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Powered Descent posted:Here's an opinion that I can see is extremely unpopular, based on 90% of the cars on the road: Yeah, but it’s a socially acceptable and plausibly deniable means to make it slightly harder to read your plate.
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Josef bugman posted:Also very much this. So much of adult fiction is, to put it bluntly, unutterable shite and depressed people looking out of windows that something a bit more fun seems like a blessed relief. I've seen that take before from adults defending consuming almost exclusively children's media, and all it reveals that they still have a child's view of what media for adults is. Like, they think all movies that don't have superheroes or wizards in them are Revolutionary Road.
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Jun 20, 2021 13:03
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"Guys you're doing it wrong, you're only allowed to like the things I like and everything else is dumb and for idiots!"
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Gripweed posted:I've seen that take before from adults defending consuming almost exclusively children's media, and all it reveals that they still have a child's view of what media for adults is. Like, they think all movies that don't have superheroes or wizards in them are Revolutionary Road. I mean I read a lot of none fiction, so that is more on me. But it seems a lot of the stuff that is always put in place when people contrast their tastes with YA is stuff like Infinite Jest or the works of Dostoevsky. Which I can appreciate, but don't think is particularly fun to read all the dang time. I was overegging the pudding there though, sorry about that. Though it does bring up an interesting question, what is "stuff for adults"? Every time it seems to have a different definition and it always seems to be "oppositional?" as in it only exists in opposition to things that are childish. It's like how "masculinity" in a lot of instances seems to define itself only by it's opposition to "feminine" things.
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Jun 20, 2021 13:22
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Josef bugman posted:I mean I read a lot of none fiction, so that is more on me. But it seems a lot of the stuff that is always put in place when people contrast their tastes with YA is stuff like Infinite Jest or the works of Dostoevsky. Which I can appreciate, but don't think is particularly fun to read all the dang time. If it's got tits and swears in it, it's for adults. But I mean, yeah the definition of "stuff for adults" is going to be "anything that isn't for kids" because that's the criteria. People who bring up ~fancy~ stuff for adults in that kind of discussion are just trying to make themselves sound like the most adult people in the room. Like, the two "for adults" movies I've watched recently are The Nice Guys and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Both great movies and very fun. I hate the sad grownups looking out windows genre too. If I'm reading a book or movie synopsis and the phrase "still getting over a recent divorce" pops up, I'm out. Gripweed has a new favorite as of 13:40 on Jun 20, 2021 |
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Jun 20, 2021 13:37
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But that seems, how to put this, it seems to be extraordinarily limitless for something that people get very cross about stuff "not being". For me it's crime books and sexual menace. That or "professor contemplating adultery".
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Jun 20, 2021 13:44
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I think it's both kind of sad to say "I only read LITERARY NOVELS and watch ART MOVIES for ADULTS, everything else is for CHILDREN", and also a sign of immaturity to say "Peppa Pig and Harry Potter are actually totally appropriate entertainment for the discerning childless 35 year old".Josef bugman posted:Though it does bring up an interesting question, what is "stuff for adults"? Every time it seems to have a different definition and it always seems to be "oppositional?" as in it only exists in opposition to things that are childish. It's like how "masculinity" in a lot of instances seems to define itself only by it's opposition to "feminine" things. Young Adult media tend to have simple stories that teenagers can easily understand, and young characters for them to identify with. They also focus on plots that people in high school have some experience with, such as love triangles or evil authority figures. Normal Adult media isn't a genre, it can be books on any topic with any kind of story and characters. I guess what makes them different from Young Adult media is that they require some understanding of adult life and its problems to really appreciate. Of course, there are also books targeted at non-young adults that are basically wish fulfilment power fantasies, but someone who exclusively reads those would probably get much the same response as someone who sticks to YA. The main difference being that YA-only guy might be a pedo too.
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Jun 20, 2021 13:50
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The world is a lovely, stressful, terrifying place, and if an adult wants to relax and try to forget about how awful everything is by watching the space wizard in the magic box show up and save the day by waving his wand around, more power to them. You gotta do what you gotta do to stay sane in this world.
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Jun 20, 2021 14:07
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Yeah, but you have to remember that the thing you like is stupid, whereas the thing I like is cool and for sexy adults.
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Jun 20, 2021 14:08
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Josef bugman posted:But that seems, how to put this, it seems to be extraordinarily limitless for something that people get very cross about stuff "not being". Yeah it is limitless, that's kind of the whole thing. It's anything that isn't created to be consumed by children. It can be film noir and rape and adultery, it can also be adventure and sci-fi and horror and romance. Pulp Fiction is a movie for adults, and so is The Shape of Water and Paths of Glory and Fargo and The Royal Tenenbaums and Alien and American Psycho and The Lure and Rocky Horror Picture Show and Goodfellas and Lake Mungo and The Straight Story and on and on and on. "Stuff for grownups" covers literally everything that isn't made primarily to entertain children. That's why people who dismiss it all as boring look childish.
