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namlosh posted:also at the same time was creative labs refusing to update drivers to work with it for their older (like older than a year) cards… what a shitshow that was this bit was microsoft being fully correct and creative labs doing their best sulk about it, in that everything consumer (and arguably 99% of pro) "hardware accelerated" audio did was entirely trivial on cpu. even with the low-end cpus of the day. arguably a lot of what vista did was microsoft inexplicably doing an entirely correct break with the past, to a point where i wonder if they internally knew it'd be a hugely hated release for the short-term pains.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:this bit was microsoft being fully correct and creative labs doing their best sulk about it, in that everything consumer (and arguably 99% of pro) "hardware accelerated" audio did was entirely trivial on cpu. even with the low-end cpus of the day. lol @ the puppetmaster Microsoft idea
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Sapozhnik posted:lol XPS lol thinkpads havent been good for like a decade
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new xps17s just came out. prob gonna get one for work
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Shaggar posted:lol thinkpads havent been good for like a decade more like for ever
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Sapozhnik posted:lol XPS xps has been aluminum and carbon fibre for at least six years now
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Drastic Actions posted:Remember that Windows 10X SKU that was gonna fail on its own? What if we made that the next version of Windows nah. 10x was about making wcos happen because sunk cost. win11 is "oh poo poo what do we do now that wcos is dead? reskin win10 i guess." Drastic Actions posted:the MAUI team has, I believe, 9 people full-time working on the platform. you want tooling for the most impactful .net desktop undertaking in over a decade? nah i don't think so, too busy wasting hundreds of man years on a tooling project that everyone told us not to do because it would definitely fail.
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Shaggar posted:lol thinkpads havent been good for like a decade Mine's 6 years old and a loving tank. Plus if it breaks it's easy to fix it. They're still decent, definitely compared to consumer grade crap.
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I'll take my thinkpad over the lovely rear end hps we had to deal with
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Chris Knight posted:I'll take my thinkpad over the lovely rear end hps we had to deal with huge pile
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Every thinkpad I've owned last lasted me five years. The previous one is still in perfect order, I just got tired of dealing with 8GB of soldered RAM.
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mediaphage posted:lmaooooooooo asus is complete catnip for tech journalists, they just throw whatever the gently caress at the wall which drives those clicks
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the only three companies on that list that make anything that isn't pure trash are apple, dell and lenovo and you gotta be real careful with dell and lenovo.
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Sagebrush posted:the only three companies on that list that make anything that isn't pure trash are apple, dell and lenovo and you gotta be real careful with dell and lenovo. oh absolutely, if you needed any further proof that almost all tech bloggers are terrible, there it is (and i did it for money for a decade or more) one time the asus pr guy told me about how they had a new blogger who really wanted in, and begged them constantly for a review unit. they finally sent a gaming laptop out, dude does a review and puts it up, time goes by a few weeks then a couple of months asus keeps hounding the guy and is like YO when are you sending back our laptop and the dude acts all surprised and affronted and goes "you guys wanted that back?? i already gave it to my girlfriend for christmas"
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Sagebrush posted:the only three companies on that list that make anything that isn't pure trash are apple, dell and lenovo and you gotta be real careful with dell and lenovo. yep. lucky that the carefulness can be guided down to two (xps, precision) and one (thinkpad) product lines respectively too, since the full portfolio ratio of trash to good is pretty tiny. but then a whole bunch of the thinkpads are really really good.
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mediaphage posted:lmaooooooooo what the hell
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Sagebrush posted:the only three companies on that list that make anything that isn't pure trash are apple, dell and lenovo and you gotta be real careful with dell and lenovo. oh well, do hp's defense they have that elitebook series, isn't that kinda like xps? but yeah, agree
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Tankakern posted:oh well, do hp's defense they have that elitebook series, isn't that kinda like xps? but yeah, agree pretty sure there are only two kinds of elitebooks: trash and ones weighing like 3 kilos. and the latter is sometimes relevant, but very rarely what people (should) look for in a laptop in 2021.
