltdown, the miniseries with Wolverine and Havok which came out when I was a kid, and I always liked the depiction of Logan as a kind of dirty, boozy, violent dude with huge Popeye forearms. Could be considered bad art by others though, I like it The main thing I don't like about that is the sunglasses. Without those I think it would be a lot better.
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I love Wolverine's droopy Batman ears.
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Lobok posted:The main thing I don't like about that is the sunglasses. Without those I think it would be a lot better. The sunglasses turn it into a boomer Facebook profile pic, which makes it hilarious, imo.
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He's about to grab his Panther Assault Cannon and storm the local Renraku branch office.
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Lobok posted:The main thing I don't like about that is the sunglasses. Without those I think it would be a lot better. They were on a holiday road trip at the time, so it wasn’t like a dumb affectation so much as just where they were in the story at that point. I remember that series being incredible, and the art was a huge part of it as it was just so… different, at the time. I kinda want to revisit it to see how it holds up three decades later.
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Zoben posted:I'm always drawn more to stylization over realism in comic art, so I love guys like Same Kieth, Sienkiewicz, etc. I was just re-reading Meltdown, the miniseries with Wolverine and Havok which came out when I was a kid, and I always liked the depiction of Logan as a kind of dirty, boozy, violent dude with huge Popeye forearms. Could be considered bad art by others though, I like it love everything about this tbh 
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Havok & Wolverine: Meltdown rules
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Zoben posted:I'm always drawn more to stylization over realism in comic art, so I love guys like Same Kieth, Sienkiewicz, etc. I was just re-reading Meltdown, the miniseries with Wolverine and Havok which came out when I was a kid, and I always liked the depiction of Logan as a kind of dirty, boozy, violent dude with huge Popeye forearms. Could be considered bad art by others though, I like it I like that a lot, I might track that down.
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I was reading an old issue of Wizard and came across this familiar name in the monthly fan art contest dated April 1993. 
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Lobok posted:The main thing I don't like about that is the sunglasses. Without those I think it would be a lot better. That's fair, I wasn't entirely jazzed on that part either, but this came out in 1988. Wraparounds were unreservedly bitchin' back then.
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Zoben posted:That's fair, I wasn't entirely jazzed on that part either, but this came out in 1988. Wraparounds were unreservedly bitchin' back then. When are these making a comeback? 
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I'm so glad they were too expensive for me back then.
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