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Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

Josh Christ posted:

did you actually read the v-tube thread post because it wasnt genocide denial, it was about how a state would deal with the subject not "lol tiananmen dont real" fuckin r word

lmao ya alright there bud?

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Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

the term tankie originally referred to supporters of soviet intervention in czechoslovakia, but now those who cheer on american tank columns driving through eastern europe on saber-rattling maneuvers call leftists "tankies" for thinking that's not good. the world is a messed up place

feels like there was a missed opportunity to modernize it to connect it to Tiananmen, but the usual china watcher types aren't even clever enough to do that

Agrajag posted:

equating dumb gamer poo poo people post as owns in games to real life normal non-terminally online people is quite the leap

the only people who use that hackneyed meme as a political own are terminally online gamer-adjacent dweebs

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe

Hot Karl Marx posted:

So are tankies now just anyone left of liberals?

Tankies are people who make you feel insecure in your leftist/progressive credentials. They might read a little more than you, be a little more media literate than you are, have a bit more world experience. You don't always understand why they support what they support or oppose what they oppose, but sometimes they support what you oppose or oppose what you support and there has to be something, anything you can use to pull rank. Leftists should feel powerless and alienated, and anyone who feels otherwise connected to an international movement, especially if they share sympathies with AES, should be looked on with suspicion because they're going to try to convince you to care about something, and you're too drat smart to fall for that.

gradenko_2000 posted:

every day we grow closer to someone saying "tankie" on the floor of the US Congress

Marco Rubio

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

"tankie" refers to people who enthusiastically keep fish as pets.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

One of marco rubio's bastard children will call pelosi a tankie on the floor of congress.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

"tankie" refers to people who enthusiastically keep fish as pets.

a "tankie" is someone who wants their sports team to lose aka "tank" in order to receive a better draft pick next season

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1406972084216025092

quote:

The financial firms were also instructed to go through their systems to investigate and identify customers with accounts at virtual-currency exchanges or that trade cryptocurrencies in the over-the-counter market. In such cases, the institutions have to cut off the accounts’ ability to send or receive money for transactions, the central bank said.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Thank you, president Xi.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
is there a way to nuke bitcoin?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

is there a way to nuke bitcoin?

offline X% of miners between blocks

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

"tankie" refers to people who enthusiastically keep fish as pets.

what about reptile fans?

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

is there a way to nuke bitcoin?

turn off the internet

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
My tankie is right

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/StollmeyerEU/status/1407037403181862913?s=20

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Atrocious Joe posted:

what about reptile fans?

Because reptile homes aren't holding liquid they cease to be "tanks" and become terrariums.

https://twitter.com/ejknoodles/status/1406838418231943169?s=20

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Because reptile homes aren't holding liquid they cease to be "tanks" and become terrariums.

this is turtle erasure

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Because reptile homes aren't holding liquid they cease to be "tanks" and become terrariums.

https://twitter.com/ejknoodles/status/1406838418231943169?s=20

kim was right, yet again

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Because reptile homes aren't holding liquid they cease to be "tanks" and become terrariums.

https://twitter.com/ejknoodles/status/1406838418231943169?s=20

dude/ttes rock

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Marshal Kim save Korea

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

It's a miracle anybody wants to become Korean by choice, don't scold them for it.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Grevling posted:

It's a miracle anybody wants to become Korean by choice, don't scold them for it.

Beauty standards are usually defined by some kind of clear imposition of power in cultural exchanges, like Europeans seem more "attractive" only because they ruled the world for a good hundred years+. For South Korean soft power to be so potent that white guys are starting to take Koreanization surgeries is a testament to their growing cultural hegemony.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Somewhere there's a surgeon making a killing taking epicanthal folds from Asian people who want to look white and sewing them on to white people who want to look Asian.

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit. In that transfusion of blood which drains the good to feed the evil, the compromise is the transmitting rubber tube.

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

"tankie" refers to people who enthusiastically keep fish as pets.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Because reptile homes aren't holding liquid they cease to be "tanks" and become terrariums.

the virgin tankie vs the chad terrariorist

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

you all ready for the global day of action to call for boycotts of the 2022 olympics
https://twitter.com/freetibetorg/status/1405525746630594561?s=20
https://twitter.com/UyghurCongress/status/1405113632070025217?s=20

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
milktea alliance is real and strong and my friend

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
I want to see China's hockey team play Canada's though

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



https://www.newsweek.com/americas-greatest-danger-isnt-china-its-ourselves-opinion-1602681

lol loving newsweek making the 80s anti-japanese xenophobia from the US one of the points in this article like a week after someone from here brought it up. Reveal yourself robert reich

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
wait charlie kirk writes for newsweek lol

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

AnimeIsTrash posted:

How did the word tankie get so popular suddenly? Youtube/twitch debate people?

Maybe it is because I wasn't as online a couple of years ago but it seems like everyone uses that term now.

ted hitler hunter posted:

You start out in 1947 by saying, “socialist, socialist, socialist.” By 2016 you can’t say “socialist”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, authoritarianism, human rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about opposing sending tanks into Hungary to crush resistance to Soviet communism in 1968, and all these things you’re talking about are totally theoretical things and a byproduct of them is, socialists get hurt worse than other leftists.… “We oppose tankies this,” is much more abstract than even the human rights thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “socialist, socialist.”