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Jun 20, 2021 14:11
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pidan posted:and also a sign of immaturity to say "Peppa Pig and Harry Potter are actually totally appropriate entertainment for the discerning childless 35 year old". i'm not a fan of YA stuff (or Harry Potter or Peppa Pig for that matter, just to get that out of the way) but the judgmental nature of this statement kinda irks me. its like, yeah, some media will have more layers/themes/emotional complexity going on than other, but you can't judge a person by the media they consume without knowing anything else about that person plus, people might get more out of the supposedly-simplistic, "immature" stuff that they're into than you. for example, i don't like Marvel cinematic universe at all - it doesn't do much for me, like at all. however, there's a great big bunch of people who find some kind of catharsis or emotional truth in these movies - judging by how engaged with them they get and by how much fanfic they write and all the theory-crafting and character analysis they do all over the place. so yeah, maybe they see something in there that i'm not seeing. maybe the source media acts more as a sort of a skeleton - simplistic and broad enough for people to latch onto and use the power of their imagination to build it up. i don't get it, but that doesn't make these people immature 35 year old childless sad pedos or whatever not to be the "let people enjoy things" guy and all, but loving let people enjoy things without making some weird assumptions, come the gently caress on.
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Vandar posted:The world is a lovely, stressful, terrifying place, and if an adult wants to relax and try to forget about how awful everything is by watching the space wizard in the magic box show up and save the day by waving his wand around, more power to them. If you are a grown adult who almost exclusively consumes media about the magic man who waves his magic wand to save the planet from the wicked Oomlooks, you deserve some degree of mockery for it. It doesn't mean you're a bad person, or dumb. Lots of people have things they do that are mockable.
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Jun 20, 2021 14:16
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The Oomlooks are allies of the Doctor, actually. 
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Jun 20, 2021 14:23
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Gripweed posted:If you are a grown adult who almost exclusively consumes media about the magic man who waves his magic wand to save the planet from the wicked Oomlooks, you deserve some degree of mockery for it. Yeah, exactly. You like what you like, and if I judged everyone who likes different things than I do I'd be here all day. But that doesn't mean I have to find every possible preference equally reasonable and good. The reason I specified "childless" was because, of course, many adults like to watch or read children's media with their children, and there's obviously nothing wrong with that.
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Gripweed posted:It doesn't mean you're a bad person, or dumb. Lots of people have things they do that are mockable. I suppose that it's because, to some folks, there is no real difference between mockery and bullying. Alongside that I think folks are raising valid arguments, it's just that I don't really feel comfortable going "gently caress you you possible pedo" for, well, watching stuff that isn't what I like?
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i mean, there's a difference between liking/not liking/critically engaging with media and judging/mocking people based on their preferences in media phuo: people should absolutely not be mocked for anything that is not harmful behaviour or abuse of power on their part or real-world-consequential stuff like that. media preferences are not nearly good enough reason for mockery, and if you find yourself trying to justify making fun of someone on that basis, or making lists which media is appropriate to whom and then mocking people based on that or whatever, you should probably reconsider. e: Josef bugman posted:I suppose that it's because, to some folks, there is no real difference between mockery and bullying. is there, really?
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It's okay to like anything you want so long as you don't spend any energy at all trying to convince me I should like it too. I am old enough to refuse to give a poo poo about what you like or pretend to care about it if I don't like it.
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nurmie posted:is there, really? That's kind of a big question. To me I'm not sure there is that much of a difference really. Making fun of people always seems really sad, or born out of frustration with them.
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I tried and I just can't bring myself to give a poo poo about the dealership plate holder thing
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I've read the harry potter novels more times than I can even remember (i'd guess at least a dozen, probably around 15), and I'm perfectly fine with being mocked for it, nobody should read things that many times over. Same with the dark tower (even more times) which isn't exactly "YA" but it's not considered to be haute literature either. Sometimes (well, almost all the times) I just want to read something I know I like instead of risking reading something I don't like. Plus when you get that familiar with them you can know in advance which parts are OK to skim through. also I still have the dealership thing on my license plate. I could easily remove it, but i've never cared enough to bring my screw driver out and do it.
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Jun 20, 2021 15:00
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Gripweed posted:"Stuff for grownups" covers literally everything that isn't made primarily to entertain children. True, but nobody ever means Fury Road, Independence Day or Gladiator when they're talking about how people need to watch Movies For Adults.
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I’m nearly 30 and near exclusively watch animated stuff because I’m an artist/animator and I like cartoons  My adhd plays a part too since live action stuff generally doesn’t hold my attention as well (unless there’s like, an actor I like looking at, or ladies in love in the case of Fried Green Tomatoes). Not to say I absolutely can’t watch it, but I’m more likely to want to do other things at the same time whilst watching so that I’m actually able to pay attention. As for a PHUO: roast beef/pork sucks
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I think liking whatever is fine but the number of people who put their Hogwarts house in their dating app bio or claim that any indistinguishable CG background from a Marvel movie is a masterpiece of cinematography are why fans are broadly (and IMO accurately) branded as immature.
