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Wark Say posted:For real, though: I missed it. What are you Talking about? Is this’ll in a boss katana artist?
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Jun 11, 2021 19:22
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Boss sells an extension cabinet for the Katana with two 12" speakers.
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Jun 11, 2021 20:36
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Kvlt! posted:You don't need SS for apartment playing. I live in an apartment and play all my tube heads ranging from 5-100 Watts. Just need a good attenuator. What attenuators do you own and recommend? I’ve look at: Captor X Boss TAE Bugera PowerSoak Can’t make up my mind
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Jun 11, 2021 20:57
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Weber Mass, or any Weber attenuator is what I use. You want one that actually has a load. Avoid "volume pot in the FX loop" stuff like Little Black Box unless you want a lovely attenuator-like thing for ultra cheap.
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Jun 11, 2021 21:27
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Captain Apollo posted:I missed it. What are you Talking about? Is this’ll in a boss katana artist?
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Jun 11, 2021 22:00
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Picked this up last weekend, finally got a power supply of the right voltage/amperage/plug and thankfully it works. Clearance at the pawnshop, originally priced at $390, I'm in it for $175 including power supply.  Now to find that box of old tubes and see what's junk.
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Jun 11, 2021 23:49
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betterinsodapop posted:If I was looking to buy a small gig/bedroom tube amp: So the origins looks pretty cool. But I’m so new to Marshall stuff. What sounds(bands/era) does the origin sound like, and the DSL? Can anybody give me a brief rundown on the bands that used these? Origin DSL JCM plexi (What else)
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Jun 14, 2021 05:20
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Captain Apollo posted:So the origins looks pretty cool. But I’m so new to Marshall stuff. What sounds(bands/era) does the origin sound like, and the DSL? Plexis are the quintessential 70's/early 80's Marshall sound, used by bands like Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, ZZ Top, early VH, etc. The SV20 is the modern 20W/5W plexi. The JCM800 is the quintessential 80's high gain sound, used by Slash, Kerry King, Dave Mustaine, Zakk Wylde, etc. However, it's a versatile amp and can do lower gain/cleans quite well. One big distinction vs. plexis is that the JCM has a master volume. The SC20 is the modern 20W/5W version. The Origin is meant to be a modern re-imagining of the early Marshall sound, so it's closer in sound to a Plexi. It's great for home use due to the attenuation settings - the 20W also has 3W and .5W settings - and the master volume. It reportedly won't do high gain unless the volume is cranked or it gets juiced with an OD pedal, but it's meant to be a great pedal platform. I'm not a Marshall historian, but I believe that the DSL is a descendant of the JCM series: JCM800->JCM900->JCM2000 Dual Super Lead (DSL)->DSL C series->DSL CR series. Unlike the others, it's a 2-channel amp: "classic gain" for cleans and crunch, "ultra gain" for hard rock/metal. The 40CR and 100HR effectively have four channels - the same 2 channels as the other models, with two modes each: clean and crunch on the "classic gain" channel, OD1 and OD2 on the "ultra gain" channel. The DSLs are the most modern and versatile Marshalls, doing everything well but not cloning the Plexi/JCM800 circuits like the more expensive SV20/SC20. All of the DSLs have half-wattage modes and a master volume.
