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Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

The Lone Badger posted:

So who are we selling replica shermans to? Survivalist militias?

A lot of companies that do poo poo like run props for movies or let people shoot their poo poo for fun or whatever else have FFLs. Past a certain point all sorts of people get interested in your poo poo and it makes sense to set up a business to deal with it.

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Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Raenir Salazar posted:

People who don't like their HOA's.

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?
WW2 reenactors

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

The Lone Badger posted:

So who are we selling replica shermans to? Survivalist militias?

Movie studios, museums, rich reenactors, small towns who want to put up an expensive war memorial, rich people, weapons collectors who can't get a genuine working-condition Sherman, the Paraguayan Army (they still use either Shermans or Stuarts for training), Jay Leno...

Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Jun 21, 2021

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Cyrano4747 posted:

A lot of companies that do poo poo like run props for movies or let people shoot their poo poo for fun or whatever else have FFLs. Past a certain point all sorts of people get interested in your poo poo and it makes sense to set up a business to deal with it.

Yeah but I want to start manufacturing shermans. Small production line.

Valtonen
May 13, 2014

Tanks still suck but you don't gotta hand it to the Axis either.

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

MParaguayan Army (they still use either Shermans or Stuarts for training),

This is a light tank based on the m5 stu chassis; Its a ship of theseus with very little in common with the original..

Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005

I would like to make sure this doesn't drown in tankchat:

Cracker King posted:

Any recommendations for early naval history (or really “figuring this navy stuff out”) like during the first two Punic Wars. Particularly the development of the Corvus.

I read Cartage Must Be Destroyed, which was a good read about Hannibal and Rome’s view of him.

Or really - anything to do with ancient watercraft knowledge - and creating of seaworthy vessels and exploring new lands.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
I like the story of Rome getting a carthage ship and then reverse engineering it while adapting it to suit their tactics on land and then slowly just steadily winning the war with Carthage just not being able to do much in response; it's a strangely compelling story.

Trin Tragula posted:

I would like to make sure this doesn't drown in tankchat:

I see what you did there.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

Cyrano4747 posted:

A lot of companies that do poo poo like run props for movies or let people shoot their poo poo for fun or whatever else have FFLs. Past a certain point all sorts of people get interested in your poo poo and it makes sense to set up a business to deal with it.

Isn't the highest rate of civilian machine gun ownership in America found in California for this exact reason?

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?
I actually know a guy who owns a Sherman. He got his in the 90s (I think) when the DoS allowed for a very limited reimportation of Shermans we had given to Israel in the 50s (I think). They had little left in terms of their original equipment. The engines had been changed from gasoline to diesel and the gun had been upgraded to something much larger that 75mm which also necessitated extensive modifications to the turret, but the rest of it was stock. I got to ride around in it and we crushed a shed with it for fun.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Memento posted:

Isn't the highest rate of civilian machine gun ownership in America found in California for this exact reason?

I doubt it, with a caveat.

Without getting too into the weeds about pre-86 and post-86 and all that poo poo, there are a few different categories of MGs, and it's not based on function or anything but purely on what kind of license you have and when the gun was registerd.

The tl;dr is that if you're a certain type of business that got an extra tax stamp on its license (or the military or police which is a different type of FFL not worth discussing here) you can both buy brand new MGs and make them yourself. So the normal rules don't really apply in those cases.

Meanwhile, if Joe Goon wants to own a MG as a private citizen they're restricted to a relatively small number of guns that were on the registry before it was closed, and that limited supply means that they range between low four and six figures, with most sitting around $New_Lexus in cost.

So if you're talking purely "not owned by the military or police" then . . . maybe. But if you're talking about the actual transferable MGs that regular people* might be able to buy, then I don't think that's accuate.

*"regular person" defined here as a person who can afford to spend more than the average american's yearly income on a gun

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.

The Lone Badger posted:

So who are we selling replica shermans to? Survivalist militias?

Anyone who needs to stand up to the Man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAbkNu_rF50

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013

The Lone Badger posted:

So who are we selling replica shermans to? Survivalist militias?

Girls und Panzer cosplayers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozL2wEoZiRs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT6rc8qNPkc

Ritz On Toppa Ritz
Oct 14, 2006

You're not allowed to crumble unless I say so.
Beep beep Sherman coming through.

For real though, anything for old ‘figuring out Navy’ stuff?

I can tread water if I have to wait for more Sherman facts. :agesilaus:

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
.

Weka fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Jun 24, 2021

Loezi
Dec 18, 2012

Never buy the cheap stuff

Phanatic posted:

The gun would be a Destructive Device but as long as you're just firing solid rounds, not HP or incendiary or AP, you're good to go.

This led me down a rabbit hole of figuring out what the definition of an AP round is in the US.