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Jun 20, 2021 15:12
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Butt Detective posted:I’m nearly 30 and near exclusively watch animated stuff because I’m an artist/animator and I like cartoons Bad roast beef is the worst food but good roast beef is the best food.
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Jun 20, 2021 15:37
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Butt Detective posted:As for a PHUO: roast beef/pork sucks Yeah lamb is far superior.
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The only thing you should be made fun of for liking is anime.
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I hate Captain Monkey.
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I think that, in general, a lot of things that seem foolish or stupid are explicable by the person. The problem is that there is a fundamental seperation between oneself and others, and worse a gap between oneself and oneself.
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I'd point out that this kind of discourse almost exclusively happens on the internet. Like I've recently revisited Harry Potter, and especially the early ones before it tries to be serious and political are delightful. I have no shame. It's hilarious to see Severus Snape the cartoon gross wizard man sprinting up and down the stairs of the castle to land sick burns on the various 12 year olds he considers his serious rivals. And I'm not about to endorse JK Rowling or give that awful woman money. But in my posting career I really prefer going "lol remember when Snape ran up from the dungeon to land a burn" to writing a book report on Anna Karenina. Irl I like to think it's pretty obvious I'm not a dumbass who can't and doesn't read better books, but online, well, here we are. Look at this silly pathetic man. Edgar Allen Ho has a new favorite as of 18:40 on Jun 20, 2021 |
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As long as we can agree that Doctor Who is a bad television show and that the YA fiction community is absolutely bonkers we’re fine
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Most of the famous big name anime shows are either utter trash, aimed at 13 year olds or fall drastically in quality towards the end. Sometimes, they do every one of those things! Despite this, anime is cool and good.
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thetoughestbean posted:As long as we can agree that Doctor Who is a bad television show and that the YA fiction community is absolutely bonkers we’re fine Yeah I feel like this discussion has drifted from the point that Doctor Who is a poorly made show for babies and if you're an adult who likes it you should be ashamed of that.
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Gripweed posted:Yeah I feel like this discussion has drifted from the point that Doctor Who is a poorly made show for babies and if you're an adult who likes it you should be ashamed of that. I've not seen Dr Who since I was about... I want to say 19? But it seemed relatively inoffensive back then. Has it really become so rubbish now?
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My PHUO regards Dr Who is that the Seventh Doctor (Sylvester McCoy) is the best and totally unrelated to me being twelve at the time. Also, Kandy Man (a psychotic robot made of lollies) is easily my favorites Dr Who bad guy. https://youtu.be/Qkjc_5yGCmM "Impolite guests feel the back of my candy hand" is a fantastic line. Elissimpark has a new favorite as of 19:39 on Jun 20, 2021 |
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Grouchio posted:I hate Captain Monkey. Great post for the unpopular opinion thread. 
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nurmie posted:thusly, PHUO: uncritically hopping on the "thing is UNCOOL" bandwagon can be as uncool and problematic (if not more) as enjoying "uncool" or "problematic" media in the first place Josef bugman posted:What is a "grown up" thing to do? Think of it like this, you can go to the gym everyday for decades and never gain an inch of muscle, you need to add weight to become stronger. Likewise you need to constantly challenge yourself mentally with the works you consume otherwise you are stuck in stagnation. Josef bugman posted:Also very much this. So much of adult fiction is, to put it bluntly, unutterable shite and depressed people looking out of windows that something a bit more fun seems like a blessed relief. I've had this conversation before but people tend to assume that "Literature" or "Adult Fiction" or whatever you wanna call it, is all Great Gatsby rich people being sad, or endless ruminations on the meaningless of life. Which can be true of a lot of works, but it's hardly the majority. If you always retreat into what's comfortable I don't think you'll end up a very happy person at the end of the day.
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Henchman of Santa posted:I think liking whatever is fine but the number of people who put their Hogwarts house in their dating app bio or claim that any indistinguishable CG background from a Marvel movie is a masterpiece of cinematography are why fans are broadly (and IMO accurately) branded as immature. Also this
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Gaius Marius posted:I don't really think this is true at all. Glancing over at my bookshelf the most depressing book on it is, apropos to the conversation yesterday, The Thirty Years War by Peter Wilson. What does "challenging yourself mentally" even mean? How do you see it happening, and at what point do you notice results as it were? Mines probably Colonial Violence by Dierk Walter. Maybe Nietzsche or "the violence of Austerity" book. What is literature? What makes it up? Is it the "Western Cannon", is it pulp or any number of other books? Because I can tell you for nothing that I got a whole lot more out of Night Watch then I ever did out of the Epic of Gilgamesh, and not just because my translation was garbo.
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Gaius Marius posted:If you always retreat into what's comfortable I don't think you'll end up a very happy person at the end of the day. The only way the worker can find joy is by maximizing their profit potential and achieving the ‘adult’ existence something awful poster Gaius Marius has decreed is valid. All other people are joyless shells of human beings.
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