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The plexi/super lead are the classic 60s Marshall’s that distorted only when played so loud that the phase inverter started breaking up. The sound completely badass and are completely unusable volume wise outside of Woodstock. Some people call this The Marshall Sound The JCM800 added a master volume to get distortion at slightly more reasonable volumes and is also completely badass, although due to the bright cap in its circuit it still needs to be turned up pretty dang loud or else it sounds kinda thin. Some people call this The Marshall Sound. The JCM900 is Marshall response to players modifying the 800 for higher gain (it doesent have as much as many people assume, metal players stick a boost in front of it) by making an amp that adds another gain stage. I’ve played both good and terrible 900s, they can sound kind of fizzy in the wrong circumstances. Pretty much no one calls this The Marshall Sound The JCM2000/DSL were the late 90s replacement for the 900 adding more tone options. They used to be really bad and blow up but after being around for 20 years Marshall has quietly updated the internals so they’re a decent mid price, well featured amp. The TSL was the sibling to the DSL with more features, more channels, worse tone, worse reliability. Now dead I believe. The mode four was Marshall’s attempt to go full nu metal with a solid state multichannel thing that was optimised for trouser flapping bass. It sucked but it’s matching cab was great. The JVM was Marshall’s 2010s line, another full featured multichannel amp but a smoother, more refined “modern” sounding amp, like a Friedman more than the rowdiness of an 800. I’ve never played the origin or Astoria line, plexi inspired I guess? The tl;dr every amp Marshall come out with claims to sound “as good as a JCM800/plexi but...” with varying degrees of success. They all pretty much do the same thing: have a big raspy KERRANG sound but some feel a bit looser, some tighter, some responding differently at volume thinner and so on. Listing all the bands that used them and the minute differences is pretty much impossible, particularly when you consider that bands mod them or tweak them all the time for their records. Marshalls just sound like Marshalls except for the bad ones which sound like poop. massive spider fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Jun 18, 2021 |
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Jun 15, 2021 08:10
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Let's stop beating around the bush: The best thing to come out of Marshall in the last quarter century was the AVT/Valvestate line.
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Jun 15, 2021 15:27
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My first amp with more beef than a practice amp was a Marshall Valvestate 8240. I've thought about picking one up on the cheap for old time sake, but I feel like it probably sounded good to my 16 year old years and would be kinda trash now compared to the gear I own. I did recently reacquire a Marshall Jackhammer and that thing rips.
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Jun 15, 2021 19:14
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Buddy I have bad news about Valvestate prices.
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Jun 15, 2021 20:06
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My first Marshall was an MG15 from the early 00's and it was so bad that it discouraged me from playing. Luckily, nearly two decades later, I have a DSL40CR and it does pretty much everything I want
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Jun 15, 2021 20:25
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Wark Say posted:Let's stop beating around the bush: The best thing to come out of Marshall in the last quarter century was the AVT/Valvestate line. Vs100's are great
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Jun 15, 2021 20:53
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Yeah, after Andy Sneap basically started doing his shill about them, they started becoming stupid expensive. But if you can find one for cheap (meaning 200-350 price range), they're surprisingly good. An old AVT50 from, like, 2002 or something (I bought it in 2004) has been basically my main writing tool for the last decade and a half before I went all in on the Yamaha THR line back in 2018-2019 (I have a 10X and a 10C). And I still pretty much use it almost exclusively for band practice because it's legit still loud as gently caress.
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Speaking of improbably competent solid state amps from the early 2000s, I recently hooked up an A/B pedal and did a comparison between my venerable Peavey Transtube Studio Pro and the Katana 50 Mk II. Both have pretty similar modes, with the Boss having an accoustic model, and the Peavey having two different clean voicings (modern/vintage). The clean tone on the peavey holds up, but the Katana utterly destroys it in all 3 higher gain modes, before you even get to the impressive collection of simulated drives. The peavey sounds muddy compared to the katana, which sounds way more tight and articulate, and the Peavey is really loving noisy without a noise gate, whereas the katana is dead quiet on the higher gain modes even without the built in gate enabled. Both amps are great in that you can dial in a sound in 5 seconds and just play, but the katana just does it better. Then when you add the option to chuck a DS-1/BD-2/MUFF/HM-2 in front or just throw a delay on there with the twist of a knob, a cab emulated line/headphone out and the variable wattage, it's no contest. So the peavey now lives with my niece, who recently discovered grunge. Those katanas really are something special. Also if you haven't hosed around with the app, do so, there's a lot of cool poo poo buried in there. Don Dongington fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Jun 16, 2021 |
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Jun 16, 2021 15:20
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Great post to lead into this question: My katana head just showed up, what do I need to mess with on the computer to make it better? There's secret amps in there right? I'm looking for a clean JC type tone, an Orange stoner metal type tone, a Marshall death metal high gain tone, and idk what else. I know & love the boss pedal line... but also wanna stack like a blues driver into a muff and it seems like I can do one or the other in Tone Studio? hmph.
