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It's amazing how the truth is always even worse than "careful mate that asylum seeker wants your cookie." They could literally give 69" smart TVs to everyone who turns up in a rubber boat and it'd be less bad than what's currently happening. It'd be pretty nice!
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Jun 21, 2021 12:07
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If you sell things cheaply people won't buy them when they are expensive. Got to employ people to work in the scarcity factory.
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Jun 21, 2021 12:09
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1406887601647370240?s=19 But you see free market capitalism is the most efficient way to distribute resources....
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Jun 21, 2021 12:09
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OwlFancier posted:If you sell things cheaply people won't buy them when they are expensive. Got to employ people to work in the scarcity factory. Can't even do "not all large corporations are Captain Planet villains" properly.
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Jun 21, 2021 12:13
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If you give them out the might, conceivably, go to someone who could buy them, and that eats into potential sales. Also if you could just be poor and get things for free then poverty is less of a threat and if that were the case then who would work in the amazon warehouse? Same reason supermarkets destroy the majority of their unsold food. There has to be a threat, there has to be pain, if there isn't then you can't force people to spend money.
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Jun 21, 2021 12:16
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There must be some kind of way that they could give away free laptops to means tested families that comes with a 90 day subscription to Amazon Fresh grocery delivery that is 1% more revenue agile than just destroying them, has anyone checked what Jo Swinson is doing? It takes actual effort to be more useless than that kind of soft as shite pseudo-progressiveness.
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Jun 21, 2021 12:24
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Fortunately the England team are safe because none of them were in close contact with him during the match. Hes an 18 year old footballer. Of course they're not following the rules.
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Jun 21, 2021 12:27
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OwlFancier posted:If you give them out the might, conceivably, go to someone who could buy them, and that eats into potential sales. Also if you could just be poor and get things for free then poverty is less of a threat and if that were the case then who would work in the amazon warehouse? If you give them to the poor, who need money and not luxury goods, they will presumably sell them cheaply for things they actually need. That this is still Good out of proportion to any sales supposedly lost doesn’t seem to occur to anyone involved.
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Jun 21, 2021 12:33
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That's actually even worse because if they sell them to people who are not means tested then that causes even more lost sales. If they were trying to do good they wouldn't be running amazon would they? The point is to extract money and to shape the world into one that is more immediately able to extract money.
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Jun 21, 2021 12:46
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But number has to go up.
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Jun 21, 2021 12:53
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Yelling at someone for being anti-Semitic, homophobic, sexist, or going behind ones back to Jacob Reece Mogg is not “bullying” fucks sake.
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Jun 21, 2021 13:17
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You'd think it would be easy enough to set up a charitable initiative where, in the case of TVs, ipads etc., stock can be sold and profits go to charity or something. Then you don't face the potential horror of giving something away customers for FREE I guess the vast, vast majority of the stuff will be complete tat though, clearly of no interest to anyone, even for free.
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Jun 21, 2021 13:32
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An argument over how Amazon distributes its waste is useless given the context that Amazon should not exist at all.
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Jun 21, 2021 13:32
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It's morally repugnant behaviour to destroy things for the sole reason of denying them to those who would use them. Especially when they are destroying items that people on the wages they pay will often be unable to afford. It's cruelty and avarice on a vast scale to line the pockets of those who have no need for it.
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Jun 21, 2021 13:50
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I think the high end designer clothing brands destroy all their unsold stock too rather than donate it and have poors devalue their image like this
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Jun 21, 2021 13:57
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Azza Bamboo posted:An argument over how Amazon distributes its waste is useless given the context that Amazon should not exist at all. This is a common take but I think it's pretty short-sighted. Amazon's logistical infrastructure is an extremely impressive operation and if that could be nationalised and geared towards effective resource distribution it could do very cool things indeed
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Jun 21, 2021 14:03
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honestly I'm starting to think capitalism was a mistake
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Jun 21, 2021 14:07
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The supermarket food waste thing seems obscene on the surface, and it does represent a failure of effective distribution, but most food is perishable and the way food waste can be recycled is far from the worst. Even if we set up a system that ensures everyone is getting fed properly, that wouldn't necessarily be the same as a system that minimizes food waste, so in that situation the human factor prevails and the priority is the number of people who aren't being fed properly far more than the quantity of food that's being churned back around the system, nutrition is not a fossil resource (other than phosphorus, but there are ways to maximize the cycle of that). You end up with a bioconveyor circuit to move solar energy into growing people, and under a proper economic system there'd still be what looks like waste. But doing churn like that on products of advanced manufacturing is the dumbest poo poo. Like even if it were subject to huge fines I'm not sure they'd stop for that reason, it's a failure of both humanity and process flow from a combination of paperclip maximizing and not caring.