So it seems to me that ammunition can be "armor piercing" if and only if it is designed to be used in a "handgun":

27 CFR § 478.11 posted:

Armor piercing ammunition. Projectiles or projectile cores which may be used in a handgun and which are constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or full jacketed projectiles larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile. The term does not include shotgun shot required by Federal or State environmental or game regulations for hunting purposes, frangible projectiles designed for target shooting, projectiles which the Director finds are primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes, or any other projectiles or projectile cores which the Director finds are intended to be used for industrial purposes, including charges used in oil and gas well perforating devices.

Handgun, in turn, is this thing:

27 CFR § 478.11 posted:

Handgun.

(a) Any firearm which has a short stock and is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand; and

(b) Any combination of parts from which a firearm described in paragraph (a) can be assembled.

So, uhh, I'd imagine the Sherman, having no stock, would fall within "has a short stock". The gun is kinda designed to hold itself up, and I assume it is indeed designed to be fired by the use of a single hand. So a Sherman might be a handgun, then?

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

But can you really work the aiming/firing mechanism in the turret with a single hand?

Helter Skelter
Feb 10, 2004

BEARD OF HAVOC

It's a bit of a reach, but the destructive device classification supersedes the handgun definition anyway, so it's kind of moot.

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018

Not military history, but a historical military event; the German armed forces get their first Jewish military chaplain since -33: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/20/europe/rabbi-zsolt-balla-german-military-jewish-intl-cmd/index.html

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug
Medium Tank T25

Queue: Heavy Tank T26/T26E1/T26E3, Career of Harry Knox, GMC M36, Geschützwagen Tiger für 17cm K72 (Sf), Early Early Soviet tank development (MS-1, AN Teplokhod), Career of Semyon Aleksandrovich Ginzburg, AT-1, Object 140, SU-76 frontline impressions, Creation of the IS-3, IS-6, SU-5, Myths of Soviet tank building: 1943-44, IS-2 post-war modifications, Myths of Soviet tank building: end of the Great Patriotic War, Medium Tank T6, RPG-1, Lahti L-39, American tank building plans post-war, German tanks for 1946, HMC M7 Priest, GMC M12, GMC M40/M43, ISU-152, AMR 35 ZT, Soviet post-war tank building plans, T-100Y and SU-14-1, Object 430, Pz.Kpfw.35(t), T-60 tanks in combat, SU-76M modernizations, Panhard 178, 15 cm sFH 13/1 (Sf), 43M Zrínyi, Medium Tank M46, Modernization of the M48 to the M60 standard, German tank building trends at the end of WW2, Pz.Kpfw.III/IV, E-50 and E-75 development, Pre-war and early war British tank building, BT-7M/A-8 trials, Jagdtiger suspension, Light Tank T37, Light Tank T41, T-26-6 (SU-26), Voroshilovets tractor trials, Israeli armour 1948–1982, T-64's composite armour, Evolution of German tank observation devices


Available for request (others' articles):

:ussr:
Shashmurin's career
T-55 underwater driving equipment
T-34 tanks with M-17 engines NEW


:godwin:
Oerlikon and Solothurn anti-tank rifles

Ensign Expendable fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Jun 21, 2021

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
Curious about tank observation devices.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Siivola posted:

The 30 Years' War was about states' rights.

FastestGunAlive
Apr 7, 2010

Dancing palm tree.
Just gonna leave this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yndRSqA69Kc
Edit: didn’t realize I was about three years late on this. Sorry

FastestGunAlive fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Jun 21, 2021

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

What's the earliest recorded use of a balloon or other aircraft for war purposes?

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

FastestGunAlive posted:

Just gonna leave this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yndRSqA69Kc
Edit: didn’t realize I was about three years late on this. Sorry

I thought this show was…not good. For a show called “Das Boot” it had basically no Uboat combat instead focusing on a convoluted plot where the uboat crew mutiny against the captain, throw him off the boat, and he ends up in….New York City??? :psyduck:

The resistance side plot was a little more interesting if nothing special.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

VostokProgram posted:

What's the earliest recorded use of a balloon or other aircraft for war purposes?

For man carrying balloons, the Battle of Fleurus, 1794.

Signaling balloon lanterns have been a thing for ages in China though apparently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_military_ballooning

PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Jun 21, 2021

Camrath
Mar 19, 2004

The UKMT Fudge Baron


Solaris 2.0 posted:

I thought this show was…not good. For a show called “Das Boot” it had basically no Uboat combat instead focusing on a convoluted plot where the uboat crew mutiny against the captain, throw him off the boat, and he ends up in….New York City??? :psyduck:

The resistance side plot was a little more interesting if nothing special.

Season two was excellent, if bleak beyond all words.

Mycroft Holmes
Mar 26, 2010

by Azathoth
so, kind of a weird question. I'm running an RPG campaign set in LOTR and I need to know what warfare looks like about that time period it's based on. Any reccomendations?

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?