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hp, dell, and lenovo all make good laptops they also make an absolute ocean of crap, from which you have to find the good ones. which models are good will vary from year to year. sometimes none of them are good, and you have to settle on "barely adequate". yospos is also full of dumbasses who will loudly proclaim that $BRAND of laptop is terrible, when their only experience is from their work laptop which is underspecced trash because their company/IT department is run by cheapskate morons
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yeah they all love to ship dodge stratus it manager specials so they can shave $20 bucks off the thousand they’re buying by putting in the worst remaindered poo poo parts but will opt for loving lojack and the laser asset tag etching
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that may be true, but we had a crop of elitebooks that were high spec dev machines with the worst failure rate i've ever seen. i was the only one without multiple board and part replacements out of seven on our team in three years time that was almost a decade ago so maybe they've improved but it was a real bummer. they were also built like ugly tanks, then, so I wouldn't be surprised to hear they've improved measurably over the years. if you told me that was because they bought compaq and relabeled them for a few year I'd fully believe it based on how bad those were in the oughts
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Agile Vector posted:that may be true, but we had a crop of elitebooks that were high spec dev machines with the worst failure rate i've ever seen. i was the only one without multiple board and part replacements out of seven on our team in three years time their failure rate is bad, but not microsoft surface bad
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PCjr sidecar posted:yeah they all love to ship dodge stratus it manager specials so they can shave $20 bucks off the thousand they’re buying by putting in the worst remaindered poo poo parts but will opt for loving lojack and the laser asset tag etching maybe 7 years ago, before i understood this about IT departments, i had ours spec out the new workstations for the student 3d modeling lab. i said "well, the most important things are a graphics card like XYZ model and at least N gigbytes of ram" and figured they would understand the general performance class to shoot for and build the rest of the machines to suit. nope! they bought the parts i specifically requested, but put in the cheapest dogshit nominally "workstation-class" xeon Es and loving 5400rpm hard drives. and then of course loaded them up with an unbelievable amount of asset management software that makes the drives churn at 99% for twenty minutes every time you log in. gently caress's sake Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Jun 20, 2021 |
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Hmm I think we need to buy a fourth anti-virus program to install alongside the other three anti-virus programs. What if there's a super-virus that the other three don't catch.
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it's like doubling up on covid vaccines, just in case
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mediaphage posted:lmaooooooooo such a shameful graph that no one is putting their name to it
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SO DEMANDING posted:yospos is also full of dumbasses who will loudly proclaim that $BRAND of laptop is terrible, when their only experience is from their work laptop which is underspecced trash because their company/IT department is run by cheapskate morons
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Agile Vector posted:that may be true, but we had a crop of elitebooks that were high spec dev machines with the worst failure rate i've ever seen. i was the only one without multiple board and part replacements out of seven on our team in three years time pc laptops were still impressively poo poo 10 years ago. intel had only just created the ultrabook concept, i'm convinced that it took their reference designs for pc manufacturers to catch up with apple
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“ultra book” is just slang for a MacBook Pro knock off
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Acer and Asus laptops are fine. Now I'll just unsubscribe from this thread for a couple days while everyone yells at me.
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PCjr sidecar posted:their failure rate is bad, but not microsoft surface bad oh, yeah, by that standard they're smooth sailing. at least with a decent support team we were able to get repairs done on-site quickly. not sure ms was going to send someone out to reglue the base on a surface laptop to fix a bad mobo SO DEMANDING posted:pc laptops were still impressively poo poo 10 years ago. intel had only just created the ultrabook concept, i'm convinced that it took their reference designs for pc manufacturers to catch up with apple that ref design definitely marked a pivot in the industry. the one plus the old crap designs had was perceived serviceability, but i'd guess the business models today are almost as easy to pop and swap while still being thinner and more durable
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Agile Vector posted:oh, yeah, by that standard they're smooth sailing. at least with a decent support team we were able to get repairs done on-site quickly. not sure ms was going to send someone out to reglue the base on a surface laptop to fix a bad mobo agree with much of this as to the chart above i think a number of those companies put out laptops that are either good or at least more than okay for the first year. i just flat out don’t believe that durability or longevity is something that many of them care about even though it’s very common for people to keep laptops for loving ever these days i can’t imagine what a 2012 acer laptop would look like now but my mbp is trucking along like a champ
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does anyone besides lenovo even make a decent laptop keyboard now? i'm buying a new laptop soon for personal projects & it has to be good to use away from an external keyboard which rules out apple instantly but maybe not other vendors mystes posted:Acer and Asus laptops are fine. asus have non-scam pricing which is a novelty in the consumer laptop market. hi lenovo here, do you want to go from a 256gb to 1tb ssd? that will be $500 despite going from a $30 part to a $90 part. want 32gb of ram? that will be $400 for us to put in a $40 stick of ram. thankfully lenovo's t14 is one of the last laptops in the world that you can replace ram & ssd & screen on trivially.
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Khorne posted:does anyone besides lenovo even make a decent laptop keyboard now? Apple dropped the butterfly keyboard so they’re good again
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Nomnom Cookie posted:Apple dropped the butterfly keyboard so they’re good again and did they stop making the top of the keys completely flat & so close together that there's effectively no gap
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did lenovo figure out how to make a trackpad that even remotely works? i mean even by the standards of windows laptops they have objectively the worst trackpads i've used in 25 years of computer touching. the solution may be "use the nub" but this isn't the 1990s, no one but greybeard grognards is using the nub.
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infernal machines posted:did lenovo figure out how to make a trackpad that even remotely works? apple got trackpads right in 2010 or so & then decided to make them real huge for no good reason around the time other vendors started making usable trackpads Khorne fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Jun 21, 2021 |
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SO DEMANDING posted:hp, dell, and lenovo all make good laptops actually they are all poo poo and apple makes the only good laptops
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