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Jun 21, 2021 14:09
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Had my second jab, now I'm immune to everything.
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Jun 21, 2021 14:45
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Polly Toynbee real smart https://twitter.com/pollytoynbee/status/1406971506790387715?s=20
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Jun 21, 2021 14:46
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forkboy84 posted:Polly Toynbee real smart Lmao calling Labour voters stupid, a winning strategy as ever from her
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Jun 21, 2021 14:53
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- Good lord, what is happening to your vote share? - Tactical voting for the Liberal Democrats? - Ta- Tactical voting? For the Liberal Democrats, in a safe Tory seat, in this part of the country, localized entirely within one by-election? - Yes!
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Jun 21, 2021 14:56
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What the gently caress does any of this mean? If the tory vote collapses that shows that there are quite a lot of people who dont like the Tories and so it's pretty damning that people who don't like the Tories still don't want to vote for Labour.
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Jun 21, 2021 14:59
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It means they're all secretly itching to vote for Tony Blair of the Tony Blair Foundation.
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Jun 21, 2021 15:00
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forkboy84 posted:Polly Toynbee real smart she votes for lib dems though?
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Jun 21, 2021 15:01
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Grey Hunter posted:Leader of the Opposition Bercow - while not going to progress left goals - would give Labour someone with a chance of winning - and prime minister question time would be amazing every week. This was the exact platform that Starmer won the leadership on, and look how that's going. Just because Bercow did a pretty good job of the Speaker role in difficult circumstances doesn't mean he would be a good/effective/electable leader of Labour. "Someone with a chance of winning" is a bullshit concept invented by an infantile political press. The truth is that a chance of winning is something you create with your own hands, it's not somehow intrinsic to the person. The proof of that is the 2017 GE, where pundits lined up to predict that Corbyn's personal, inherent lack of electability was going to lead to disaster and electoral wipeout. And they were completely wrong, not wrong in terms of whether Corbyn is or was electable or not, but by the fact that it's just not a thing to begin with, it's something they made up as a stick to beat people they don't like. Of course after the fact they all pivoted to "May lost votes more than Corbyn won them" (despite that being directly contradicted by the vote counts) and "yeah but he still didn't win" (despite the fact that he achieved a bigger swing than '97, so even Blair never won hard enough to win in 2017). I think it's fine to appreciate Bercow's good points, and it would be even easier to do so if he publicly addressed the bad points from earlier in his career. But at least make sure you're doing so from your own perspective, not that of our poo poo infested political media.
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Jun 21, 2021 15:56
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Hmm, yes; "Vote for the winning team, you morons!" To paraphrase Azza from earlier, arguing about Polly Toynbee is useless given the context that Polly Toynbee shouldn't exist at all.
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Jun 21, 2021 15:56
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Scikar posted:
I think a lot of people misunderstood what I meant. Bercow would not be a good leader for the Labour party, and is a Tory at heart. My comment was if we can't have anyone good in power then we could at least have someone entertaining.
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Jun 21, 2021 16:12
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Having a tory in charge of the Labour party does seem like the next logical step after Starmer
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Jun 21, 2021 16:15
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https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1406947513857462276 alienating their entire voting base is fine because the home county nimby freaks will surely vote Labour
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Jun 21, 2021 16:39
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Nice of Labour to pay for Lib Dem’s new advertising campaign.