Mycroft Holmes posted:

so, kind of a weird question. I'm running an RPG campaign set in LOTR and I need to know what warfare looks like about that time period it's based on. Any reccomendations?

So like, war in the second age?

Mycroft Holmes
Mar 26, 2010

by Azathoth

Scratch Monkey posted:

So like, war in the second age?

I was under the impression that, in the books, warfare resembles that of the Norman Invasion of 1066. Thus, the War of the Ring sees chainmail as the primary armor and things like that.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ
Here are some links to a blog that came up recently in this thread:
https://acoup.blog/2019/05/10/collections-the-siege-of-gondor/
https://acoup.blog/2020/05/01/collections-the-battle-of-helms-deep-part-i-bargaining-for-goods-at-helms-gate/
https://acoup.blog/2019/10/18/collections-the-battlefield-after-the-battle/

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

Mycroft Holmes posted:

so, kind of a weird question. I'm running an RPG campaign set in LOTR and I need to know what warfare looks like about that time period it's based on. Any reccomendations?

I have no idea how accurate it is (the author is some kind of historian, but I forget which kind!), but the blog "A Collection of Unmitigated Pedantry" has a lengthy analysis of the Battle of Helm's Deep (first post here). There's a similar sequence on the Siege of Gondor (starts here).

e:f;b

Saukkis
May 16, 2003

Unless I'm on the inside curve pointing straight at oncoming traffic the high beams stay on and I laugh at your puny protest flashes.
I am Most Important Man. Most Important Man in the World.

Hah, I was about to post same list of links, but would have also included this one.

Collections: Gondor Heavy Infantry Kit Review

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ
I also like this one, which I can't unsee every time I play a video game now:
https://acoup.blog/2019/07/12/collections-the-lonely-city-part-i-the-ideal-city/

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
The blog ACOUP (which is run by a genuine historian) has a bunch of posts touching on LOTR stuff, particularly these long series on The Siege of Gondor and Helm's Deep which will probably be basically perfect for what you're looking for.

I'd never studied much military history so maybe this isn't actually super rare knowledge, but his explanation of the difference in strategy/operations in those posts especially was kind of mind blowing to me; obvious though it seems in retrospect I'd really never conceptualized how important the greater motivations/goals should be in how everything else plays out (or is planned to play out, at least) until I read it (and considering how most fiction is I know I'm not alone). He also goes pretty deep into logistics, and touches a lot on what he thinks the real world inspirations Tolkein and Jackson drew on for the various powers were. And lots of other things too, the posts are super long.

The blog is actually partially tailored towards "world builders" (i.e. people creating settings for stuff like RPGs, games, and books) so you'll find a lot of other posts that are relevant to you if you go digging; he has a list of a bunch of them here. Not listed there but I'd also really recommend his one on iron production, which covers a lot of the realities of it (e.g. huge iron objects are unrealistic in the premodern period, and just how much fuel it takes) that were totally new to me.

One of these days I kinda wanna have some discussion of some of the author's stuff itt because I think a lot of people here would be extremely into it, but I should probably try to condense the points down into something quickly readable because the posts are universally extremely long.


e: oh dang extremely beaten. I've been mainlining the blog over the past few months though; it's mostly about challenging how pop culture portrays history, and it's totally transformed how I view a lot of things.

Koramei fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Jun 22, 2021

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Koramei posted:

He also goes pretty deep into logistics, and touches a lot on what he thinks the real world inspirations Tolkein and Jackson drew on for the various powers were. And lots of other things too, the posts are super long..

I do enjoy how he sometimes bags on Jackson (who knows the square root of poo poo about history) vs Tolkien (literally a professor specialising in early mediaeval English literature) when it comes to tactics, logistics etc in the movie versus book versions. Tolkien knew how early mediaeval warfare worked, and it shows.

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
Yeah, I wondered at points if he was maybe reading more into the implications of the quality of war-planning (particularly re: Saruman) as being important for the characters than Tolkien had actually intended, but either way it's remarkable how much the actions of the factions in the book actually seem to make sense.

Arban
Aug 28, 2017
Also, Tolkien had experienced war as an communications officer at the Somme.

el3m
Jun 18, 2005
Grimey Drawer

For anyone looking into this, the Archive.org version seemed to be cropped into 16:9 cutting off the bottom and top, but I found this youtube playlist with correct 4:3 aspect ratio
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3H6z037pboGWTxs3xGP7HRGrQ5dOQdGc

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Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

el3m posted:

For anyone looking into this, the Archive.org version seemed to be cropped into 16:9 cutting off the bottom and top, but I found this youtube playlist with correct 4:3 aspect ratio
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3H6z037pboGWTxs3xGP7HRGrQ5dOQdGc

Cool, thanks!

Balloon fact: the CIA used spy balloons throughout the cold war to do aerial recon over the USSR. The Balloons would float in the stratosphere and slowly drift across Europe and Asia, then dropping their payload box into the Pacific.

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