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


image text goes here
chomsky also has a long and disgusting history of genocide denial and the china defenders in this thread (and presumably CSPAM but I don't go there) closely follow that playbook. raise doubts about impartiality, distort statements and motives, outright lie if necessary - but only about your targets (the vague specter of "neoliberalism" or "imperialism" - they're interchangeable depending on what crowd you find yourself in). never apply the same scrutiny to statements of the perpetrators of genocide and above all never engage with the evidence on its own merits. (particularly appalling in the case of bellingcat whose evidence is always, by definition, readily available to anyone with an internet connection and can be verified more or less trivially.) you must always attack the source by any means necessary, even - perhaps especially - if that means fundamentally undermining trust in us NGOs and media institutions.

the fact that this strategy is exactly the same as that used by domestic right-wing extremists and foreign authoritarians does not seem to occur to these people, nor does it appear to bother them that when open, transparent sources are all discredited they must rely on increasingly fringe sources like grayzone, globalresearch, or just straight up sputnik. presumably they believe that they hold a monopoly on truth and therefore do not need to subject themselves to information hygiene practices like questioning assumptions and critically assessing evidence without regard to source (this is also what the right-wingers believe but that does not occur to them either)

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Stringent posted:

us NGOs and media institutions.

lol

strange feelings re Daisy
Aug 2, 2000

https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1406971847795564548?s=20
I don't know why, but this response made me laugh real hard. It's like an absurdist FYAD post or something.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Stringent posted:

chomsky also has a long and disgusting history of genocide denial and the china defenders in this thread (and presumably CSPAM but I don't go there) closely follow that playbook. raise doubts about impartiality, distort statements and motives, outright lie if necessary - but only about your targets (the vague specter of "neoliberalism" or "imperialism" - they're interchangeable depending on what crowd you find yourself in). never apply the same scrutiny to statements of the perpetrators of genocide and above all never engage with the evidence on its own merits. (particularly appalling in the case of bellingcat whose evidence is always, by definition, readily available to anyone with an internet connection and can be verified more or less trivially.) you must always attack the source by any means necessary, even - perhaps especially - if that means fundamentally undermining trust in us NGOs and media institutions.

the fact that this strategy is exactly the same as that used by domestic right-wing extremists and foreign authoritarians does not seem to occur to these people, nor does it appear to bother them that when open, transparent sources are all discredited they must rely on increasingly fringe sources like grayzone, globalresearch, or just straight up sputnik. presumably they believe that they hold a monopoly on truth and therefore do not need to subject themselves to information hygiene practices like questioning assumptions and critically assessing evidence without regard to source (this is also what the right-wingers believe but that does not occur to them either)

this post really should be properly capitalized

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

Stringent posted:

chomsky also has a long and disgusting history of genocide denial and the china defenders in this thread (and presumably CSPAM but I don't go there) closely follow that playbook. raise doubts about impartiality, distort statements and motives, outright lie if necessary - but only about your targets (the vague specter of "neoliberalism" or "imperialism" - they're interchangeable depending on what crowd you find yourself in). never apply the same scrutiny to statements of the perpetrators of genocide and above all never engage with the evidence on its own merits. (particularly appalling in the case of bellingcat whose evidence is always, by definition, readily available to anyone with an internet connection and can be verified more or less trivially.) you must always attack the source by any means necessary, even - perhaps especially - if that means fundamentally undermining trust in us NGOs and media institutions.

the fact that this strategy is exactly the same as that used by domestic right-wing extremists and foreign authoritarians does not seem to occur to these people, nor does it appear to bother them that when open, transparent sources are all discredited they must rely on increasingly fringe sources like grayzone, globalresearch, or just straight up sputnik. presumably they believe that they hold a monopoly on truth and therefore do not need to subject themselves to information hygiene practices like questioning assumptions and critically assessing evidence without regard to source (this is also what the right-wingers believe but that does not occur to them either)

A big part of the problem is that the framework used to describe the media in Manufacturing Consent almost inevitably leads to genocide denial, because it argues that this type of propaganda is unique to the west, and conflates how widespread media coverage of an event is with how closely that coverage aligns with US imperialism while giving inherent credibility to outsider interpretations. Thus, when the US media widely covers bad things because they're inherently newsworthy, like the Rwandan genocide, the implication is that this coverage exists because the genocide narrative further the US agenda, and therefore cannot be trusted, and that outsider voices which argue otherwise and face pushback are credible because they face pushback. It's extremely toxic and you can see the brain poisoning happening in real time.

Or, in other words, its the absence of evidence is evidence taken to an absurd degree: if the Western media is covering something, then we can use this coverage to justify believing the opposite, regardless of outside facts or observable evidence. Now apply that model to something like Sandy Hook and feel horrified: that's what these people are doing, in real time.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Did anyone deny the Rwandan genocide other than Belgians?

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Did anyone deny the Rwandan genocide other than Belgians?

the clinton administration

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Did anyone deny the Rwandan genocide other than Belgians?

the french

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Beauty standards are usually defined by some kind of clear imposition of power in cultural exchanges, like Europeans seem more "attractive" only because they ruled the world for a good hundred years+. For South Korean soft power to be so potent that white guys are starting to take Koreanization surgeries is a testament to their growing cultural hegemony.

interestingly, the south koreans they're trying to emulate are themselves emulating whites

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Jun 14, 2021

strange feelings re Daisy posted:

https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1406971847795564548?s=20
I don't know why, but this response made me laugh real hard. It's like an absurdist FYAD post or something.

i thought they werent going to do shock testing on the new aircraft carrier. guess that decision was too stupid even for the navy.

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