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Jun 17, 2021 02:56
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No secret amps on my 50 as far as I remember, like on the Vox ADIO etc, but there are tonnes of stomp boxes and effects that aren't available from the panel without the app. Boss tone studio is the app, on Win 10 it should install the drivers automatically when you plug in the USB cable and turn it on.
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There's secret amps!!! https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=20630.0 I think this should just work in the Mk1, in the MK2 you need to split the files. Its a little harder to find the split file but its out there so I didn't bother to upload mine but PM or something if anyone wants it. If you have an older FW mk1 you have Orange and Bogner models that everyone else lost but you need 3rd party software to get them (idk about this I'm just using tone studio livesets). Having a lot of fun with these. Lots of samey sounds but a couple stand outs (1959 1+2, a couple of the crunches, I just generally like Mesa models but I was vibing on the rectos).
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Jun 20, 2021 05:10
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JamesKPolk posted:There's secret amps!!!
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Hello y'all I've found myself playing Bass VI as a baritone guitar and really would like to look at a guitar rig. In rehearsal I'm playing thru a friend's 69 Bandmaster head into a Mesa 412 cab, with treble and bass at 0 to get as much midrange back. Ideally I'd like a 2x12 cab that's angled so I can stack the speakers vertically, but I'm trying to find a good amp head. I usually tend to run my amp clean and use pedals for dirt/fuzz but I've been experimenting with running it a little hotter. A mid knob is necessary for the amp because I'll most likely keep it dimed. I had the Fender Hot Rod 12 years ago but sold it to my Dad since I did not need a guitar amp at that time, I've been looking at their 212 combo but for the sake of packing I think the amp/cab pair is the way to go. What do you got for me goons? Let's say budget is 1k.
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Old Fender tube amps like that Bandmaster have decent low end when run through a bass cab, if you don't need a really tight aggressive downtuned kind of thing. Something like an old silverface Bassman and an efficient bass cab would probably make a pretty good baritone guitar amp. Maybe an eq or a mid-heavy drive pedal in front? I tend to like my Fenders with the eq knobs on 10 and do any eq in front of the amp. Could get more mids doing the same thing with an EL34 amp, maybe an old Laney or something. An AOR head should be cheap and has assloads of mids.
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Jun 27, 2021 06:20
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Gorgar posted:Old Fender tube amps like that Bandmaster have decent low end when run through a bass cab, if you don't need a really tight aggressive downtuned kind of thing. Something like an old silverface Bassman and an efficient bass cab would probably make a pretty good baritone guitar amp. Maybe an eq or a mid-heavy drive pedal in front? I tend to like my Fenders with the eq knobs on 10 and do any eq in front of the amp. I get where you're coming from but after much trial and error, the VI sounds best when I play it thru a guitar cab. I use the strangle/low cut switch to shelve all the super low freqs. I already have an EQ pedal in my chain but I have thought about upgrading to a better one.
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Have definitely had the same thing about guitar speakers instead of bass speakers for baritone. I've been using an Eastman Sidejack bari (B-b) as my main instrument for a bit now, and it sounds like God through my late '70s Fender Super Six Reverb (basically a Twin with six 10" speakers, often cited as an example of the worst excesses of the CBS era). Now if I could only find a way to get it out of the house...
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I'm definitely coming from another direction, then. I run most of my guitar amps with bass cabs no matter what I'm playing through them. Haven't really connected much with my own baritone but I tend to run it through an Orange Thunderverb for maximum beefiness.
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After The War posted:late '70s Fender Super Six Reverb Thank you! this is the amp the guitarist (and long-ago best friend) in my high school garage band had, and now I know what it is!