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Jun 21, 2021 16:41
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kecske posted:try Kokeb next time, 5 minutes from the cally road tube station. Yeah Kokeb is great. Ethiopian food is awesome, lots of Ethiopian restaurants in London too
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Jun 21, 2021 16:43
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ThomasPaine posted:if that could be nationalised I agree but I think we're talking about different points here. I'm not saying destroy amazon's infrastructure. I'm saying political capital can be easily wasted on the wrong part of these problems. Amazon can fight this fight, lose it, and have everyone think a big win has been achieved because now they're not throwing away as many pieces of slave made crap.
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Jun 21, 2021 16:58
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So, a project that I've been working on for a long time has finally launched - Momentum Community. I know a bunch of us on here joined Momentum's volunteer Slack during the election - well, that Slack actually kept going after the election. It slowed down a lot, but we are now relaunching it as the aforementioned Momentum Community. Basically the idea is to set up a space for both socialising and organising. Where we might run a phonebank or just talk about what was on TV last night. Our big thing is that on Wednesday 23 June at 7pm we are running an AMA with Jon Trickett. We hope to do more of these in future, but we're starting with Jon. Anyway, it would be super-great to have some pristine SA posting power on there. Tbh the atmosphere of the UKMT is very much an inspiration for what I'd like to do with MC. So come along! Just to be absolutely clear, you do not have to be either a member of Momentum or the Labour Party to join. You can sign up here: https://community.peoplesmomentum.com/, though if you signed up for the Volunteer Slack during the election your login should still work. If we get enough people I could be convinced to start a super-secret Goon channel just for us.
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Jun 21, 2021 17:14
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Lolll Graun commentator calling for the Lib Dems to literally disband now their guy is Labour leader I'm sure that'll go down well. 'they appeal to those who vaguely agree with Labour, but cannot quite vote that way.' I mean you aren't wrong, but funny how you didn't say that when Corbyn was leader, yeah?
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Jun 21, 2021 17:19
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Paperhouse posted:Question(s) about student loans that I thought you guys might be helpful with The way it can negatively impact is that if they decide you're ignoring them then they can decide you need to make fixed repayments of a few hundred quid a month and then get grumpy when you don't pay it. When I was overseas I'd send them a letter every year or two either saying this is where I am and here's proof of income or I'm overseas and not working so can't repay.
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Jun 21, 2021 17:23
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I think it's quite amusing* what's currently going on in Canada, given that the statue-shaggers in the UK have the full weight of the establishment behind them: https://twitter.com/OttawaCitizen/status/1406746214306025472?s=20 That's Canada's first prime minister and at least 4 statues of him have been taken own over the past couple of weeks. *Not actually amusing given the reason the statues are being removed - the remains of 215 children were found at a Canadian "Residential School" - a government-sponsored mandatory boarding school run by churches, where they took indigenous children away from their parents and forced them to speak English and integrate into white culture. It's estimated that 6000 indigenous children died in residential schools. The last one didn't close until 1997.
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Jun 21, 2021 17:25
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superliminal posted:https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1406947513857462276 That honestly looks like less of a street and more of a manor + stables & servants cottages lol. Very on brand lib dem advertisement.
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Jun 21, 2021 17:44
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feedmegin posted:Lolll Graun commentator calling for the Lib Dems to literally disband now their guy is Labour leader I'm sure that'll go down well. It's such a dumb idea, as soon as you think about it for more than 5 seconds. Labour and the Lib Dems honestly have very little in common, which is why they're separate parties in the 1st place and many (most?) Lib Dems tend to be closer to the Tories than Labour across a whole swathe of policy areas. It'd be a funny sort of Progressive Alliance where 1 of the 2 parties isn't actually progressive.
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superliminal posted:https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1406947513857462276 This is also quite funny where I live, considering the Labour Council is planning to give planning permission for developers to build on Green Belt land. I got an email from them saying (I paraphrase): "The Tories would build everywhere, but we only want to put 9% of our new homes on the Green Belt." The same council who asked National Rail to build a new train line and station to connect to a brand new housing development and then hosed up the contracts for the development to the point that the station's been open I think 2 years now and they still haven't built a single house/flat/shack on the land.
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