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Jun 27, 2021 21:38
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Gorgar posted:I'm definitely coming from another direction, then. I run most of my guitar amps with bass cabs no matter what I'm playing through them. When I played it through a bass cab it just muddied up the sound and really got in the way of the bass player unless I played exclusively above the 12th fret
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Jun 27, 2021 22:38
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Noise Machine posted:When I played it through a bass cab it just muddied up the sound and really got in the way of the bass player unless I played exclusively above the 12th fret yeah, as a bass player who's played with a bass VI player this is veeery easy to do; i appreciate you for considering the bass player. i perma-loaned homie a graphic eq, and told him to eradicate everything below approx 80hz. guitar through a bass amp rules because you don't really have access to the bass's zone (unless you're playing extended range), the bass vi runs into a lot of issues playing with other people because it covers such a broad spectrum of frequencies.
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After The War posted:Have definitely had the same thing about guitar speakers instead of bass speakers for baritone. I've been using an Eastman Sidejack bari (B-b) as my main instrument for a bit now, and it sounds like God through my late '70s Fender Super Six Reverb (basically a Twin with six 10" speakers, often cited as an example of the worst excesses of the CBS era). I wish I had a baritone for my super six, right now I've got a jazzmaster which is close.
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Thinking about the Marshall Origin 50 watt amp... Or a Quilter. Mentally I know Solid State amps are fine, but emotionally I still want those overtones to saturate the good ol' fashioned way, but the idea of having 200w of pure clean headroom are certainly appealing.
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Noise Machine posted:Thinking about the Marshall Origin 50 watt amp... 50 watts of all tube power brother? Thats alot of meat!
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All depends on the drummer and the room. All the guitarists hearing drumsets up close for the first time in a year and a half (myself included) are in for quite the reminder of how loud those bastards get, especially in a small room. I know even once we start playing out again, it probably won't be in venues with yer fancy "moneeetors" and "sownguys."
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After The War posted:All depends on the drummer and the room. All the guitarists hearing drumsets up close for the first time in a year and a half (myself included) are in for quite the reminder of how loud those bastards get, especially in a small room. My supro is a mere 5 watts and its loud as poo poo
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epic 2012 username posted:My supro is a mere 5 watts and its loud as poo poo my bass player plays with a 200 watt all tube Orange head into an Ampeg 410, so I have to be at least slightly competitive
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It's all relative. My 12 watt Princeton hits "eviction volume" at home on 3, but the few times I've tried it with live drums, it might as well have been a fart in a hurricane, even wide open at 10-10-10.
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After The War posted:It's all relative. My 12 watt Princeton hits "eviction volume" at home on 3, but the few times I've tried it with live drums, it might as well have been a fart in a hurricane, even wide open at 10-10-10. sounds like you need a new drummer
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Picked up a Blackstar Studio 10 (6L6 version) on Friday and I'm really enjoying it. I'm in an apartment so I can't exactly crank it but I can still play around with the master volume to get some nice driven sounds at manageable levels, or hit it with overdrive/fuzz pedals. Plus I can dial it in to that sweet spot where it's mostly clean unless you really dig in. Speaker seems decent enough but I really wanted to try upgrading it so I ordered a Neo Creamback and I can't wait to try it out.
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I had my amplifier epiphany today after buying a tube amp to play my first expensive guitar through. I've owned a couple of Squiers, an Epiphone, a Gretsch Streamliner, and a Danelectro -- all played through an inexpensive modeling amp, none of them *quite* right, until I sold everything off to buy a Ric and a Vox AC10. I've still got the Epi ES-339 Pro in its case in the corner, because I promised to my sister, who is in love with it, but hasn't quite yet scrounged up the price we agreed to. Today, I plugged it into the Vox for shits and giggles ... and Oh. My. God ... With the coils tapped, it jangles and chimes and shimmers beautifully. It's not a Ric -- but then again, what is? -- however, it sounds AMAZING through that amp. In full humbucker mode, it sounds like the trumpets announcing the second coming! For anyone on the fence about stepping up to a tube amp, or chasing the "missing element" of tone, I can only say get some TUBES into your life right now!
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